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Title: Do you play CDs on your computer?
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 01:11:58 PM
Read this (http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html) and be amazed!
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Post by: Toxteth on November 01, 2005, 01:49:32 PM
Amazing! :o
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Post by: Dewey on November 01, 2005, 01:50:38 PM
scarey!
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Post by: suicidal_monkey on November 01, 2005, 02:08:35 PM
:ranting:

1-2% of CPU? Shoddily written, undisclosed, system-affecting software with no means provided for removal. Hmmm. I wonder if the other record labels have similar stuff!

Now, what was that about rootkits again?
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Post by: scot on November 02, 2005, 12:14:31 PM
:ph34r:  It scares me when i think of the labels that sony own, colombia bmg epic etc then the minor labels ran by these companys like illustrious records (owned by epic) deconstruction < well known for dance music (or it used to be wen i was a lad) owned by bmg :sad:   It go's on and on! It must be like pyramid stealth installations. I will feel safer with limewire than a bought cd.
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Post by: suicidal_monkey on November 02, 2005, 12:47:26 PM
Ways round it...
MacOSX
Linux
(do not do this next one though ;) ) Bittorrent (remember that as someone commented under that blog "buying the cd then downloading the tracks off p2p/bittorrent" still technically illegal so don't do it)

DRM on individual legal music downloads/purchases would appear to be a better option, so I guess buying mp3s is the way of the future - only with you could access the uncompressed music when buying online...
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Post by: Maus on November 02, 2005, 02:11:49 PM
I just rip them straight to MP3 before I even play them on a regular CD player, generally. It's much more convenient to have all my music sitting on my HD anyway, really.
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Post by: suicidal_monkey on November 02, 2005, 04:07:36 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Maus@Nov 2 2005, 03:11 PM
I just rip them straight to MP3 before I even play them on a regular CD player, generally. It's much more convenient to have all my music sitting on my HD anyway, really.
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:withstupid:

Perhaps if they started to release CDs with a PC-readable folder containing pre-ripped mp3 files. That way the record label can put DRM tags onto the mp3 files, and the artists/labels can provide music with a pre-defined quality setting depending on disc-space available. Save us the hassle of ripping to mp3, support the digital movement which is getting big, avoid OS platform issues (hopefully)...
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Post by: suicidal_monkey on November 02, 2005, 05:11:33 PM
oh, just wanted to add in an interesting read on related subject matter here:

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html)
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Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2005, 05:19:29 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by suicidal_monkey@Nov 2 2005, 05:11 PM
oh, just wanted to add in an interesting read on related subject matter here:

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html)
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She doesn't pull any punches does she :)
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Post by: Doris on November 02, 2005, 10:39:47 PM
its all far too technical for me  :blink:
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Post by: delanvital on November 03, 2005, 08:20:55 AM
Both are interesting reads.
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Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2005, 12:57:38 PM
Sony have capitulated.

Full story here (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27416)
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Post by: suicidal_monkey on November 03, 2005, 01:21:42 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Nov 3 2005, 01:57 PM
Sony have capitulated.

Full story here (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27416)
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I read elsewhere (bbc, the register) that what sont/xpc have releeased is a kit to uncloak the rootkit/DRMsoftware, but that to remove it you still have to contact them for help. As the register's article says (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/03/sony_rootkit_drm/) "And with this level of apathy, the music giants will be emboldened to try these techniques again. And again. And again."
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Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2005, 11:01:45 AM
Scarey!

Hackers have found a use for the Sony software already, could this be sthe start of WoW becoming infested with cheaters?

link (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/04/secfocus_wow_bot/)
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Post by: suicidal_monkey on November 04, 2005, 12:44:33 PM
more...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4406178.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4406178.stm)
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Post by: Apoc on November 11, 2005, 08:05:45 AM
I guess some people were really unhappy about it
Sued (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_sued_for_rootkit/)
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Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2005, 10:41:20 AM
Not as unhappy as some other people are about to be:

malicious software uses Sony rootkit (http://news.com.com/Bot+for+Sony+CD+software+spotted+online/2100-1029_3-5944643.html?part=rss&tag=5944643&subj=news)
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Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2005, 09:20:03 AM
The saga continues as MS takes a stance:

http://news.com.com/Microsoft%20will%20wip...49041&subj=news (http://news.com.com/Microsoft%20will%20wipe%20Sonys%20rootkit/2100-1002_3-5949041.html?part=rss&tag=5949041&subj=news)
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Post by: Sn00ks on November 14, 2005, 01:35:31 PM
Does anyone actually admit to buying any of the CDs that were infected with the copy protection?

The list was un-inspiring to say the least and they are all in the US market.
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Post by: A Twig on November 14, 2005, 01:47:46 PM
Microsoft will take any chance to have a pop at Sony!  :D
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Post by: TeaLeaf on November 15, 2005, 11:30:55 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by A Twig@Nov 14 2005, 02:47 PM
Microsoft will take any chance to have a pop at Sony! :D
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...and have.  

MS will now include the rootkit as malware in their Malicious Software Removal Tool and have an automated removal procedure for it.  The update including the tool is due to be issued in December.  Read about it here (http://lifestyle.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=3911).

If MS get the tool wrong then look our for lots of people complaining about their CD drives not showing up in Explorer after removal of the rootkit  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

TL.
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Post by: A Twig on November 15, 2005, 05:00:22 PM
Ohhh, do we all get to sue Microsoft when that happens then!?!?!?  :D  :D  :D  :D
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Post by: suicidal_monkey on November 16, 2005, 08:27:26 AM
and then it got a little bit worse...
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27714 (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27714)
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Post by: delanvital on November 16, 2005, 10:15:05 AM
"Moral, if you bought Sony products, you are screwed. If it causes you problems, you are screwed more. If you uninstall, you are screwed yet harder. If you uninstall it yourself, you are a criminal under the DMCA. If you use an antivirus program to uninstall it, you spent money to fix Sony's problems, and you are still a criminal. That's what you get for buying music.µ"

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