Dead Men Walking

QuoteOriginally posted by mono_dna@Nov 16 2005, 12:48 PM
American History X
Chinese Box

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Chinese Box was great. Especially the scene with the friend playing that sad song on the guitar next to the main character, because he had realized the circumstances - and the main character himself didn't know his friend had figured it out. See it!

Edward Norton was great in American History X and Furlong did surprisingly well, when you think of the performance in Terminator 2 - imho.

QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@Nov 16 2005, 11:20 AM

The Usual Suspects
The Blues Brothers
Dr No
Leon
The Bourne Identity / Supremacy
Extreme Janine
Dusk till Dawn
Leaving Las Vegas
Caddyshack
Weekend at Bernies
Goodfellas

I can't count and some of those are shockers.

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Bloody hell Benny your not kidding!!!  :roflmao:  (just thought you'd appreciate myargumentitive reply?)

QuoteOriginally posted by delanvital@Nov 16 2005, 11:56 AM
Chinese Box was great. Especially the scene with the friend playing that sad song on the guitar next to the main character, because he had realized the circumstances - and the main character himself didn't know his friend had figured it out. See it!

Edward Norton was great in American History X and Furlong did surprisingly well, when you think of the performance in Terminator 2 - imho.

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Oh yeah American History X, classic film, neo-nazi sees the light and fights against racism *oh look theres a flying pig* what a superb pile of horse manure this film is...  :D  

*disclaimer: I am just trying to be argumentitive and keep Benny happy, I felt sorry for him after looking at his top 10 films and his endless references to his - Way of the Exploding fist double entendres...  :whistle:

QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Nov 16 2005, 11:35 AM
Dark Star - coz it's so bad its a classic
Star Wars Episode IV (A New Hope) - coz it's pure escapism
Blade Runner (Directors Cut) - Just Brilliant
Saving Private Ryan - incredibly powerful story
We Were Soldiers Once - Still makes me cry
Alien (first one the rest were rubbish) - excellent creepy movie
Being There - Peter Sellars at his best
the Italian job - Original not the remake
Indiana Jones (the first one) - a fun film in the classic sense
Legend - a great childrens/young adults film - enjoyed watching it with my daughter

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Blueball, Indiana Jones, We where soliders once but now we work in Safeways and Saving Private Ryan all top films *nods*  :)

(Owwww - a list - I love lists, we should have more of them!)

Anyway...

1] 'If...' - Lindsay Anderson - 1968
2] 'Shichinin no samurai' (The Seven Samurai) - Akira Kurosawa - 1954
3] 'Week End' - Jean-Luc Godard - 1967
4] 'Faust' - Jan Svankmajer - 1994
5] 'Apocalypse Now' (NOT the 'Director's Cut') - Francis Ford Coppola - 1979
6] 'Mulholland Dr.' - David Lynch - 2001
7] '2001: A Space Odyssey' - Stanley Kubrick - 1968 (REAL Science Fiction - unlike 'Star Wars')
8] 'The Night of the Hunter' - Charles Laughton - 1955
9] 'Lost in Translation' - Sofia Coppola - 2003
10] 'The Godfather' - Francis Ford Coppola - 1972

And there you go.

Benny before you starting wondering if Ranger has put some of those films up to appear arty or cultured... unfortunately he is a keen film buff (much like you are with porn)  :D

QuoteOriginally posted by Ranger@Nov 16 2005, 01:31 PM
7] '2001: A Space Odyssey' - Stanley Kubrick - 1968 (REAL Science Fiction - unlike 'Star Wars')

And there you go.

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I like Kubrick, especially movies like Barry Lyndon and The Shining. I can watch the 10 minute almost static intro to Once upon a time in the west with the cowboys doing as little as possible and cherish it as an excellent scene - but 2001, that movie is just too slooooow.... and now I know mono will explain to me why I am wrong :D

On another note: I am thrilled someone else enjoys Lost in Translation.

no particular order..

fight club
pulp fiction
donnie darko
the goonies
trainspotting
saving private ryan
speaking of kubrick, full metal jacket :)

can't think of 10...

See, isn't this more fun. Dingo please, you can do better than that....in the mean time,
http://www.screenselect.co.uk/product/deta...roduct_id=18450 (http://www.screenselect.co.uk/product/detail.html?product_id=18450)


Apocalypse Now, over-rated tripe in my opinion, too long, too boring.
Hamburger Hill was better, as was Platoon, but Full Metal Jacket would get my vote.

Oh and has anyone mentioned Goodfellas?

We should do this by genre, much more room for having an informed discussion then...(argument)

(I was only saying it to cause friction Dewey....I thought you'd have picked up my style by now ;) )

Oh, and edited to say ' The Goonies', go on Mamma Fratelli.

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(I was only saying it to cause friction Dewey....I thought you'd have picked up my style by now ;) )

Benny, I have mate, reread my messages whilst grinning inananely - sorry if you thought I was being serious - I wasn't  :dribble:

QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@Nov 16 2005, 01:09 PM
Apocalypse Now, over-rated tripe in my opinion, too long, too boring.
Hamburger Hill was better, as was Platoon, but Full Metal Jacket would get my vote.

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Oh no, no, Benny...

The trouble with 'Apocalypse Now' is people see it expecting a 'war movie' - AN is only a war movie in the same way as 'All Quiet on the Western Front' or 'Catch 22' is a 'war movie'...

They aren't. They are anti-war movies depicting the debasement of humanity.

'Full Metal Jacket' - conversly - IS a war movie (vainly masking itself as an 'anti war' movie).

Apocalypse is a masterpiece, is multi-layered, was made despite the star almost dying while making it (small side note) AND commented a lot more accurately on the absurdity of the Vietnam war, in much the same way as 'Catch 22' did about WWII.

Both movies were thought of as rather inaccesible by the mainstream audiences of their time, were misunderstood. BUT both movies were hailed by the veterans who served in these conflicts.

Full Metal Jacket is the 'Battle of the Bulge' of it's day. It was confused, often inaccurate, simplistic and shallow.

The trouble is the Coppola camp will always say that FMJ is crap, and the Kubrick camp will always say that AN is crap. They approach a similar subject from diametrically opposed direction ~ one seeking clarity though the surreal, and the attemping the 'hyper real'.

However, trying to attempt the 'hyper real' to portray war is always a slippery slope, as - as any veteren will tell you - no war movie ever comes close...

If you are after reality, the openning sequence in 'Saving Private Ryan' is probably the most admirred (and I personally 'like' 'La Battaglia di Algeri' - 'The Battle for Algiers', 1965 - as a complete movie which attempts 'reality').

(But as I say - I'm from the Coppala camp! LOL) ;)

Doth thoust sayest I'm shallow?  :D

In truth I didn't mind AN, didn't love it either. I get a little tired of the monologues to be honest. I like Charlie Sheen though, any man who survives his lifestyle is a god by me, read Jean Micheal Vincent too.

I'd like to hear your take on Black Hawk Down?

See the thing is here, you defend with aplomb and make it worth watching again, that's kinda refreshing, so...looking at your list, there's only two films under 5 years old. Is that a reflection on  modern film-making?

Also, being a shot in the dark, what did you think of Panic Room?


oh, and Dewey smells....

QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@Nov 16 2005, 03:45 PM
Doth thoust sayest I'm shallow? :D

In truth I didn't mind AN, didn't love it either. I get a little tired of the monologues to be honest. I like Charlie Sheen though, any man who survives his lifestyle is a god by me, read Jean Micheal Vincent too.

I'd like to hear your take on Black Hawk Down?

See the thing is here, you defend with aplomb and make it worth watching again, that's kinda refreshing, so...looking at your list, there's only two films under 5 years old. Is that a reflection on modern film-making?

Also, being a shot in the dark, what did you think of Panic Room?
oh, and Dewey smells....

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I smell lovely, you know I do.

Panic Room... your surely not referring to the film with Jodie Foster in are you?!! I though it was unimaginative, dull hollywood tripe. What did you think of it? It reminded me of Home Alone but for adults... I kept imagining that Jodie would start setting up cunning childish traps like put marbles on the stairs to slowly get rid of the burglars - alas it wasn't to be.

QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@Nov 16 2005, 02:45 PM
Doth thoust sayest I'm shallow? :D

In truth I didn't mind AN, didn't love it either. I get a little tired of the monologues to be honest. I like Charlie Sheen though, any man who survives his lifestyle is a god by me, read Jean Micheal Vincent too.

I'd like to hear your take on Black Hawk Down?

See the thing is here, you defend with aplomb and make it worth watching again, that's kinda refreshing, so...looking at your list, there's only two films under 5 years old. Is that a reflection on modern film-making?

Also, being a shot in the dark, what did you think of Panic Room?
oh, and Dewey smells....

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Nahhhh - you know what I mean :)

As I said in it - people tend to be in one of two camps about AN and FMJ.

Wasn't getting at you - I just could talk movies all day. I just happen - try as I might - to prefer AN. (Ironically I LIKE Full Metal Jacket as a 'movie' as opposed to a piece of cinema. Me and my mates used to have 'Vietnam nights' and FMJ was always the most popular.)

Do you know something - I haven't been able to bring myself to watch Black HAwk Down. I know that sounds daft, but I just know that I would get steamed if I watched it...

I know that's not very objective. But it's a due to a personal fault -

I'm either going to get mad because it's another 'How great the US Armed Forces are' - OR- ironically, I'll get steamed because I'll sympathise with the AMericans and cheer them on!

 - I can't explain it...But either way I will just get pissed off, so I deliberately haven't watched this movie. How bizzarre is that!

:)

I think - as you suggest - I do have a hang up about contemporary films. This has a lot to do with the Hollywood system, and the way a film has to follow a formula before it will be made...

There is no experimentation or taking of chances these days (which is why I prefer the 1960s in particular). Movie making these days is just accounting.

Films like 'Lost in Translation' are the exceptions that prove the rule - and this isn't a crack at Americans, as some of the finest cinema is American. It's Hollywood that has dumbed down US film-making, not Americans (you only have to look at some of the supurb American authors out there to know that Hollywood is playing it safe)...

...Now - funnily - I ENJOYED panic room! (Gasp!) - Yes, I am a movie snob - but sometimes I can turn off and just enjoy a movie as entertainment...

To probve the point - I was telling Dewey the other day I actually sat in front of the TV and watched 'HUDSON HAWK' and caught myself laughing at some of it! LOL

:)

I am a snob about cinema - I know I am, but that's because I know that Hollywood (and the British film industry - what's left of it) can both do a lot better than the prefab trash it's turning out at the moment.

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I really like BHD. Ok its follows a pretty similar theme to most US movies - ie aren't we great and other people bad but as a bit of entertainment I thought it really hooked you and by the time the film was finished I felt pretty exhausted (or was that Debby does dallas afterwards.... hmmm?) anyway it was good and was supposedly based on a real life.

Very occaisionally I get surprised by a good film which I wasn't expecting to be good ie The Forgetten, I like it when I don't have a clue whats going on until the end, I also found the bit where people where whisked up into the sky pretty scarey  :unsure: lame ending really but I enjoyed it.

I also liked 40 yr old virgin, mostly because I expected it to be crap and just laughed (along with everyone else in the cinema) from start to finish - great ending too  :D

Its good we all have such varied tastes, I've been opinionated in this thread, but I was trying to follow Benny's advice - honest he told me to be argumentative  :blush:

Don't sweat gents, you aren't upsetting me.

I thought you'd like Panic Room and the only reason I mentioned it was because of the director. A friend mentioned similar things and he enjoys intricacies like an impossible shot that is in there for no reason - a camera shot tracks through a room, through a mug handle and on, no reason, it just does and you don't realise until you think about it that the shot is impossible.

And yeah Dewey, I'm on your side, the movie is crap.

I do have Hudson Hawk on video somewhere, used to love it, the whistling timing was a great idea.

I though BHD was a good film, very intense, very enjoyable if that's the right word and I don't recollect it glorifying anything.

Now if we caould all agree that The Big Blue is the best cinematic outing on the big screen and Star Wars 1 is the most overhyped toss, along with xXx.....I've had to turn that off twice now,.....then everyone will be happy

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Now if we caould all agree that The Big Blue is the best cinematic outing on the big screen and Star Wars 1 is the most overhyped toss, along with xXx.....I've had to turn that off twice now,.....then everyone will be happy

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Well - I think everyone knows I thing the whole Star Wars thing is a complete load of horse poo! (I won't intellectualize this - it's just poo!)...

The Big Blue - Hmmmm, have you ever been to one of the iMAX cinemas? The BIg Blue would be cracking on one of these!

:)

Oooh, can I play?  In no particular order, mine would be:

• The Shawshank Redemption
• Goodfellas
• One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
• Se7en
• The Green Mile
• Schindler's List
• The Bridge on the River Kwai
• Pulp Fiction
• The Deer Hunter
• Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@Nov 16 2005, 04:30 PM
Don't sweat gents, you aren't upsetting me.

I thought you'd like Panic Room and the only reason I mentioned it was because of the director. A friend mentioned similar things and he enjoys intricacies like an impossible shot that is in there for no reason - a camera shot tracks through a room, through a mug handle and on, no reason, it just does and you don't realise until you think about it that the shot is impossible.

And yeah Dewey, I'm on your side, the movie is crap.

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Damn, though you do have a point, technically very good. Now I remember, there where some amazing shots as the camera went through walls etc, I often wonder how they do stuff like that.

To me the new star wars films have lost the comedy/fun/warmth/charm of the original 3. I actually gave a toss about Han solo being frozen, I wanted Liea to get her kit of and shag her brother, I liked chewey, I wanted the rebels to repel the evil empire. But the last 3 films I didn't give a toss about the one dimensional characters who seem void of a personality. Anakin was truly dire and wooden, and I so wanted to like it. I wonder if its because of my age, I was like 7 when I went to see Star Wars with my dad and it blew me away - the new ones just leave me cold.

QuoteOriginally posted by Cadaver@Nov 16 2005, 04:19 PM
Oooh, can I play? In no particular order, mine would be:

• The Shawshank Redemption


• Goodfellas


• One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest


• Se7en


• The Green Mile


• Schindler's List


• The Bridge on the River Kwai


• Pulp Fiction


• The Deer Hunter


• Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

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Awwwwww - 'Shawshank Redemption' - excellent. If it had been the top 11 I would have had that in! (See Hollywood can occassionally make a good film...However I only think it got made because it was a Stephen King = 'Ker-ching!').

Have I missed something here?

Looks very interesting - in places almost intelligent. Think I'll find another thread...

Oh damn, Pulp fiction I forgot that one, that would definitely have to go in my top 10 - genre defining film.

Oh and Lord of the rings was also epic and entertaining. Ahh too many good films.

The first Lord of the Rings was Homo-erotic pap. THe second, the same, the third...you get my gist.

I reckon they could have made two good films and left the one Hobbit Love in as another specialist film.

Top Gun, now there's a mans film. Sorry double posted, had to put something.

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Top Gun, now there's a mans film. Sorry double posted, had to put something.

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Then you should have put in something homo erotic like the first post, oh sorry you did, Tom Cruise....he'd make a good Hobbit eh? ;)  <_<

1. Scarface

2. Green Mile

3. Godfather

4. Saw

5. Pulp Fiction

6. Green Street Holigans

7. Last Samurai

8. Once upon time in the West

9. Matrix

10. Saving private Ryan

this is my top 10...but there are more good movies... :rolleyes:

-Rocky
-Rambo
-Matrix
-Top Gun
-Rain Man
-Shawshank Redemption
-Saving Private Ryan
-Enemy At The Gates
-Million Dollar Baby -replaced by - Tomas Crowning Affair (very smart)
-Terminator 1 - replaced by - 007 (how can this not be included!)
EDIT: Some movies i cant think of but if i do think of the names i will post em up

Doris Doris Doris, you mean 'Shaving Ryans Privates' it's not the same film.

But....Rocky, good shout, Million Dollar Baby? even the title makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a rusty ferret dipped in TCP.

(I think you'll find that is a meta-ilile, Suicidal?)

i was thinking about the children...  they may never see rocky..  so this is the equivilant (million dollar baby, not shaving ryans privates)

Ooh, I just saw Van Wilder a couple of days ago... Now THAT'S a classic already  :P

Yes, it's more farty than arty but sometimes that's exactly what's needed  :lmfao:


Regarding Apocalypse now, I have to agree with Ranger. I don't see it as a war movie as such. If you go to a theater expecting bullets flying around your head and a lot of explosions, then of course you're going to be disappointed. The movie's not about the fighting itself, but what an extreme war can do to people. It becomes a lifestyle for some, that they can't let go off. Just like Ranger and BF2  ;)

The same thing goes for 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's not a laser-gun-fighting-space-explosions movie with all sorts of weird creatures like Star Wars. It's about a journey that takes place in space. About the evolution of man and mankind. The movie makes more sense if you read the book.

It's actually a pity that 2010 (The sequel) wasn't as big budget as 2001, because the story is really great. But the movie really struggles to bring Mr. Clarke's ideas to life.

EDIT: Oh, and btw: I happen to dig Star Wars!!!

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Ooh, I just saw Van Wilder a couple of days ago... Now THAT'S a classic already :P

Yes, it's more farty than arty but sometimes that's exactly what's needed :lmfao:
Regarding Apocalypse now, I have to agree with Ranger. I don't see it as a war movie as such. If you go to a theater expecting bullets flying around your head and a lot of explosions, then of course you're going to be disappointed. The movie's not about the fighting itself, but what an extreme war can do to people. It becomes a lifestyle for some, that they can't let go off. Just like Ranger and BF2 ;)

The same thing goes for 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's not a laser-gun-fighting-space-explosions movie with all sorts of weird creatures like Star Wars. It's about a journey that takes place in space. About the evolution of man and mankind. The movie makes more sense if you read the book.

It's actually a pity that 2010 (The sequel) wasn't as big budget as 2001, because the story is really great. But the movie really struggles to bring Mr. Clarke's ideas to life.

EDIT: Oh, and btw: I happen to dig Star Wars!!!

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Van The Man... yeah more farty than arty... but funny movie. Yeah, sometimes you just need a solid dose of that. Anchor Man is excellent at that.

2001: I knew you were coming after me there. Still, one word: too slow. And - isn't it bad sign for a movie that you should read the book in advance to understand/appreciate it? ;)

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Van The Man... yeah more farty than arty... but funny movie. Yeah, sometimes you just need a solid dose of that. Anchor Man is excellent at that.

2001: I knew you were coming after me there. Still, one word: too slow. And - isn't it bad sign for a movie that you should read the book in advance to understand/appreciate it? ;)

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It's not too slow, you impatient MTV-generationalized... guy... Evolution IS slow  ;)

I think the movie is sufficient in itself, but the book still gives details you weren't picking up in the movie. Character background and such... If the movies was to incorporate everything from the book, it would triple the running time, and imagine how much you would moan then  :whistle:

Oh, and you don't have to read the book in advance - you can just as well read the book afterwards and still add to the experience...  :narnar:

These were some of my considerations for a grade of 10, i.e. my top films. Some really good ones there, but for various reasons they just didn't make it:

(in no particular order, and selected for all kinds of reasons):

Cube (1997)
Donnie Darko (2001)
Forrest Gump (1994)    
Groundhog Day (1993)    
The Truman Show (1998)    
Pulp Fiction (1994)    
Salmer fra kjøkkenet (2003)    
The Matrix (1999)    
Memento (2000)    
12 Angry Men (1957)
Amadeus (1984)    
American Beauty (1999)
Alien (1979)
The Big Lebowski (1998)
Blinkende lygter (2000) (well acted, slightly surreal danish flick)
Boot, Das (1981)    
Chinese Box (1997)    
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
Dead Man (1995)
Die Hard (1988)    
Edward Scissorhands (1990)    
The Emperor's New Groove (2000) (being a sucker for comics it is incredibly funny!)
Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Le (2001)    
FlÃ¥klypa Grand Prix (1975)    
Metropolis (1927)    
Misery (1990)    
Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (1922)
O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000)    
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)    
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)    
Raising Arizona (1987)    
Road to Perdition (2002)    
Shichinin no samurai (1954)    
The Shining (1980)    
Solyaris (1972)    
Thirteen Days (2000)    
Top Secret! (1984)
Unagi (1997)    
Unforgiven (1992)    
Vita è bella, La (1997)

And yes, I do enjoy most of then Coen Bros. films :)

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It's not too slow, you impatient MTV-generationalized... guy... Evolution IS slow ;)

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How dare you, you... dumb... guy!