While playing BF2, you often come across the same scenario - you spot an enemy, go prone and open fire, and then its a mixture of skill, reactions, your weapon accuracy, damage and recoil and a bit of luck as to whether you come out on top of the encounter.
Last night while playing on Karkand I began wondering if I could improve my accuracy.
At the moment I use the left mouse button to fire and obviously to aim. The downside of using the mouse for both shooting and movement/sighting is that when you press fire you move the mouse slightly and can move your curser off target, you then have to resight the sight over your target before beginning to fire again - I appreciate this all happens in tenths of seconds.
So would your accuracy and therefore kill rate improve if I switched the firing button to say my Nostromo?
My thinking is this should allow me to keep the sights over the enemy, shoot and then once the recoil of the weapon has gone, be bang on my target again and shoot them, without the need to make minor corrections with the mouse.
I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on this, has anyone else tried it?
Sounds like an idea worth testing. Only catch is, I often move in between the periods of fire. Burst, move, burst move... etc...
QuoteOriginally posted by delanvital@Dec 19 2005, 11:09 AM
Sounds like an idea worth testing. Only catch is, I often move in between the periods of fire. Burst, move, burst move... etc...
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Interesting Delanvital, as I mostly use single shot for anything but close up battles ie, if I'm moving around buildings etc I'm set too full or burst. If I can see a down a road ie on some parts of the map on Karkand I use single shot.
Delanvital, bearing in mind how accurate a lot of the dMw guys are, don't you find you get shot while moving? Do you mean you kill people before moving, or shoot at them, move regardless of whether they are shot and shoot at them again etc?
assuming the mouse movement (I agree there might be a little) is picked up afer the button press you're probably just adding to the recoil effects the game introduces where after firing a shot your aim may have been shifted slightly by the computer to simulate recoil. I suppose it's all a matter of what you're used to. The only gun I'd be tempted to use a firing key off the mouse would perhaps be the sniper.
Another method would be to click softer ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by suicidal_monkey@Dec 19 2005, 11:18 AM
assuming the mouse movement (I agree there might be a little) is picked up afer the button press you're probably just adding to the recoil effects the game introduces where after firing a shot your aim may have been shifted slightly by the computer to simulate recoil. I suppose it's all a matter of what you're used to. The only gun I'd be tempted to use a firing key off the mouse would perhaps be the sniper.
Another method would be to click softer ;)
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I think I need to test it. As you say, at the moment I'm not sure if the curser moving off a target is down to me slightly moving the mouse when tapping the fire button or simulated recoil - it may be a mixture of both, in which case its still worth trying.
The only downside is I can see me getting annoyed initially pressing the wrong button, though obviosly I could still have the mouse as a firing button and just assign another to my Nostromo.
Ok, if I'm a poor shot tonight its because I'm performing this worthy experiment :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Dec 19 2005, 12:13 PM
Interesting Delanvital, as I mostly use single shot for anything but close up battles ie, if I'm moving around buildings etc I'm set too full or burst. If I can see a down a road ie on some parts of the map on Karkand I use single shot.
Delanvital, bearing in mind how accurate a lot of the dMw guys are, don't you find you get shot while moving? Do you mean you kill people before moving, or shoot at them, move regardless of whether they are shot and shoot at them again etc?
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I think I must clarify that. When doing duels (regardless of burst or single-shot) I often fire, then hide/move when enemy then opens fire, then fire again. Maybe not much. But it is sort of a habit. I try to coordinate it. So I am difficult to hit when they fire, and so on. It really doesn't matter if it is single shot or not. Sometimes I make them run out of ammo. But of course, this is only when there is something between me and the enemy I can hide behind.
Nothing is easier to fight, than one who stays in the same spot and shoots. Then I would aim for a crate to hide behind, find a good angle, and move out and attack, sometimes with the grenade launcher - because most people do stay in the same spot, so I visualize the angle in my head, strafe, fire, and move back. Armitage has figured my strafe technique out though. When I fire a grenade he normally runs towards me right after, but I always quickly switch to rifle with burst and change position afterwards - especially when it is him :D
Edit: It is also worth running, when being surprised. It is very difficult to hit someone who runs. You then get time, behind a crate or something, to reorientate. Arm has
Anyone of you seen the movie "Unforgiven"? It is not the fastest drawer who wins the duel, it is the one who can aim best...
I improved my shooting after starting to follow this procedure:
1. Relax, he is as stressed as you are.
2. Go prone if you have the time.
3. Take aim (use the iron sights).
4. Shoot (I use two or three round bursts).
5. Take aim again.
6. Shoot.
My point is: If you take a careful aim, even if you spend a half-second to do it, the odds are you'll get the other guy. At long range I use one shot at a time, at close range, I use burst.
I used to get killed three times for every kill I made. Now the score is around 1:1. The only thing I did was to use the iron sights (ALWAYS), and give myself a splitsecond of time to put the crosshairs on the opponents chest before I fire.
QuoteOriginally posted by CoolHand@Dec 19 2005, 01:39 PM
Anyone of you seen the movie "Unforgiven"? It is not the fastest drawer who wins the duel, it is the one who can aim best...
I improved my shooting after starting to follow this procedure:
1. Relax, he is as stressed as you are.
2. Go prone if you have the time.
3. Take aim (use the iron sights).
4. Shoot (I use two or three round bursts).
5. Take aim again.
6. Shoot.
My point is: If you take a careful aim, even if you spend a half-second to do it, the odds are you'll get the other guy. At long range I use one shot at a time, at close range, I use burst.
I used to get killed three times for every kill I made. Now the score is around 1:1. The only thing I did was to use the iron sights (ALWAYS), and give myself a splitsecond of time to put the crosshairs on the opponents chest before I fire.
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However all things being equal, its worth looking for things that give you a slight advantage.
Unfortunatley the reality is if you play quick players, you'll be dead before you get to 4 on that list.
It gets more difficult as you get older and the reality is our younger players ie teenagers/early 20's are going to be faster than us more mature players (OMG i'm mature - kinda).
*oh dear- can I say the phrase - "the reality is..." any more - what a twit :blush:
This whole topic makes me cry inside.
QuoteOriginally posted by Hippy@Dec 19 2005, 02:44 PM
This whole topic makes me cry inside.
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Why Hippy?
How can you consider using anything other than mouse button one to shoot?
Makes me feel dirty just thinking about it :P
QuoteOriginally posted by Hippy@Dec 19 2005, 03:21 PM
How can you consider using anything other than mouse button one to shoot?
Makes me feel dirty just thinking about it :P
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Nope, thats just wierd.
Looking forward to hearing the results of your 'Sirty Sanchez' test Dewey.
Hmmm thinks Pot Noodle for tea.
QuoteOriginally posted by Hippy@Dec 19 2005, 03:21 PM
How can you consider using anything other than mouse button one to shoot?
Makes me feel dirty just thinking about it :P
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I know I know, I feel the same way, but we have to push the frontiers of good taste and whats possible.
Please refer to my theory on drinking and playing BF2!
...I find my accuracy peaks after two pints then degenerates into complete inaccuracy after three or more!
:)
:beer:
(On a serious note - I really think age and quick reactions has more to do with first shot kills!)
Aiming for the head plays a big factor...:P
QuoteOriginally posted by Hippy@Dec 19 2005, 03:52 PM
Aiming for the head plays a big factor...:P
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Which begs the question, should you go prone when going man o man as your effectively giving your opponent an easy head shot as thats the only thing they can feasibly hit?
Shouldn't you just stay stood upright to present more of a target to your opponent? ie it will be more difficult for him to hit your head especially if you strafe a bit?
I ALWAYS aim for the head...
Unfortunately, after a few pints WHICH head do you go for???
:)
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Dec 19 2005, 04:37 PM
Which begs the question, should you go prone when going man o man as your effectively giving your opponent an easy head shot as thats the only thing they can feasibly hit?
Shouldn't you just stay stood upright to present more of a target to your opponent? ie it will be more difficult for him to hit your head especially if you strafe a bit?
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Wouldnt know about the 'to prone, or not to prone' thing. Although i did watch Doris play as sniper and it appeared to me that shooting the person the face while they were prone didnt get a headshot...
I play CoD2 and never use prone, it seems that you move slower but have to be still to shoot (not good) and its just as accurate to crouch and shoot...makes me wonder if crouching increases the accuracy at all.
Depending on the predictability of the recoil strafe to your hearts content in close quaters. In CZ it's important that you compensate for the recoil by pulling your aim down.
Do a strafe, stop, shoot at medium to long range.
Im probably the wrong person to comment as i dont like BF2...
I use prone to conceal myself.
As for being shot by younger kids, I have played my share on ranked servers, and the part where I give myself time to aim (click right button to bring up the iron sights), still gives me more kills than another tactic.
I also recommend shooting the enemy in the back. This minimises the risk of him/her shooting back!
As for the tactic initially proposed, I'll give it a try the next time I play. I seldom jump, so I think I'm going to use space for shooting. Don't worry, I won't bind the left button for jumping, because the big risk of raccidentally bunnyjumping...
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Edit: I still get shot a lot by the teenagers, but I'd rather get a 1:4 kill ratio than a 1:10.
QuoteOriginally posted by CoolHand@Dec 19 2005, 05:40 PM
I use prone to conceal myself.
As for being shot by younger kids, I have played my share on ranked servers, and the part where I give myself time to aim (click right button to bring up the iron sights), still gives me more kills than another tactic.
I also recommend shooting the enemy in the back. This minimises the risk of him/her shooting back!
As for the tactic initially proposed, I'll give it a try the next time I play. I seldom jump, so I think I'm going to use space for shooting. Don't worry, I won't bind the left button for jumping, because the big risk of raccidentally bunnyjumping...
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Agreed Coolhand, shooting them in the back is my preferred option too :)
Let us know how you get on with the NMF (Non-mouse firing), I'm going to try it out too.
QuoteOriginally posted by CoolHand@Dec 19 2005, 06:40 PM
I also recommend shooting the enemy in the back. This minimises the risk of him/her shooting back!
Edit: I still get shot a lot by the teenagers, but I'd rather get a 1:4 kill ratio than a 1:10.
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Imagine someone read this thread but had no idea it was for a game...
QuoteOriginally posted by delanvital@Dec 19 2005, 07:18 PM
Imagine someone read this threat but had no idea it was for a game...
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:lol:
I prefer in order:
Paddle in back
Knife in back
Shoot in back
Favoured classes to do this to are in order:
Sniper
Sniper
Sniper - oh think I mentioned that one
AT - just as aiming
Madic - just as mediccing
Anyone else not looking
Unfortunatelky once I get the paddles or knife in my hand its hard to even contemplete swapping it - and people do turn around when they shouldnt.
I tried it briefly last night on a ranked server, but wasn't convinced it made that much difference, infact most of the time it hindered me as it felt strange not to use the mouse button. I'll give it another couple of goes though to make sure.
i have always been an exponent of mouse moving and shooting since quake 2, and have never really excelled at any multiplayer game :( there are a few who attend our lans who are hard core gamers and win most weekend competitions (but not under the new ticket system - its a long story) and they have never used mouse to move and shoot, in fact all who attend the lans think im some kind of freak for doing so - they all have seperate buttons and all kick my ass, so......... time to change the setup????
Don't discount one small fact in all of these ideas, you may just be a crap aim, get a tank instead, I find it evens out most aiming problems you may have.
QuoteOriginally posted by RizZy@Dec 20 2005, 12:59 PM
Don't discount one small fact in all of these ideas, you may just be a crap aim, get a tank instead, I find it evens out most aiming problems you may have.
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:lmfao:
when i first bought the game i promised myself i would excel in one class and in one transport - i knew i couldnt fly, so my main ambition was to become the best tank driver going. And id forgotten all about it until i read that!!! if you look at the global stats there are some serious tank drivers out there!!!
since joining dmw i really like the anti tank - but the standard weapon is pants and i fancy the shotgun thing but it means i would have to start my profile again or play loads on ranked and get the next unlock
Boris thats what I'm doing at the moment, set up a new account with dMw name (though it won't let me have the correct brackets!) and I've just got my first unlock, I went for my trusty DOA12 shotgun - ah old faithful :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Boris@Dec 20 2005, 01:57 PM
:lmfao:
when i first bought the game i promised myself i would excel in one class and in one transport - i knew i couldnt fly, so my main ambition was to become the best tank driver going. And id forgotten all about it until i read that!!! if you look at the global stats there are some serious tank drivers out there!!!
since joining dmw i really like the anti tank - but the standard weapon is pants and i fancy the shotgun thing but it means i would have to start my profile again or play loads on ranked and get the next unlock
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To be honest Boris - now they have changed the points system - it don't take that long to get an unlock...
I have started from scratch 3 times and it doesn't seem to take long to get my favourite unlocks.
AND - I am going to have to start another one again soon (To take out the BIG in my current tag).
Just one of those pain in the ass things! :)
...On the accuracy note ~ I have to say that last night's experiences for me is that taking careful aim with ANY of the weapons - naturally - produces good results.
However, when you are running around, getting that right ballance of not getting hit while being able to hit the person you're shooting at is the big task.This is what interests me the most.
I have tried stopping and taking careful aim - I have tried going prone...But what I use now is the zig-zag which I find really works...
I basically zig-zag (straff left and right) and at teh same time close in on teh enemy - firing short bursts as I go ~ then let rip with a long burst when close enough.
I *think* I took out armitage near the Cistern last night this way...
I have also effectively avoided tank MG and APC fire this way...Just zig-zag (randomly).
My biggest problem so far is to remember to reload before trying to shoot someone. Usually I end up firing one round, then waiting for the reload, getting shot.
It would be nice to be able to hit something with the riflebutt..
QuoteOriginally posted by CoolHand@Dec 20 2005, 02:37 PM
My biggest problem so far is to remember to reload before trying to shoot someone. Usually I end up firing one round, then waiting for the reload, getting shot.
It would be nice to be able to hit something with the riflebutt..
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Yep, I noticed this while playing 'Call of Duty 2'...If you get caught out hit someone with the butt of your gun...
Personally I would like the option to bayonet!:)
The trouble is - again - getting close enough to do this. 9 time out of 10 the time you run out of ammo is when your opponent is about ten feet away from you - just too far to close in BEFORE they drill one in you!
I am taking up the advice of someone (sorry forgot who) and increasing the priority of the pistol key on my Nostromo n52 speedpad.
It is quicker to switch to this than reload.
QuoteOriginally posted by CoolHand@Dec 20 2005, 02:37 PM
My biggest problem so far is to remember to reload before trying to shoot someone. Usually I end up firing one round, then waiting for the reload, getting shot.
It would be nice to be able to hit something with the riflebutt..
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*nods* how many times have I come across someone with their back to me, only to fire a few stray shots and then click, the guys turns round and kills you.
Now I always try and make sure I reload before turning a corner and at any opportunity when I'm safe. I still forget occaisionally :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Dec 20 2005, 02:54 PM
Now I always try and make sure I reload before turning a corner and at any opportunity when I'm safe. I still forget occaisionally :D
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The problem I have with that is unless i'm very much mistaken in BF2 a reload loses you all the ammo currently in your clip. In other games i have a tendency to reload whenever I can, in BF2 I only do it when I get down to <10 rounds in a 30 round smg clip, for eg, and if i'm not too accurate that has caught me out too. But without a commander we don't get ammo drops, and I don't often seem to find people to resotck from (who is it who restocks? Support?)
QuoteOriginally posted by Carr0t@Dec 20 2005, 03:14 PM
The problem I have with that is unless i'm very much mistaken in BF2 a reload loses you all the ammo currently in your clip. In other games i have a tendency to reload whenever I can, in BF2 I only do it when I get down to <10 rounds in a 30 round smg clip, for eg, and if i'm not too accurate that has caught me out too. But without a commander we don't get ammo drops, and I don't often seem to find people to resotck from (who is it who restocks? Support?)
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Not a problem mate, just kill someone and nick their kit. As I've started with no unlocks on ranked servers, I do this all the time - its actually quite exciting, bit like a lucky dip - wondering what cool unlocked weapon your going to get - or not :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Carr0t@Dec 20 2005, 03:14 PM
(who is it who restocks? Support?)
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Yes - if your lucky youll find clips left around.
QuoteOriginally posted by Carr0t@Dec 20 2005, 03:14 PM
(who is it who restocks? Support?)
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Its Norm mate, just call and he will arrive bearing ammo :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Dec 20 2005, 03:46 PM
Its Norm mate, just call and he will arrive bearing ammo :D
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Yes, I rely on Norm - he does a good service, is curteous and really good value.
I have tried other support but been left very disappointed.
I believe there is now a Family Size Norm - for all your squad's support needs!
...And later this year there will be a 'Winter Breeze' Norm with gentle hint of pine needles and chestnuts.
QuoteOriginally posted by Ranger@Dec 20 2005, 03:55 PM
Yes, I rely on Norm - he does a good service, is curteous and really good value.
I have tried other support but been left very disappointed.
I believe there is now a Family Size Norm - for all your squad's support needs!
...And later this year there will be a 'Winter Breeze' Norm with gentle hint of pine needles and chestnuts.
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i complained to the Norm 24hour customer hotline once to point out that their on site representative 'Norm' had a habit of shooting me in the face despite being on his side - i was told this was a fault with the current model of 'Norm' and an update should be available soon. When I asked what buttons i have to press to stop him taking the pi** about the sinking jeep they just hung up
QuoteOriginally posted by Boris@Dec 20 2005, 04:43 PM
i complained to the Norm 24hour customer hotline once to point out that their on site representative 'Norm' had a habit of shooting me in the face despite being on his side - i was told this was a fault with the current model of 'Norm' and an update should be available soon. When I asked what buttons i have to press to stop him taking the pi** about the sinking jeep they just hung up
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:roflmao:
QuoteOriginally posted by Boris@Dec 20 2005, 04:43 PM
i complained to the Norm 24hour customer hotline once to point out that their on site representative 'Norm' had a habit of shooting me in the face despite being on his side - i was told this was a fault with the current model of 'Norm' and an update should be available soon. When I asked what buttons i have to press to stop him taking the pi** about the sinking jeep they just hung up
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:roflmao: If people are going to post this sort of thing i have to stop reading DMW at work. I get dodgy looks from the boss when I start to giggle to myself. I shall have to just read it when he's not about, same as I do with bash.org ;)
The Norm has its drawbacks(like shooting Boris in the face.....is that a drawback?).But its still the best you can buy.(No Benny not for that) :D
Heheh, it's always a pleasure to read this forum :D
I too have a really bad habit of starting to shoot at someone with only 6-7 shots left in the clip. Then they turn around and start firing at you while you're trying to reload (the TANGO'S) and you very rarely end up still being alive after an encounter like that. However, switching to the pistol, as mentioned elsewhere, really is a good trick. I managed to do this trick some days ago, switching to the gun while being shot at, and popping two shots in the other guys head. There. Done. One shouldn't underestimate the power of the pistol...
Another thing is that the mouse wheel switches really fast while still allowing the freedom of movement - at least with the key setup I'm using.
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Dec 19 2005, 11:08 AM
At the moment I use the left mouse button to fire and obviously to aim. The downside of using the mouse for both shooting and movement/sighting is that when you press fire you move the mouse slightly and can move your curser off target, you then have to resight the sight over your target before beginning to fire again - I appreciate this all happens in tenths of seconds.
My thinking is this should allow me to keep the sights over the enemy, shoot and then once the recoil of the weapon has gone, be bang on my target again and shoot them, without the need to make minor corrections with the mouse.
I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on this, has anyone else tried it?
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Just to bring this thread back up, and back to the original topic, I tried binding fire to a keyboard key near my movement keys tonight on the SF server (it involved some key shuffling. Apologies to the people I kept shooting when trying to climb into their vehicle). When I actually remembered i'd done it, and used the keyboard instead of the mouse button to fire, my accuracy seemed much improved. I normally see a little jerk when I fire (moreso than what the game adds). Maybe I just grip my mouse too hard (oor err missus); I didn't see it when firing using the keyboard. And I certainly seemed to be doing better on kills than I normally expect.
Most noticeable with the SpecOps primary weapon and the Anti-Tank machine gun. I seemed as unable as ever to hit anyone with the sniper rifles ;)
Thing is, even if I move the sensitivty right down (which makes playing the game impossible), I still notice this jerk when firing with the mouse, but it's not like I ever see it when clicking buttons on the Windows desktop or similar. Can anyone offer an explanation for that? Tenseness of the game?
Hi Carrot, thanks for posting your findings.
I tried it only briefly - I'll try it again. I did notice that recoil is simulated in the game and is different for each weapon.
I think thats the reason I like the first medic unlock its recoil is very slight compared to say an AK47.
seriously thinking about moving my mouse-fire to a key too!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by Carr0t@Jan 15 2006, 12:53 AM
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Someone had to pick up on this!
Who were you firing at - will the little jerk please step forward.
QuoteOriginally posted by big-paddy@Jan 15 2006, 09:46 PM
Someone had to pick up on this!
Who were you firing at - will the little jerk please step forward.
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:lmfao:
i would step forward but i replaced my fwd key with fire and i shot boris :blink:
QuoteOriginally posted by sulky_uk@Jan 15 2006, 11:22 PM
i would step forward but i replaced my fwd key with fire and i shot boris :blink:
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you and everyone else - i have replaced duck with fire - its going to be some time before i stop running into combat and breakdancing!!!