I cant seem to find the list of tips and tricks.
Anyway at here is another (Rangers really)
Searching for snipers? Slowly move your sights along skylines. When you see a red tag you got one. Sound simple, but you can find what you cant see.
edit: should the list be pinned
QuoteOriginally posted by big-paddy@Dec 20 2005, 02:22 PM
I cant seem to find the list of tips and tricks.
Anyway at here is another (Rangers really)
Searching for snipers? Slowly move your sights along skylines. When you see a red tag you got one. Sound simple, but you can find what you cant see.
edit: should the list be pinned
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Awwww - bugger DON'T TELL 'EM!
:)
Not that I use it much :whistle:
QuoteOriginally posted by big-paddy@Dec 20 2005, 04:22 PM
I cant seem to find the list of tips and tricks.
Anyway at here is another (Rangers really)
Searching for snipers? Slowly move your sights along skylines. When you see a red tag you got one. Sound simple, but you can find what you cant see.
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Yup. Stand very still and search for me, giving me excellent time to get a head shot... when you see the flash, it's too late.
QuoteOriginally posted by CoolHand@Dec 20 2005, 02:40 PM
Yup. Stand very still and search for me, giving me excellent time to get a head shot... when you see the flash, it's too late.
[post=106178]Quoted post[/post]
Your presuming of course the sniper can see you? :)
Actually I'd say its equally a good way for snipers to quickly find targets if they can't see a target.
I prefer getting into a long distance shooting match vs a sniper than a guy with a M16/M4/G36 etc. For every shot a sniper fires at me they get 2 or 3 in return. My kind of odds.
Obviously if the snipers has you in his sights, you should be history, however the sniper rifles in Bf2 leave much to be desired. The m24/dragnov usually take more than one shot to kill. The M95 will kill outright but many people can't hit a barn door with it - me and Ranger included.
Frenzy seems a good shot with his sniper rifle I've noticed!
http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showforum=131 (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showforum=131)
QuoteOriginally posted by CoolHand@Dec 20 2005, 02:40 PM
Yup. Stand very still and search for me, giving me excellent time to get a head shot... when you see the flash, it's too late.
[post=106178]Quoted post[/post]
I personally dont have any problem...
I make relatively good use of cover - then move.
This worked remarkablly well last night.
I was caught out twice! Not bad going I thought when you consider how many I was knocking down! (No offense guys - just answering the comment!)
(And I was using an M16/G36c versus snipers with SVD/.50 cal!)
Even with the huge front sight blades I was headshoting snipers while they were scoping in one me ~ obviously not everyone is of your high calibre CoolHand (get it? 'Calibre'! LOL)
:roflmao:
I would never chose a sniper rifle over a standard rifle - and the Ghilie suit just looks like a nasty green bush when trying to hide on a sandy hill...
My experience is that snipers have that 'you can't see me' attitude ~ even when thier big heads are poking out from behind the hill!
LOL
QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@Dec 20 2005, 02:52 PM
http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showforum=131 (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showforum=131)
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Ah so thats where its hiding.
Far too obvious.
Is this too good to share with the alphas?
QuoteOriginally posted by big-paddy@Dec 20 2005, 02:57 PM
Ah so thats where its hiding.
Far too obvious.
Is this too good to share with the alphas?
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No - I think we should share all our tricks...
Like how to get in the way of your mate's APC and get run over -
or how to HALO from a great distance then at the last minute hit the 8 key by mistake -
or how to run up to a tank to C4 it only to draw your knife by mistake!
etc, etc...
These are good tips we want everyone else to be using!
;)
Just to make sure you don't misunderstand me: I'm not a very good sniper, I seldom snipe. However, I try not to stand still if I have a suspicion there is a sniper around.
I usually get a kill ratio around one kill for every 0,8 enemies I take out. On a good day I will make a 1:1.
I prefer the M16 or the MEC/Chinese counterpart. A few times I've played sniper, but I'm not good enough in hiding/scooting.
QuoteOriginally posted by CoolHand@Dec 20 2005, 03:03 PM
Just to make sure you don't misunderstand me: I'm not a very good sniper, I seldom snipe. However, I try not to stand still if I have a suspicion there is a sniper around.
I usually get a kill ratio around one kill for every 0,8 enemies I take out. On a good day I will make a 1:1.
I prefer the M16 or the MEC/Chinese counterpart. A few times I've played sniper, but I'm not good enough in hiding/scooting.
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LOL - was pulling your leg mate!
We really should have a 'pulling your leg' smilie - er, or would that look too rude?
;)
QuoteOriginally posted by Ranger@Dec 20 2005, 05:05 PM
LOL - was pulling your leg mate!
We really should have a 'pulling your leg' smilie - er, or would that look too rude?
;)
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I stand pulled! :D
Coolhand, I can't snipe to save my life, which is why I stick to my less sophisticated boomstick - my trusty shotgun :D
QuoteOriginally posted by CoolHand@Dec 20 2005, 03:07 PM
I stand pulled! :D
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ER - would you like to rephrase that!
:roflmao:
....Ummm - I'll get my coat!
:blush: :)
QuoteOriginally posted by Ranger@Dec 20 2005, 05:21 PM
ER - would you like to rephrase that!
:roflmao:
....Ummm - I'll get my coat!
:blush: :)
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Rephrase? Hm.... I guess I lie pulled, as I can hardly stand with my leg pulled.
oh i see, a whole 'bravo super tactic' thing going on is there!!! nice - i demand an alpha v bravo match!!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by Boris@Dec 20 2005, 04:30 PM
oh i see, a whole 'bravo super tactic' thing going on is there!!! nice - i demand and alpha v bravo match!!!!
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I'd like to see this too and Charlie.
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Dec 20 2005, 04:34 PM
I'd like to see this too and Charlie.
[post=106219]Quoted post[/post]
:boxing:
i slap my bf2 gauntlets across your face!!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Dec 20 2005, 04:34 PM
I'd like to see this too and Charlie.
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Of course there is MY 'Zeta' squad super tactic of getting completely wan*ered while playing BF2...
:beer:
It doesn't help you win - but then you don't care!
:)
you wouldnt stand a chance against us Alpha whipper-snappers!!!
winners get to play Charlie
QuoteOriginally posted by Boris@Dec 20 2005, 04:51 PM
you wouldnt stand a chance against us Alpha whipper-snappers!!!
winners get to play Charlie
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Surely a mini league would be better?
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Dec 20 2005, 04:52 PM
Surely a mini league would be better?
[post=106227]Quoted post[/post]
aaarrrrr!!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Dec 20 2005, 04:52 PM
Surely a mini league would be better?
[post=106227]Quoted post[/post]
I think that idea would sink without a trace tbh,dont YOU think so Boris? ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by Norm@Dec 20 2005, 05:10 PM
I think that idea would sink without a trace tbh,dont YOU think so Boris? ;)
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im locked in a 'sinking pun' nightmare!!!!
:devil: sorry I will not mention it again. ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Dec 20 2005, 02:50 PM
Obviously if the snipers has you in his sights, you should be history, however the sniper rifles in Bf2 leave much to be desired. The m24/dragnov usually take more than one shot to kill. The M95 will kill outright but many people can't hit a barn door with it - me and Ranger included.
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Tbh im still puzzled by the BF2 Sniper rifles and can normaly only hit stationary targets or those heading straight towards me. im currently still trying to work out if i need to lead tagets with it or not, becuase whatever i try i seem to get similar hit rates! :pinch:
But I have found that the M95 is EXACTLY the same as the M24 with the exception of a longer zoom and the ability to pass through armour.
EDIT: Oh and imo standing still and checking the hills for snipers is a really, really bad idea imo. They seem to have so little effect on game play that you might as well just ignore them and carry on with the objective.
QuoteOriginally posted by FrEnZy@Dec 21 2005, 04:31 AM
EDIT: Oh and imo standing still and checking the hills for snipers is a really, really bad idea imo. They seem to have so little effect on game play that you might as well just ignore them and carry on with the objective.
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The sniper can have a decent impact if played right; Pick the right place (where you can see the most likely enemy approach), spot targets (very important for your teammates, maybe the most important function), and pick off the enemy (if you manage to pick off the SLs or medics, you're doing good).
QuoteOriginally posted by FrEnZy@Dec 21 2005, 02:31 AM
Tbh im still puzzled by the BF2 Sniper rifles and can normaly only hit stationary targets or those heading straight towards me. im currently still trying to work out if i need to lead tagets with it or not, becuase whatever i try i seem to get similar hit rates! :pinch:
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Some things I've found:
All the sniper rifles can be horrendously inaccurate unless you're patient with your shots. Although it isn't shown on the hud, you have to allow 0.5-1sec settling time on the sights (keep that mouse stationary!) before taking a shot.
At >50m out, aim for the torso area. <50m aim for the head. M24 and M95 will drop a man with two torso shots. The SVD and Chinese thing will do it in three.
You do have to lead targets as well. It is very difficult to do at range. The challenge is to put your crosshairs where you think the guy will be in over a second's time, and let them settle, firing before the victim arrives between the crosshairs. Obviously, the further the shot, the more you lead.
IMO a snipers main role is to spot targets for his team, and take out the guys in jeep turrets/TOWs/LMGs, or the prone shooters hassling your sqaud. Kill once or twice, then displace. Do not fire at every target you see as you will only give your position away. Be sneaky!
And don't skyline yourself on top of buildings (i.e. be up high with no backdrop so your sillhouette stands out). Up high, is the first place people look for snipers. Ground level in a patch of innocuous shade can be
very effective. :devil:
I don't think you have to lead targets. The only time it might be necessary is due to a higish ping. The sniper bullet is pretty much instant?
To be honest I find the whole 'sniper' issue in BF2 is a sticky area...
I find it obvious that the sniper has been handicapped in BF2 for the sake of game ballance.
This is perhaps more obvious to those of us who played Novalogic's 'Joint Operations' where snipers were far too powerful - so much so that games eventually turned into nightmarish sniper fests where your only option sometimes was to become a sniper yourself in order to compete.
BF2 developers obviously looked at this and limited the snipers capabilities - this is imediately obvious when you look at the very ugly cross-hairs in the M24...
Anybody actually seen the crosshairs of a match Redfield scope? I have - and they DON'T look like that!*
:)
This is an obvious attempt to reduce your accuracy - there is no lay off, drop or physical ballistic variables (wind, rain, temprature). There is also no account of stance or breathing of the sniper.
We could argue till the cows come home about the nature of the sniper in BF2 - but the truth is that he only has marginally more accuracy than the standard rifleman, with the addition of a zoom function. But this advantage is carefully off-set by a crippled ballistic performance and neutered 'one shot kill' ability...
In other words - EA/DICE have done a great job in ensuring that we don't have EVERYBODY choosing to be a sniper!
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* I haven't seen the Unertl scope though - but I doubt if the BF2 M24 crosshair looks like that either as this is a super-complex item that has with a Premiere Reticle Co. wire MilDot Reticle - and Ballistic Drop Compensator (BDC).
The original post referred to people sniping, not necessarily with a sniper class.
On certain maps, certain flags, teams do sometimes dig in. Its then often quite hard to see where you are being picked off from. This trick is something you can use when trying to locate a person shooting at distance who has not zeroed in on you - yet!
Never stay in one place for too long in this game anyway, whatever you are doing. Sometime though you have to stop and have a look around, sometimes its even relatively safe to so.
The train crash at karkand is a classic example. You need to find the enemy on the other side of the river and take them out. they may be busy pinning your pals down and not see you.
The silenced pistol can be great fun.
Who? Where? What? :D
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Dec 21 2005, 02:56 PM
Do you mean this (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=11641) thread?
[post=]Quoted post[/post]
Benny beat you to it BB - something like fourth reply :D
QuoteOriginally posted by big-paddy@Dec 21 2005, 03:30 PM
Benny beat you to it BB - something like fourth reply :D
[post=106359]Quoted post[/post]
Beat me to what :devil: ;)
unfaire i cant see the forum :(
QuoteOriginally posted by Ranger@Dec 21 2005, 01:19 PM
...In other words - EA/DICE have done a great job in ensuring that we don't have EVERYBODY choosing to be a sniper!
I just can't agree with that, what EA have done is taken a class and made it so it has no value in a game.
In Joint ops snipers did rule supreme, but I feel this was because it was a more infantry based game than BF2 is. With the amount of hardware laying around as there is in BF2 it can be difficult just trying to find viable targets, let alone actualy getting a fatal hit on them.
In BF2 as it currently stands it is more effective to snipe with one of the assult rifles (if the G3A3 had a scope it would be perfect) than any of the sniper rifles! Imo making snipers somewhat redundant.
what is so special not share with us(alpha company)
QuoteOriginally posted by IntitalD@Dec 22 2005, 06:26 PM
what is so special not share with us(alpha company)
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You can't see the forum????
QuoteOriginally posted by IntitalD@Dec 22 2005, 04:26 PM
what is so special not share with us(alpha company)
[post=106585]Quoted post[/post]
Ooooh. Lot's of things. Lots of juicy, juicy, things. But if we told you them, then we'd have to tell the rest of the big wide world. And that will never do. :ph34r:
Think of it as one of the many incentives to complete the necessary criteria for Bravo Company membership. Then all will be revealed. ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by FrEnZy@Dec 22 2005, 03:52 PM
I just can't agree with that, what EA have done is taken a class and made it so it has no value in a game.
In Joint ops snipers did rule supreme, but I feel this was because it was a more infantry based game than BF2 is. With the amount of hardware laying around as there is in BF2 it can be difficult just trying to find viable targets, let alone actualy getting a fatal hit on them.
In BF2 as it currently stands it is more effective to snipe with one of the assult rifles (if the G3A3 had a scope it would be perfect) than any of the sniper rifles! Imo making snipers somewhat redundant.
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I don't think sniper have NO use in the game - if anything, because of the way EA/DICE have limited thier abilities snipers in BF2 actually have a role which is closer to the real military sniper...
That being observation and recon. (When playing commander I always either play sniper or engineer - because teh sniper gives me the ability to scope in on teh action from a safe distance and also pick off potential flankers.)
JO Escalation was as much a vehicle game as BF2 - in fact they are nearly identical aside from the ranking system! But still snipers could turn the battles into big sniper-fests (one of the reasons BIG-Paddy, Dewey, 9Slice, Glen and myself came over to BF2).
The sniper in BF2 DOES have a good use ~ but unfortunately many of those who like to play sniper do so because they feel it is a good and safe way to rack up kills...
This is NOT what a sniper does in reality.
A sniper is actually suppose to get LESS kills - but the kills he gets are important ones.
A sniper in BF2 should be laying back protecting approaches to the flanks - especially to stop SpecOp and lone wolves from getting to the the main squad.
He should also be spotting and communication potencial dangers to the main squad.
Why do people who play tactical FPSs always feel that the sniper class is some kind of super-ninja assasin???
Why do people who play tactical FPSs always feel that the sniper class is some kind of super-ninja assasin???
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because they carry a super ninja assassin rifle that kills anything and everything with one shot - or supposed to!!!!
i used to pick sniper because i wasnt confident in my one-on-one skills - still arent, always lose - and a nice safe place in a window/on a crane/in the grass was great for that but not in BF2 - i think Frenzy is right - it is the worst class to try and play unless they introduce a multiple zoom function where you can go all the way in, ive never been in the Army and imagine their role is just as much scout as it is sniper, but i understood when you fired you were supposed to be miles away and never seen by the enemy and you cant do that here
"super-ninja assasin" isnt quite what id call it, but i would appreciate it if the bullets i was so carefully aiming went where they were ment to.
And i dont feel that any of your points brings the sniper back up to a class worth playing. Any class in this game could be used in a scouting role, but also be able to kill an enemy if the suitation allowed.
Tbh what a sniper does in reality has little bearing on this game, if any. This game would be a hell of alot different if it was all aimed at being realistic.
QuoteOriginally posted by FrEnZy@Dec 22 2005, 08:11 PM
"super-ninja assasin" isnt quite what id call it, but i would appreciate it if the bullets i was so carefully aiming went where they were ment to.
And i dont feel that any of your points brings the sniper back up to a class worth playing. Any class in this game could be used in a scouting role, but also be able to kill an enemy if the suitation allowed.
Tbh what a sniper does in reality has little bearing on this game, if any. This game would be a hell of alot different if it was all aimed at being realistic.
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Awww...I think it is a OK class.
The fact that it's not powerful as it could be is just a game ballancing thing.
I'm sure anyone who has to endure snipers in BF2 feels it's powerful enough.
I certainly think the M24 is accurate enough.
But I think the scouting role (although I wouldn't call it that) is an important one - flanking is a primary tactic in the game and so having snipers out on the flanks preventing flankers is a really handy thing to have...
I think it's all down to how you play the game - sniper, engineer and support might seem lame classes to some, but in the team game they are very important.
In a team game I think sniper has a very important part to play - particularly in defence - but played that way he is never going to accure a huge amount of point or kills. Just the satisfaction that he is supporting the team.
But its a matter of opinion...
Though I still think were the sniper ay more powerful it would change the nature of the game a lot (like Joint Ops it would probably force everyone into using vehicles all the time).
I love publics. What is what everybody does at the first round? Exactly! Pick sniper.
Today I killed 7 people with my humvee because they wanted the good snipingspots and all at the first round. People get predictable and that's when you can take them out easily. It's like the game Lemmings. First round, loads of snipers, why? Only the guy upstairs knows.
If you want to be a sniper, don't sit in one spot. Keep moving! One of my first tryes on our own server got me quit a few kills as a sniper because I kept moving. At one time it was me against 2 snipers and an assault guy. I first played against Suicidal as a Sniper because he took me out because he was sniping. The bad thing was, after he killed me he stayed in the same spot. I took him out, then repositioned myself and after he responed he got another gitspot in the back of one of our spawnpoints. I allready spotted him up there and took him out easily and it wasn't untill one of the last few rounds that it was OB who finally took me out.
I like the sniperclass but it does need some tactics.
Defending or Attacking from above as Supply Class
If you can get to a high position above the flag or choke point, toss about some supplies then choose grenade and spam the area with grenades...
keep tossing supplies to replenish and you can stay there all day...
don't go near the edge of the roof to look though...keep well back and you won't be noticed....just spam away...be aware of your team mates positions though, and let them know you're grenading blindly
did I mention not going near the edge? :ph34r:
QuoteOriginally posted by Blunt@Dec 23 2005, 12:35 AM
Defending or Attacking from above as Supply Class
If you can get to a high position above the flag or choke point, toss about some supplies then choose grenade and spam the area with grenades...
keep tossing supplies to replenish and you can stay there all day...
don't go near the edge of the roof to look though...keep well back and you won't be noticed....just spam away...be aware of your team mates positions though, and let them know you're grenading blindly
did I mention not going near the edge? :ph34r:
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I STILL find it hard to get the best out of the Support MG...
I got better when I took Norm's hints (some time back) to go prone and use short bursts - but even so I can't understand why the MG seems so inaccurate at range (when the real thing isn't).
Still, again, like the sniper rifle, having a weapon like the MG being easy to use and accurate over range would perhaps inballance the infantry game (?). We might end up with a game full of snipers and MGers! LOL
I wish you had the CHOICE of what weapon you had in a class - I would play Support if I could use an M16 for example...
And if people don't believe that these weapons are given to the different classes in order to balance the game - take a look at Anti-tank class...
MP5/smg as standard for AT troops? I think not!
It's all about ballance - an M16 carrying ATer would just be too powerful.
...Er...Rant over! LOL
:)
To be honest I think its down to the individual alot,I cant aim too good with standard rifles,but that mg can pick of a sniper layed on a hill a good distance away,dont figure does it?Was on TG server the other night with Dewey and I was asked to play AT(MEC).I had a ball with that gun.I must admit the MG does take a long time to get use to,but its never going to be as accurate as a rifle because of the reasons Ranger put forward.I think I am doomed to use inaccurate/powerless weapons in BF2. ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by Norm@Dec 23 2005, 10:57 AM
To be honest I think its down to the individual alot,I cant aim too good with standard rifles,but that mg can pick of a sniper layed on a hill a good distance away,dont figure does it?Was on TG server the other night with Dewey and I was asked to play AT(MEC).I had a ball with that gun.I must admit the MG does take a long time to get use to,but its never going to be as accurate as a rifle because of the reasons Ranger put forward.I think I am doomed to use inaccurate/powerless weapons in BF2. ;)
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only until they patch it Norm which hopefully won't be too long ;o)