I've had BF2 for a week. Now I can't get on the server because I haven't got SF.
I suppose when I get that, everyone will be playing COD2 or something...
:eyebrow:
Even if you've got SF you, well I, got this:
(http://www.finnglish.co.uk/Stuff/Huh.jpg)
I have BF2 patched up to date some map packs and an unused Special Forces. now what's all that about?
This was tonight at 22:10. The map was Ghost Town :angry:
How many times did you try?
It's a known issue, sometimes it would do that on the normal server. You just keep trying and it lets you in.
Unless you're a Hax0r? :o
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Normal service will be resumed on Wednesday.
sorry dogmeat m8 but dont worry sf nights r few and far between, i think that this is the 2nd or 3rd since it came out end of nov, im sure there will always be vanilla bf2 until every 1 has sf (which wont happen cause some ppl think its pants)
im sure business as usual tomorrow night
Why not run a seperate SF server if you must have one?
im no expert but its all up to costings and bandwidth to run another server, then as posted on another thread you would have half the ppl playing sf and half vanilla, and that wouldnt be good
i wouldnt worry too much m8 as long as ppl with vanilla bf2 want to play then im sure sf wil take the backseat , i have it but am not a great fan.
im sure the server admin guys wil listen your concerns and hopefully one will reply to this thread :smile:
QuoteOriginally posted by Liberator@Jan 3 2006, 11:09 PM
How many times did you try?
It's a known issue, sometimes it would do that on the normal server. You just keep trying and it lets you in.
Unless you're a Hax0r? :o
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Normal service will be resumed on Wednesday.
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Several times. 4 or 5 actually, before I took the hint. It's a known issue? Great! In the meantime, as I can't play a game I've payed for, I find it hard to be so laid back about it.
QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@Jan 3 2006, 05:47 PM
Why not run a seperate SF server if you must have one?
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In addition to that reason given up there somewhere *points up* I guess also that having a SF server and a vanilla server will just divide the community and you'll end up with two barely-filled (and therefore pants) servers instead of one decently-filled server.
I thought last night went off well - I only played one and a half games as I had some work to do, but enjoyed them a lot.
There was a good number of players on too!
So what would be wrong with trying Tuesday nights as the SF night? - Keeps it out of the way of the popular vanilla nights, and yet - going by last night - it still get's as many players as we used to get on the normal BF2 nights when we started.
...On a more controversial note, I have to say I just do not get all the fuss about whether we do or don't have SF nights anyway.
The expansion is cheap - readily available - fun - not buggy (and despite some of the moans going round the greater BF2 community, this expansion is not a 'fix' of stuff that should have been in the game in the first place - it is what it says it is, an exapnsion).
As long as we avoid the most popular vanilla BF2 night - Sunday - I really don't see what anyone has to complain about.
(I don't think we need to run a seperate server yet - we just don't have the numbers to warrent this.)
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It is interesting to see what other sites have polled on SF - 'secretsofbattlefield.com' seems typical and offers this responce to the question 'Special Forces - bought it?'
Bought - 66%
Will buy - 18%
Never - 15%
Votes: 2420
QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@Jan 3 2006, 09:12 PM
I've had BF2 for a week. Now I can't get on the server because I haven't got SF.
I suppose when I get that, everyone will be playing COD2 or something...
:eyebrow:
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COD2??? Your joking aren't you, COD2 is lameness personified compared to BF2. :P
Expansion packs. Mods. Add-ons. None of which are necessary if you set up a server for people to play on. I don't recall any of the many CS mods being forced on players just because a few people wanted to play them.
I'm guessing that the new server would be able to cope with running BF2 and BF2SF together for a night - anyone care to enlighten me?
Assuming that it can, then SF players can go off and do their thing leaving the rest to play vanilla. At least the rest of us would have a choice, which is more than we had last night.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not against mods, after all I founded the -=[dMw]=- clan based on Action Quake. I'm not, however, too keen on arbitrary decisions being taken to lock out clan members from the server just because they haven't bought the latest flavour-of-the-month.
QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@Jan 4 2006, 10:34 AM
Expansion packs. Mods. Add-ons. None of which are necessary if you set up a server for people to play on. I don't recall any of the many CS mods being forced on players just because a few people wanted to play them.
I'm guessing that the new server would be able to cope with running BF2 and BF2SF together for a night - anyone care to enlighten me?
Assuming that it can, then SF players can go off and do their thing leaving the rest to play vanilla. At least the rest of us would have a choice, which is more than we had last night.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not against mods, after all I founded the -=[dMw]=- clan based on Action Quake. I'm not, however, too keen on arbitrary decisions being taken to lock out clan members from the server just because they haven't bought the latest flavour-of-the-month.
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why is everyone so anti SF???? youre on here because you love BF2, why would you not get it and play an expansion and enhance your enjoyment - on the other hand i havent played it yet :blink:
QuoteOriginally posted by Boris@Jan 4 2006, 12:11 PM
youre on here because you love BF2,
Bzzzt. Sorry, thanks for playing.
QuoteOriginally posted by Boris@Jan 4 2006, 11:11 AM
why is everyone so anti SF???? youre on here because you love BF2, why would you not get it and play an expansion and enhance your enjoyment - on the other hand i havent played it yet :blink:
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Nicely put Boris...
I've been trying (hard) to see it from the other side, and the only thing I can think is maybe they just don't like SF and it's maps compared to BF2.
But I find that hard to believe.
Remember - SF ISN'T a mod - it's an official expansion, designed specifically to work with BF2...It's not like the mod situation where people might end up with lots of different mods.
Other games have official expansions and I have never heard this kind of opposition before. I used to like 'Age of Empires' and 'Warcraft' and they were expansion mad! But no one complained - they just thought it was great that they were always getting new and interesting stuff to keep the game fresh!
:)
QuoteOriginally posted by Ranger@Jan 4 2006, 12:20 PM
Nicely put Boris...
I've been trying (hard) to see it from the other side, and the only thing I can think is maybe they just don't like SF and it's maps compared to BF2.
But I find that hard to believe.
Remember - SF ISN'T a mod - it's an official expansion, designed specifically to work with BF2...It's not like the mod situation where people might end up with lots of different mods.
Other games have official expansions and I have never heard this kind of opposition before. I used to like 'Age of Empires' and 'Warcraft' and they were expansion mad! But no one complained - they just thought it was great that they were always getting new and interesting stuff to keep the game fresh!
:)
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SF itself isn't the problem.
QuoteI'm not, however, too keen on arbitrary decisions being taken to lock out clan members from the server
That is.
QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@Jan 4 2006, 10:34 AM
Expansion packs. Mods. Add-ons. None of which are necessary if you set up a server for people to play on. I don't recall any of the many CS mods being forced on players just because a few people wanted to play them.
I'm guessing that the new server would be able to cope with running BF2 and BF2SF together for a night - anyone care to enlighten me?
Assuming that it can, then SF players can go off and do their thing leaving the rest to play vanilla. At least the rest of us would have a choice, which is more than we had last night.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not against mods, after all I founded the -=[dMw]=- clan based on Action Quake. I'm not, however, too keen on arbitrary decisions being taken to lock out clan members from the server just because they haven't bought the latest flavour-of-the-month.
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:withstupid: and that pretty much encompasses my thoughts on the subject. I do not own the SF expansion, and cannot see myself purchasing it in the near future.
Our server hardware should be easily capable of running both BF2 and BF2SF in tandem.
You can argue that running two servers will fragment the community, etc, etc. But IMHO that is far preferable than the exclusion of those who choose not to purchase an expansion pack for whatever individual reason. And in the end, this is what it all boils down to...choice, and the removal of it.
IMHO the choice to buy or not to buy the expansion pack should not affect a [dMw] community member's ability to play on their home servers. We managed this with CS, I'm sure we can come to an acceptable solution with BF2.
And I'm sorry, these arguments that one should "just buy it because it's cheap" are just plain weak.
We have been in a similar situation previously when CS:CZ was released. Some people bought it and others didn't. However, nobody was denied the right to play which is the point Doggers is making here. As a poll was taken it should be evident that not everyone has SF (I do but thats neither here nor there). the point is if the main server is capapble of running vanilla BF2 as well as BF2:SF (both with AAS) then the vanilla BF2 server should not have been turned off preventing community members from playing.
The admins will discuss the best way forward and then offer possible solutions to the community. At present I would suggest theat we could run both but TL would have to confirm the server can cope with load (I think it could) and we would have to be happy that having both running would not dilute the numbers to the point where people leave because there is not enough players to play a good game. If we do run both then my feeling is that the SF server would be started on certain nights so as not to cause dilution. However, these are only my thoughts and we need to discuss it in the admin section before offering suggestions to the community. In the meantime the BF2:AAS server will run as normal. Could I ask all BF2 admins not to turn it off it until further agreement has been reached on the way forward.
i thank you :)
QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@Jan 4 2006, 11:29 AM
SF itself isn't the problem.
That is.
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I kind of get your point now DogMeat ~ but would still say that this doesn't 'lock' people out as such - not in the strictest sense.
Were it something that made it technically impossible for members to get in I would wholeheartedly agree with you...
But, again, this is an official expansion.
- For example, were you still on patch 1.01 and could not get into Meathook because we run patch 1.02, you wouldn't say we were 'locking' you out.
People just accept that they have to keep up to date with game updates in order to play...
The way I look at it SF is a game update ~ but with the added 'advantage' that, as a group, we can decide whether to adopt it or not...
The price of adopting this expansion isn't much - £14.99, so it's hardly a major stumbling block should the group as a whole deside to adopt it...
And anyway, the idea is that we restrict this adoption to certain nights of teh week to accomodate those who don't have the expansion.
...I think that's very fair. As it doesn't exclude anyone from playing the vanilla game as usual if they want to!
But to be fair to you - can I ask you why you DON'T want to buy SF? (Not being cheeky, just really would like to know what it is about the expansion that you don't like.)
Dogmeat, I understand you being annoyed at not being able to play on the dMw server last night.
However, you said
Quotejust because a few people wanted to play them
implying that its just a small minority who have SF which it clearly isn't if the polls we took are correct.
The majority of dMw BF2 players also have SF so its understandble that they want to play SF occaisionally. Its equally annoying for the majority of SF owners that they haven't got a regular night that they can play SF on. I believe this is only the 3rd time its been tried out on the server since SF's launch some months ago.
I agree that if we had larger numbers playing BF2 it would be worthwhile to split the BF2 and SF onto seperate servers. Unfortunatley this isn't really feasible at the moment due to the smaller numbers - you would end up fragmenting the BF2 players and never getting a decent game on either.
Like Ranger I find the seeming them and us attitude to SF confusing. This is an official EA expansion and therefore could not be described as -
Quotethe latest flavour-of-the-month
, it is not just a 3rd party mod or an addon.
Inevitably, more and more people will buy the expansion and want to play it on our server.
Is it not fair to have at least one SF night and trial it too see how it works out and if its popular? We need to find a solution thats amicable for everyone.
*wouldn't you know it, my long winded message has subsequently been negated by previous comments*
I turned up last night to play BF2. I couldn't because I was locked out and told to go and buy SF. Annoyance sets in.
Try again. Still locked out, so I follow the link and find that for $29 or thereabouts I can spend the next two and a half hours downloading SF, plus (say fiteen minutes) installation time. After which the server will be empty anyway. Annoyance escalates, wisps of steam begin leaking from ears.
Spend time in the forums looking for the discussion/vote about closing the server to some clan members. No luck. Vein in temple now visibly throbbing.
Why didn't I buy SF? Because I don't need it to play BF2. Simple. I installed it, patched it - not unreasonable requirements, given that updating solves problems in the original code.
SF is not a patch, nor does it fix anything.
QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@Jan 4 2006, 11:56 AM
I turned up last night to play BF2. I couldn't because I was locked out and told to go and buy SF. Annoyance sets in.
Try again. Still locked out, so I follow the link and find that for $29 or thereabouts I can spend the next two and a half hours downloading SF, plus (say fiteen minutes) installation time. After which the server will be empty anyway. Annoyance escalates, wisps of steam begin leaking from ears.
Spend time in the forums looking for the discussion/vote about closing the server to some clan members. No luck. Vein in temple now visibly throbbing.
Why didn't I buy SF? Because I don't need it to play BF2. Simple. I installed it, patched it - not unreasonable requirements, given that updating solves problems in the original code.
SF is not a patch, nor does it fix anything.
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but its a natural evolution of the game!
Why didn't I buy SF?
Because I don't need it to play BF2.im sure your graphics card plays BF2, but youll get another, better one eventually
As I said I can understand your frustration I know how annoyed I felt after jingle bells tourney when all the servers went down :ranting:
Would it not be fair to choose one day to play SF for those who want it, but make sure it doesn't conicide with popular BF2 nights, ie Sunday and Monday?
As previously mentioned we will discuss this in the admin forum and offer suggestions based on what we can supply. Till then I suggest we let things lie as I don't want to have to lock the thread.
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Jan 4 2006, 12:18 PM
As I said I can understand your frustration I know how annoyed I felt after jingle bells tourney when all the servers went down :ranting:
Would it not be fair to choose one day to play SF for those who want it, but make sure it doesn't conicide with popular BF2 nights, ie Sunday and Monday?
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:withstupid:
what we need to do next is figure how to get the non-SFers to come across!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@Jan 4 2006, 11:56 AM
I turned up last night to play BF2. I couldn't because I was locked out and told to go and buy SF. Annoyance sets in.
Try again. Still locked out, so I follow the link and find that for $29 or thereabouts I can spend the next two and a half hours downloading SF, plus (say fiteen minutes) installation time. After which the server will be empty anyway. Annoyance escalates, wisps of steam begin leaking from ears.
Spend time in the forums looking for the discussion/vote about closing the server to some clan members. No luck. Vein in temple now visibly throbbing.
Why didn't I buy SF? Because I don't need it to play BF2. Simple. I installed it, patched it - not unreasonable requirements, given that updating solves problems in the original code.
SF is not a patch, nor does it fix anything.
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Sorry to seem argumentative!
But likewise you don't NEED to buy SF to play on Meathook! - The majority of days are set aside for vanilla BF2, the discussions (in the SF threads) have all been about reserving ONE day to being an SF day.
And the reason we (want to) have a particular day set aside is precisly to avoid and confusion for other dMw members. - SO - Tuesday (for example) will be know to everyone to be SF Tuesday (or whatever).
No, SF is not a patch nor does it fix anything - but that's our point - it's an official expansion - meant to impart joy and celebration among those who like BF2 because it adds more cool stuff for you to enjoy!
As others have pointed out - there have ONLY beed two or three occassions since SF came out when we have tried it out on the dMw server...This despite a poll which suggests that the majority (who expressed an interest) OWN SF!
So it's not like those that own SF are being hugly bombastic and unreasonable.
And in the spirit of dMw neither is it - I think - too much of an inconvinience for one member to take into consideration the needs of another by understanding they might want to try something a little different
occassionally.
Was one night of inconvinience to you such a big price to pay so that other dMwers could have a fun night - particularly as the evening was discussed on the forum.
I don't think it's worth getting upset about ~ I missed the very first game dMw did with SF because mine hadn't arrived!
Chill mate! :)
As I said - this doesn't lock people out - there are 6 more nights in the week!
;)
Nobody is TELLING you you HAVE to buy SF - you don't. Meathook is still almost exclusively a vanilla BF2 server...
One night does not make a 'lock out'!
QuoteOriginally posted by Ranger@Jan 4 2006, 12:25 PM
Sorry to seem argumentative!
But likewise you don't NEED to buy SF to play on Meathook! - The majority of days are set aside for vanilla BF2, the discussions (in the SF threads) have all been about reserving ONE day to being an SF day.
And the reason we (want to) have a particular day set aside is precisly to avoid and confusion for other dMw members. - SO - Tuesday (for example) will be know to everyone to be SF Tuesday (or whatever).
No, SF is not a patch nor does it fix anything - but that's our point - it's an official expansion - meant to impart joy and celebration among those who like BF2 because it adds more cool stuff for you to enjoy!
As others have pointed out - there have ONLY beed two or three occassions since SF came out when we have tried it out on the dMw server...This despite a poll which suggests that the majority (who expressed an interest) OWN SF!
So it's not like those that own SF are being hugly bombastic and unreasonable.
And in the spirit of dMw neither is it - I think - too much of an inconvinience for one member to take into consideration the needs of another by understanding they might want to try something a little different occassionally.
Was one night of inconvinience to you such a big price to pay so that other dMwers could have a fun night - particularly as the evening was discussed on the forum.
I don't think it's worth getting upset about ~ I missed the very first game dMw did with SF because mine hadn't arrived!
Chill mate! :)
As I said - this doesn't lock people out - there are 6 more nights in the week!
;)
Nobody is TELLING you you HAVE to buy SF - you don't. Meathook is still almost exclusively a vanilla BF2 server...
One night does not make a 'lock out'!
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Ranger.
I think you need to tone down your comments. No decision has been made as to how things will go forward. Despite my posting twice that it is to be discussed in the admin forum you seem to insist on keeping this discussion going. Enough!
Thread now locked!