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Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Wordan on January 09, 2006, 10:32:40 PM
Hi, I got the Special Forces expansion today. Had two problems, first it would complain about my CD Key when connecting to a server, after some annoyance and searching on google, I sorted that out, however the performance is rotten... I joined a 64 player server and achieved about 1/2 a frame per second, playing on lower numbers achieves pretty bad performance in comparason to the original game which I've not really had any problems with. Im using high graphics settings, with 1280*1024 rsolution, 2GHz athlon, 1GB ram and a Geforce 6800 GT. I've not actually tried turning down the settings... because the original works fine and there arn't any special graphic additions are there? Does anybody know of any specific issues which can be fixed or have any tips? I reinstalled the 1.12 patch after installing

Thank you muchly :)
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Dewey on January 09, 2006, 10:45:01 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Wordan@Jan 9 2006, 10:32 PM
Hi, I got the Special Forces expansion today. Had two problems, first it would complain about my CD Key when connecting to a server, after some annoyance and searching on google, I sorted that out, however the performance is rotten... I joined a 64 player server and achieved about 1/2 a frame per second, playing on lower numbers achieves pretty bad performance in comparason to the original game which I've not really had any problems with. Im using high graphics settings, with 1280*1024 rsolution, 2GHz athlon, 1GB ram and a Geforce 6800 GT. I've not actually tried turning down the settings... because the original works fine and there arn't any special graphic additions are there? Does anybody know of any specific issues which can be fixed or have any tips? I reinstalled the 1.12 patch after installing

Thank you muchly :)
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Hi Wordan, SF is known to be make considerably more demands on your system than BF. First thing I would recommend is get 2 GB or ram, even BF2 uses 1.5 meg and you will notice an immediate and considerable increase in frame rate and the speed at which you get into the game.

I would also drop my resolution and settings to medium and then work your way back up.

That should sort it.
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Blunt on January 09, 2006, 10:51:21 PM
QuoteDoes anybody know of any specific issues

yeah...it's a lotta dosh for a zip line and grapple iron <_<

can't say I noticed a drop in performance though :narnar:
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Dewey on January 09, 2006, 10:58:53 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Blunt@Jan 9 2006, 10:51 PM
yeah...it's a lotta dosh for a zip line and grapple iron <_<

can't say I noticed a drop in performance though :narnar:
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Well you wouldnt would you mate... not with your 7800GT x2 sli combo!!  :blink:
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Wordan on January 09, 2006, 11:02:44 PM
Thanks Dewey
I just knocked my graphics down to medium, howver i didnt change the resoultion. It actually performed a lot worse than it was earlier in the day, so I dont know whats going on. it is unplayable. Another gig of ram? yea, a whole lot of cash for a few extras and a huge performance hit, have gotten a bit pissed of with it.

I had 512MB ram when i got BF2, and when I upped to 1GB i did notice a pretty decent improvment, hower, im sure the amout of ram it  uses scales depending on how much you have? Im just looking for excuses to save my money...

(edit)Well actually I just discovered that the origional game is not performing properly either
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Liberator on January 10, 2006, 12:08:46 AM
Did you re-apply the 1.12 patch after installing SF.

If not, you have to.
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Wordan on January 10, 2006, 12:11:24 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Liberator@Jan 10 2006, 12:08 AM
Did you re-apply the 1.12 patch after installing SF.

If not, you have to.
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Yup

Compleat reinstall also, which hasn't worked.

The input lag's sometimes, even on a 16player empty local server, it acts as if you have netwrok lag, and online I get 'connection problem' a lot. (Since I installed BF2:SF)
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Dewey on January 10, 2006, 09:38:47 AM
If you have 2 gig of ram and goto processors you'll see that BF2 likes to run on 1.5 gig of ram, so less than that and its going to be slower I'm afraid.

The good news is we don't yet run SF, so you could uninstall it for now and run BF2, then join us on the server, you missed some great games last night - new recruits are always welcome  :) Though I see you joined over  a year ago  :blush:
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: delanvital on January 10, 2006, 10:12:21 AM
I have the same problem. It is not 1 fps but sort of lags a bit every 2 to 5 second. My solution was to crank the solution down to 800x600 medium setting, and clear out all running processes.

I am on Athon XP 3000+, 1,25GB, R9600 XT 128MB AGP, SATA RAID
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2006, 01:10:28 PM
I was getting that sort off effect. I discovered that I had set my sound card (Creative X-Fi) to Entertainment mode instead of Gaming Mode and it was using the processor differently. If you have a card that allows you to swap modes then worth checking.

Also look at http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=12235&hl= (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=12235&hl=)
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: DogMeat on January 10, 2006, 01:15:49 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Jan 9 2006, 11:45 PM
First thing I would recommend is get 2 GB or ram, even BF2 uses 1.5 meg and you will notice an immediate and considerable increase in frame rate and the speed at which you get into the game.

So much for the "it's only a £14.95 official upgrade" argument. :roflmao:
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Dewey on January 10, 2006, 01:28:25 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@Jan 10 2006, 01:15 PM
So much for the "it's only a £14.95 official upgrade" argument. :roflmao:
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The fact is you will notice a distinct improvement in playing BF2  with the extra ram - this has nothing to do with SF - so I don't understood what your point is?

So yes SF is only a £15 official upgrade. *I'm getting deja vu*  :rolleyes:
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2006, 02:56:31 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Jan 9 2006, 10:45 PM
Hi Wordan, SF is known to be make considerably more demands on your system than BF. First thing I would recommend is get 2 GB or ram, even BF2 uses 1.5 meg and you will notice an immediate and considerable increase in frame rate and the speed at which you get into the game.

I would also drop my resolution and settings to medium and then work your way back up.

That should sort it.
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First thing I would do is to reinstall 1.12 patch then delete all of the BF2 cached files and then let it cache the textures etc again.

It is a lot cheaper than more memory and may even work ;)
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2006, 03:02:46 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey+Jan 10 2006, 01:28 PM-->
QUOTE(Dewey @ Jan 10 2006, 01:28 PM)
The fact is you will notice a distinct improvement in playing BF2 with the extra ram - this has nothing to do with SF - so I don't understood what your point is?

So yes SF is only a £15 official upgrade. *I'm getting deja vu* :rolleyes:
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His point is, Dewey, that your original comment (below) suggested that SF was more memory hungry than BF2 and that going to 2 Meg would help alleviate the extra drag of running SF. Thus if you had to upgrade your memory to get SF to run OK then it is in effect costing more than £15 to upgrade. I have made bold your particular words below so you don't have to refer back to the original comment. If I have misunderstood your use of English then please excuse me but it looks pretty clear to me.

Oh, and for the record  :rolleyes:  ;)

Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Doorman on January 10, 2006, 03:15:44 PM
I made a post recently about not being able to get on SF servers and the cure for the problem.(which nobody acknowledged :( ) From what I'm reading here this may be related. If you've simply installed SF on top of patched up BF2 the RE-INSTALL patch 1.2. as someone (scans down, ah yes, BlueBall or 'Sir' as I like to call him) has already stated, but not quite forcibly enough.

Closes door quietly behind him.
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Carr0t on January 10, 2006, 03:20:47 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Jan 9 2006, 10:45 PM
Hi Wordan, SF is known to be make considerably more demands on your system than BF. First thing I would recommend is get 2 GB or ram, even BF2 uses 1.5 meg and you will notice an immediate and considerable increase in frame rate and the speed at which you get into the game.
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If you go from 1.5*Meg* to 2*Gig* then I certainly expect you will  ;)
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Dewey on January 10, 2006, 04:03:10 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Jan 10 2006, 03:02 PM
His point is, Dewey, that your original comment (below) suggested that SF was more memory hungry than BF2 and that going to 2 Meg would help alleviate the extra drag of running SF. Thus if you had to upgrade your memory to get SF to run OK then it is in effect costing more than £15 to upgrade. I have made bold your particular words below so you don't have to refer back to the original comment. If I have misunderstood your use of English then please excuse me but it looks pretty clear to me.

Oh, and for the record :rolleyes: ;)
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BB you've misunderstood.

What I actually said  is -
QuoteSF makes more demands on your system than BF2
. Which as we know, it does.

QuoteFirst thing I would recommend is get 2 GB or ram, even BF2 uses 1.5 meg
ie regardless of whether you play SF or BF2 I'd get the memory upgrade.

The fact remains that  BF2 needs a 2 Gig upgrade regardless of whether you have SF - its probably the most effective upgrade you can make to get BF2 running quicker.

By now I think we all know there are dMwer's who don't like SF, aren't going to buy it and have probably never played it and have been vocal in that fact. Fair enough. But lets bear in mind that the majority of BF2 dMwers do play SF and this guy is asking for help on SF related issues so lets try and keep on topic and help the guy.
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2006, 05:34:25 PM
PM sent ;)
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Liberator on January 10, 2006, 05:38:37 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Jan 10 2006, 05:34 PM
PM sent ;)
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Nooooo, thats our little secret!

If they don't know from the hints we've been dropping then thats their fault!

 :P
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2006, 06:06:29 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Liberator@Jan 10 2006, 05:38 PM
Nooooo, thats our little secret!

If they don't know from the hints we've been dropping then thats their fault!

 :P
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It's still out little secret :)
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: DogMeat on January 10, 2006, 07:08:29 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Dewey@Jan 10 2006, 05:03 PM
By now I think we all know there are dMwer's who don't like SF, aren't going to buy it and have probably never played it and have been vocal in that fact. Fair enough.

Just for the record, I don't have any issues with SF (well, maybe 2GB memory requirements for a little-better-than-average FPS does tickle the cynicism meter).

I am, however, beginning to have issues with people who either consistently misread, or wilfully misinterpret posts. :eyebrow:

That is all.
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Liberator on January 10, 2006, 07:18:55 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@Jan 10 2006, 07:08 PM
Just for the record, I don't have any issues with SF (well, maybe 2GB memory requirements for a little-better-than-average FPS does tickle the cynicism meter).

I am, however, beginning to have issues with people who either consistently misread, or wilfully misinterpret posts. :eyebrow:

That is all.
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What do you mean "We all smell of cheese!".

:o

I'm outraged.
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Wordan on January 10, 2006, 08:16:45 PM
lol

well just a quick note if anybody is interested, today BF2 seams to have eradicated its occasional input lagging on a local server, after I  erased the shader cache. BF2:SF still performs badly, Warlord is particularly unplayable, occasionally grinding to a hault.

Infact I think I just noticed the stalling is coinsiding with the HDD light, which is flashing quite a bit, and the tast manager says BF2:SF(single player running Warlord) is running at ~450MB(I have 1GB of ram), which can't be right, and page file usege is 1.3GB?? im pretty certain iv never seen that before. I dont undestand teh page file, so I dont know if this is off. Sorry to waffel, but im just hoping, perhaps somebody will read this and recognise the problem.

It decided to randomly reoptomise the shaders (I didn't change anyhting. honest. it has happened a few times) and now its using ~700MB and performing considerably better (Warlord, Singleplayer). Again apologies for the waffeling
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Wordan on January 11, 2006, 03:25:13 PM
Well I guess it is some kind of memory problem, 800*600 on low settings works good where the page file went down to about 800MB, besides looking like shit (espically at a non native resolution on a TFT). Thats redicilious, requiring 2GB of ram to play the game, it specifically says on the back of special forces box that the specs requirments are the same as the original, which happens to be 512MB.

Whats more,  the online computer hardware retailers I know insist on a surcharge of £15 or more for Northern Ireland customers; to ship a few grams of memory? And I'm not imployed  :blush:
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Apoc on January 11, 2006, 05:03:48 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Wordan@Jan 11 2006, 03:25 PM
Whats more, the online computer hardware retailers I know insist on a surcharge of £15 or more for Northern Ireland customers; to ship a few grams of memory? And I'm not imployed :blush:
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http://www.mplex.com (http://www.mplex.com)

shops in Belfast, Bangor, Lisburn, Coleraine, Newry, Portadown and Banbridge ;)
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: sulky_uk on January 11, 2006, 05:50:02 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Apoc@Jan 11 2006, 05:03 PM
http://www.mplex.com (http://www.mplex.com)

shops in Belfast, Bangor, Lisburn, Coleraine, Newry, Portadown and Banbridge ;)
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didnt you used to work for them "cowboys"  apoc :wink:
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Apoc on January 12, 2006, 11:29:49 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by sulky_uk@Jan 11 2006, 05:50 PM
didnt you used to work for them "cowboys" apoc :wink:
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Cowboys!!! Never!!! :D

Did really good prices on a lot of stuff, especially blank cd's/dvd's, used to go collect them from a factory up the road 10,000 at a time :huh:
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Wordan on January 13, 2006, 08:08:30 PM
An extra GB of RAM did the trick. No more flashing black hillsides, tanks disapearing when looking from a helicopter, I can crank up the graphics again and minimise performs excellent too. Mind you most of that stuff worked before I installed special forces...

Didn't purchase from the cowboys, they were far to expensive for memory.
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Apoc on January 13, 2006, 09:19:02 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Wordan@Jan 13 2006, 08:08 PM

Didn't purchase from the cowboys, they were far to expensive for memory.
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Where did you go then? Always on the lookout for decent places to get stuff
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Wordan on January 13, 2006, 10:02:09 PM
I ordered from overclockers.co.uk, I forgot about them and they don't have a delivery surcharge for NI. At least not for a bit of memory.
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: outofsync on January 13, 2006, 10:06:44 PM
I've been running with 1GB RAM since the start and all seems well. Once the cache had been cleared after SF install all is well. I run both BF2 and SF at 1024x768 with medium detail on a GF6600GT with very little lag if any. I believe that most problems occur with high pings >100ms. IMHO servers such as TG with pings greater than >100ms are unplayable. but then that has always been the case for online games. When I first played CS shortly after it's release (and then became peed off with the AWPers) I never used to bother if the ping was >50ms it's just not worth the effort. I still think ping plays an important part in your gaming experience.
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Blunt on January 13, 2006, 11:44:05 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by outofsync@Jan 13 2006, 10:06 PM
I IMHO servers such as TG with pings greater than >100ms are unplayable. but then that has always been the case for online games. I still think ping plays an important part in your gaming experience.
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I find BF2 very tolerant of a high ping...

my kills/performance on TG seems no different to me although my ping is 5x what it is on MH 8) ...my ping is always more than 100 on tg
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Dewey on January 14, 2006, 01:00:38 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Wordan@Jan 13 2006, 08:08 PM
An extra GB of RAM did the trick. No more flashing black hillsides, tanks disapearing when looking from a helicopter, I can crank up the graphics again and minimise performs excellent too. Mind you most of that stuff worked before I installed special forces...

Didn't purchase from the cowboys, they were far to expensive for memory.
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Glad you got it sorted Wordan, now when are you going to get on the BF2 server so I can shoot you?  :dribble:
Title: BF2:SF
Post by: Wordan on January 14, 2006, 05:10:28 PM
I will gladly let you shoot me when I see people on the server to take the mind of the pain in my tooth