I'm not hard of reading. [/b]
I didnt say YOU were
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Mar 6 2006, 11:11 PM
Is that aimed at me?
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Quote ... most of whom have recently been inactive in supporting the community ...
Now who's hard of reading ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by OldBloke@Mar 6 2006, 11:19 PM
Now who's hard of reading ;)
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Okay you got me
I think you summation of what I said to you is a little harsh BB, what I said is below.
If you are referring to my response to some of the public posts then again i have to disagree. I thought I was quite reserved when I could have gone OTT. It's like some members think that the forums should only be for BF2 and anything else is an interruption of their lifestyle. The commands exist on the forum to read things very easily - we don't have to go out of our way to placate people, just to explain the role of the community - indeed where this has happened some have subsequently said 'ah yes, I see your point, you're right'.
And when you get people like Doggers taking regular potshots I really feel something needs to be said.
TL.
QuoteThe idea is that we have a public section to improve traffic. Much as some people do not care for the sheer volume of BF2 posts, some will not care for the WoW posts. The solution is quite simple - don't read them.
As you said, there are some initial post transfers that are having to be done manually, but it will die down a bit shortly.
When we upgrade forum software then user control like the above may or may not be possible, but as the whole thing is public I doubt it will.
They'll get used to it and it will slow. We're 800 members and so far there are about 20 SoG, so the balance is kind of in dMw's favour.......
TL.
Although its kinda daunting every time you press the "view new posts" tab ... I am the same as OB ... I just don't bother to look at the druids/rogue/ paladin(sp?)/WOW sections as they hold ZERO interest for me ......it takes a little more time to trawl through the many posts ATM ...but that is purely down to the mass migration of the SOG hordes ( hopefully)
The one post I hoped would have had a HUGE response from was the award from ed ...... ALL the old timers (no pun intended) should realise that these dont come easily ...and I was expecting a lot more as these guys who have been a part of dMw for the last few years should've responded to IMO .....including Doggers..as he was fundamental in the formation of this clan, then community...even *if* he is a man of few (but chosen) words even he should be proud of what he started, and what we have continued............... off the soap box now ...and slightly off topic ...sorry :blush:
If the forum does continue to receive posts in the amount we are presently experiencing then perhaps something may have to be done ... but I am firmly on the fence ATM ... sorry guys
I'm sure this is just a transitional period. Let's give it a week or two. I hope the SoG guys will integrate nicely, and that we come out of this a more diverse community.
My only criticism in all this, was in the lack of notice given to everyone. There was a statement made on Friday 3rd announcing SoG's arrival, and then the world went mad shortly after. Kinda like having to undergo a load of Ranger's being let loose all at once. :D
The increase in posting volume did make it easy to miss the announcement itself. Especially for one who uses the 'View New Posts' button habitually. :blush:
It blindsided me, and I know it left me with a 'WTH is going on?' feeling (until I found the announcement hidden amongst it all). But then my home PC died that very evening, so I've had other things on my plate... :rolleyes:
Can I suggest that if we're going to go through an integration exercise again, that a tad more consideration is shown to the existing community, by giving them the luxury of a head's up? Doesn't have to be much. Just telling folks a week before the event that the posting volume was going to skyrocket, and to give it a week or so to settle down after would've been enough.
I get the distinct impression that only the Head Admins knew in advance about the integration? Maybe if everyone down to game admin had been briefed beforehand, we could have been more effective at helping with the transition, and allaying any fears expressed by our existing membership?
People hate change, and all that, but can usually adapt when forewarned. ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by Cadaver@Mar 7 2006, 11:01 AM
I'm sure this is just a transitional period. Let's give it a week or two. I hope the SoG guys will integrate nicely, and that we come out of this a more diverse community.
My only criticism in all this, was in the lack of notice given to everyone. There was a statement made on Friday 3rd announcing SoG's arrival, and then the world went mad shortly after. Kinda like having to undergo a load of Ranger's being let loose all at once. :D
The increase in posting volume did make it easy to miss the announcement itself. Especially for one who uses the 'View New Posts' button habitually. :blush:
It blindsided me, and I know it left me with a 'WTH is going on?' feeling (until I found the announcement hidden amongst it all). But then my home PC died that very evening, so I've had other things on my plate... :rolleyes:
Can I suggest that if we're going to go through an integration exercise again, that a tad more consideration is shown to the existing community, by giving them the luxury of a head's up? Doesn't have to be much. Just telling folks a week before the event that the posting volume was going to skyrocket, and to give it a week or so to settle down after would've been enough.
I get the distinct impression that only the Head Admins knew in advance about the integration? Maybe if everyone down to game admin had been briefed beforehand, we could have been more effective at helping with the transition, and allaying any fears expressed by our existing membership?
People hate change, and all that, but can usually adapt when forewarned. ;)
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:withstupid:
things are settling down already :huggy:
:dmw:
QuoteOriginally posted by Cadaver@Mar 7 2006, 12:01 PM
Maybe if everyone down to game admin had been briefed beforehand, we could have been more effective at helping with the transition, and allaying any fears expressed by our existing membership?
They were advised (down to Section Admin). There is a special hidden section they can see at the moment called 'dMw Restructuring' in which just such information was given in advance.
But I'm glad it's cooling down.
TL.
Yup the heads up on this was crap - Just having a few days notice to vent any concerns on the matter would have been nice, put us all on the same song sheet and would have ended up with a greating to our guests worthy of dmw instead of the embarasment that we got
I keep hearing posts about our wow comunity .. dmw has/had a very small wow comunity already avctive ticking away in the background thats just been run over by a very large train with no way to stop it :(
An influx of members to dmw forums is good i do belive that ... I just think it was done in a way that got peoples back up and this is the flack
Oh applications ...we dont need to see these get em pm'ed to the officers...we dont want to see people getting kicked back because they didnt put a cross in the correct box
As for your post madness its great news and worthy of more it just came out on the wrong day
Whats done is done we can stick it under the banner of progress im sure .. and file this post in a box marked [as useless as a cock flavored lollypop :D]
QuoteOriginally posted by JonnyAppleSeed@Mar 7 2006, 01:03 PM
Yup the heads up on this was crap - Just having a few days notice to vent any concerns on the matter would have been nice
Err, the post went up on February 10th and was open to Section Admins and above.
And let's try to not double post stuff already answered and dealt with in other threads, otherwise it gets way too deja vue - thanks.
TL.
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Mar 7 2006, 12:52 PM
Err, the post went up on February 10th and was open to Section Admins and above.
I think a wider distribution of the information would have helped prepare people. An anouncement to the whole community on the 10th Feb would have prevented a lot of the negative posts. :)
That was not possible as at that stage nothing had been confirmed. However we told everyone what was likely to happen and then confirmed that the move was being prepared for on 28th March.
Unfortunately we can't tell everyone and the decision was taken during the restructuring process to go down to only Section Admin level, otherwise we get a very large committee involved which can lead to inaction. We'll reconsider it next time if soemthing like this happens again, but that's the way it happened and we figured Section Admins knowing put enough people in the loop.
TL.
Maybe in this case the loop was not big enough :D
It was a tough call. The 'loop' had only just been created. The creation of the new structure and appointments therein meant that the previous band of admins (most of whom were inactive) were relegated to bog-standard users. The best people active in their sections were appointed by the Section Admins to replace them (that's you lot by the way).
A lesson has been learnt. Now onwards and upwards.
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Mar 6 2006, 11:47 PM
I think you summation of what I said to you is a little harsh BB, what I said is below.
If you are referring to my response to some of the public posts then again i have to disagree. I thought I was quite reserved when I could have gone OTT. It's like some members think that the forums should only be for BF2 and anything else is an interruption of their lifestyle. The commands exist on the forum to read things very easily - we don't have to go out of our way to placate people, just to explain the role of the community - indeed where this has happened some have subsequently said 'ah yes, I see your point, you're right'.
And when you get people like Doggers taking regular potshots I really feel something needs to be said.
TL.
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Sorry TL but my perception of your response was that you were being completely dismissive. I don't know how you meant it but thats how I percieve. Not your problem or mine just how things are.
I'm glad for you that you find it easy to wade through all this stauff. I came home tonight to find another 3 pages of posts most of which are irrelevant to me. I think that the irony of this seems to be lost on some people. Many are saying "we just ignore the posts" I'm saying we can use the forum software to ignore the posts rather than having to do it manually.
Community, mmm. A reasonable number of the community were not happy with what was happening but their voice was ignored! I don't call that community.
I don't believe this has been handled well and I blame myself for that. When you first broached the idea I should have insisted then that as it was such a big change the opinion of the community should have been sought, after all we are here for their benefit not the other way around. Regrettably I didn't think to do so so I offer my apologies to all that were affected by this.
isnt there a way of sort of subscribing to the relavent forums that you want ......? :unsure:
oops just read on another page about a similar question...sorry :blush:
There is, it's called changing the forum software. We're looking at doing that at the moment.
BB, it was brand spanking new, bound to have initial teething issues and I had not had a single comment or complaint at the point we spoke. So my comment was hardly so dismissive as to cause your posts.
The 'community' is currently split - the poll even shows the split in opinion. Should we immediately use this as a basis for immediate change in the community and plit it into 4 separate forums for CZ, BF2, DMR and WoW? No. Give it time to settle, we don't need to throw anything out with the bath water by making hasty changes that we will later regret.
As for your regrets, well 20/20 is always helpful and yes it would have been nice to hear them form you beforehand rather than in the public forums. That's why we posted up the ideas a month ago for feedback, I too am sorry that this was not what we got.
Ignoring all this, we need to move forward. Posting levels will drop, people will learn to use the technology to avoid reading posts they don't want to read and we will upgrade/change the forum software to to help people do this, but we need to calm down and give things time to settle. A challenge is not a threat, it's an opportunity.
TL.
You know TL, I don't think you know how to say "I was at fault too"!
As you said, the point was discussed, however neither did you suggest that we bring it to the community. You do say you are sorry but it is written in a way that expresses disappointment that others didn't give you what you need rather than" I could have done something about it too"
Your post has just made up my mind for me on my course of action regarding my earlier PM.
I have no problem with the SoG migration. WoW doesn't concern me (that might be due to the fact i have no intrest in casting spells.)
I use the 'new posts' tab and it is a bit daunting when there's 3 pages, but a quick skim reveals theres only 2-3 that i might read.
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Mar 7 2006, 07:01 PM
You know TL, I don't think you know how to say "I was at fault too"!
As you said, the point was discussed, however neither did you suggest that we bring it to the community. You do say you are sorry but it is written in a way that expresses disappointment that others didn't give you what you need rather than" I could have done something about it too"
Your post has just made up my mind for me on my course of action regarding my earlier PM.
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well fancy posting something as intriguing as that and not spilling the beans :(