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Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 25, 2003, 03:05:14 PM
i recieved a western digital HD from the very generous lets help sheepy out coz he is 2 poor to afford his own stuff fund. due to mine having S.M.A.R.T problems, and has bad sectors.

thats in the past, well almost.

i cant get my pc 2 detect the new hard drive i have totally emptyd my limited idea tray as to how to fix it.

i have tryed a coupld of diffrent jumper positions on the hd its self, it is currently on cable select [i think].

it wont show up in my computer.
im using XP.

it detects it when i go through
-control panel
-add hardware.
-click on yes i have already connected it to the computer.
-it brings up a list of the harware on the comp. it has the HD on it. listed as [a little HD symbol] WDC AC31 3000R

I click on itand it does nothing.
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 25, 2003, 03:05:46 PM
ps any one got any ideas??????? :roll:
Title: HD problems
Post by: Stryker on February 25, 2003, 03:16:57 PM
Thats a very interesting way at installing a hard drive, Old William Gates would be proud of his No1 bumchum.

Now check out the bios for any issues, such as those on auto detect.... is the channel the HD on set to 32bit?

There are a raft of other settings too..... most of which I cant remember.  Just take a look.
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 25, 2003, 03:23:24 PM
me+bios = death to computer so i wont b doing that.
and i didnt understand anythink else u said.
Title: HD problems
Post by: Gandalf on February 25, 2003, 04:06:25 PM
you need to go into the bios to get your pc to recognise the HDD.

Simple rules. On IDE, one device master, other device slave. C-Select is rarely used. So if it is your second drive, and the other is a master, then set it as a slave.

Also, keep HDD's together, and CD/DVD's together as IDE runs at the same speed as the slowest item. So a HDD on with a CD will only run as fast as a HDD. (Maybe not the case with the new ultra ATA standards, but it used to be, so it is good practice to abide by this rule)

Finally, enter the bios. On the right should be an option for Auto Detect Hard Drives (Something like that) Go into that and select the default option it gives you (Usually 2, it will have a Y after it) then save and re-boot. That should be it!
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 25, 2003, 04:09:01 PM
right, have been in to bios, on ide 1 there are both HD's detected, and on ide 2 there is the cd rom as master and no slave.
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 25, 2003, 04:12:53 PM
basically everythink detects the HD except my computer, i think what im going to do i have to put it as master and install windows to it then put old one as slave and copy stuff across b4 the old HD dies a not very dignified death
Title: HD problems
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2003, 08:02:16 PM
Glad the drive arrived safely :-)

Cable Select only works if you have a proper CS cable. If you are using normal IDE cables then set master or slave.

There are loads of cases where a particular drive works as a slave but not as a master with another HD fitted (and vice versa). Trying the new one as master and old as slave may be an idea. Why not try that then use drive image, drive copy or ghost to image your old drive to the new one?
Title: HD problems
Post by: Stryker on February 25, 2003, 08:44:22 PM
u running XP sheepy?

if so you have to prep the hard disk using "Disk manager" in the control panel.
Title: HD problems
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on February 25, 2003, 10:11:40 PM
Never had to do that with xp myself.

Have you tried formating the drive from within xp. Right click on the drive icon and select format. It will ask if you want to, then really want to, say ok to all of these and off it goes. I am assuming it was sent to you empty, or has nothing on it that you need.
Title: HD problems
Post by: smilodon on February 25, 2003, 10:49:14 PM
Sheepy...

your problem appears to be that your BIOS can see the drive and XP recognises it as a connected device (thing). However XP cannot see it in windows explorer. Assuming I have this correct then your problem is simple. You have to format the drive either as NTFS or FAT32. Assuming you do this then XP will see the drive and you'll be able to install to and read from it.

Howvever...there's always a 'however'....you existing HDD is about to die. So you need XP on your new HDD.

Here's the plan  - disconnect the old HDD ribbon or power lead so XP cannot see it. Install the new HDD as the master on IDE 1 and install XP on it (use the NTFS file system when offered the choice)

Once you have XP installed on your new drive reconnect the old HDD as a slave on IDE 1 and re-boot. The new master HDD will be used and the old slave HDD will appear as a fixed drive (E: or F: or something). Now copy what ever you like from it to the new HDD.

Throw out the old drive (or sell it on Loot if you are evil) and you're sorted.

You could image the old drive onto the new one but you need special software to do that and it's more agro than a fresh install.


Sorted......I think  :?:
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 26, 2003, 10:40:16 AM
- i have tryd it as slave.
- it was fully formatted when it was set to me.
- i need to get a copy of xp again, as this is what i was wanting to do similoin.
Title: HD problems
Post by: smilodon on February 26, 2003, 01:16:17 PM
Aha Shlerpy  I see your problem.

Are you sure that the new HDD is partitioned and formated either NTFS or FAT32. I've never had a HDD that is delivered formated, usually they are blank. Either way you will need a copy of XP before you can go much further.
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 26, 2003, 03:55:36 PM
it wasnt new, bb sent it to me
Title: HD problems
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on February 26, 2003, 04:30:17 PM
This might be the reason its not seeing it. Not knowing what BB is running OS wise this could be it.

But as others have stated your best way will be do do a fresh install of xp onto  this drive and then copy every thing over.
Title: HD problems
Post by: smilodon on February 26, 2003, 07:14:26 PM
Quoteit wasnt new, bb sent it to me

Ah ha sorry Shrimpy I didn't know that  :D

Good luck anyway
Title: HD problems
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2003, 08:51:02 PM
Quoteit wasnt new, bb sent it to me
I'm pretty shure that I completely zapped the disk before sending. I don't think there was even a partition on it. If you are running XP then:

1. right click on "my computer" and select "manage".
2. select "disk management" under the "storage" option.
3. right click on the new disk. I believe the option you need is "create partition" (i can't see create at the moment as I do not have an unpartitioned disk but I can see "delete partition" so i assume that changes to create on a blank disk)
4. Right click on new partition and select format (if you get offered the option of quick format then take it).
5. If you want to make the new disk bootable you will have to set the partition to "active" (another right click I believe)

HTH
Title: HD problems
Post by: smilodon on February 26, 2003, 11:14:23 PM
There ya go slurpy.......

although as you are going to be installing Xp onto that drive I'm not sure what would happen if you tried to do it with the old drive still connected and running it's own XP? Two XP's?

I'm sure bigger brains that me will set you right though.

So partition away  :D
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 26, 2003, 11:25:42 PM
right, i get in to computer management,
and it says
disk 0  28.91gb [healthy system]  ->says there is no fault, but there is a smart fault [apparently]
disk 1 12.21gb [unalocated]


im realy tired now so im ogin 2 bed
Title: HD problems
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2003, 12:20:28 AM
the unallocated disk (the one I sent you) needs to be partitioned and formatted. Do that then it should appear as a valid data drive. If you can get hold of a copy of drive image or drive copy then it is much eaiser to copy the contents of your exisiting disk to the new one.
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 27, 2003, 11:24:43 AM
thanx its now formatting.
Title: HD problems
Post by: Stryker on February 27, 2003, 11:31:21 AM
May I suggest the most excellent book "The dummies guide to windows", not to be mistaken with "The brummies guide to widows".

And if thats a bit too 'stiff' for ya, then try "The thick bast&*£s guide to windows".  It was written by someone who failed their cooking GCSE.
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 27, 2003, 11:34:49 AM
well i now no about all this stuff.
i didnt no about the role back function till tut talked me through it. and i only knew how to put partitions in through bios coz thats how i was showed how at i12, i dont spend my days looking for hiddn functions in windowz
Title: HD problems
Post by: smilodon on February 27, 2003, 04:51:10 PM
QuoteAnd if thats a bit too 'stiff' for ya, then try "The thick bast&*£s guide to windows".  It was written by someone who failed their cooking GCSE.

Isn't that the official training guide for employees of PC World?
Title: HD problems
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on February 27, 2003, 06:28:51 PM
No thats far to advanced for them!
Title: HD problems
Post by: smilodon on February 27, 2003, 07:28:21 PM
I've managed to get a copy of the literature list for the PC World Staff Induction Course and you're right, it's not on it.

What is on it though, is........

"Extended Warrantees" - How to sell a three year warrantee on a product which costs more than the product itself.

"It's a virus, you'll need a new PC"- Problem solving techniques.

"Can I help you Sir?"- How to pester a customer who is just browsing, and then magically disappear on your tea break when they actually want some advice.

"Mein Kampf"- Training manual for PC World Security Staff.

"Indifference Techniques"- How to run a customer service counter.

"Nothing from the neck up"- Technical Training Manual.

"Run and hide"- A guide to your first day on the job.

"The land that time forgot"- Running your own till.

The list goes on
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 27, 2003, 07:31:42 PM
the HD is now detectable, and workign fine, i just need xp to put on it.
Title: HD problems
Post by: smilodon on February 27, 2003, 07:36:33 PM
Blueball's idea of copying the whole disk across is better than mine.

But I have a slightly better haircut
Title: HD problems
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on February 27, 2003, 09:51:02 PM
Another option would be to use the clone facility of Norton Ghost. You can clone a disk or partition to anther disk or partition.
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on February 28, 2003, 11:34:54 AM
shame its only a 12 gig HD and i have 18 gig of data that needs to go on to it.
Title: HD problems
Post by: Benny on February 28, 2003, 11:39:13 AM
Jam it on real quick and the drive won't notice.
Title: HD problems
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2003, 07:11:37 PM
Quoteshame its only a 12 gig HD and i have 18 gig of data that needs to go on to it.
Geez sorry, I'll send the missing 6 Gig straight away :-)

Or maybe the postie stole it ;-)
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on March 01, 2003, 07:19:43 PM
nah it dsont matter at all

just meens i delect all my sisters crap
Title: HD problems
Post by: Gandalf on March 01, 2003, 07:21:07 PM
Quotenah it dsont matter at all

just meens i delect all my sisters crap

 :wtf:

best spelling mistake yet!!!!  :lol:
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on March 01, 2003, 07:25:48 PM
im VERY hungover.

dont feel very wel lat all.
Title: HD problems
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on March 02, 2003, 07:17:01 PM
Shock Horror Sheepy is hung over again!!
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on March 02, 2003, 07:47:56 PM
i didnt feel well on the sunday after as well till i had another drink and a BIG roast dinner
Title: HD problems
Post by: DarkAngel on March 02, 2003, 11:09:20 PM
Why are you using XP i wouldnt touch it with a barg pole nasty thing they rushed the produstion of that...
Title: HD problems
Post by: Doorman on March 03, 2003, 12:08:29 AM
QuoteWhy are you using XP i wouldnt touch it with a barg pole nasty thing they rushed the produstion of that...
Oh no! Not another anti XP stick-in-the-mud. You've been reading too many Smilodon posts.
Title: HD problems
Post by: smilodon on March 03, 2003, 12:18:47 AM
Quote
QuoteWhy are you using XP i wouldnt touch it with a barg pole nasty thing they rushed the produstion of that...
Oh no! Not another anti XP stick-in-the-mud. You've been reading too many Smilodon posts.

I do not slate XP. Apart from the  fact that the install process is riddled with plugs for MSN, .net passports and the like, once it's on your PC and all the nonsense has been turned of, it's a very good OS.

I slate Microsoft... there's a difference  :)
Title: HD problems
Post by: DarkAngel on March 03, 2003, 12:30:59 AM
I make up me own minds just dont like the os used it on one of my other machines screwed it up well bad had to reformat it seems it didnt like it ahh maybe for the best.
Title: HD problems
Post by: smilodon on March 03, 2003, 02:39:52 AM
what ever floats your boat  :D

If it wasn't for my addiction to PC games I'd be dancing with the penguin on a full time basis.
Title: HD problems
Post by: Stryker on March 03, 2003, 09:50:48 AM
XP RULEZ!  :whip:
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on March 03, 2003, 11:32:36 AM
ive only managed to lock up XP two times since ive been using it. now thats bloody good for me and an OS
Title: HD problems
Post by: Gandalf on March 03, 2003, 01:21:17 PM
and the fact that 'System Restore' is probably the best thing mr softy has ever released.

Though you do sacrifice some hd space, it more than makes up for it if you trash your system and are able to just 'roll back'
Title: HD problems
Post by: sheepy on March 03, 2003, 01:28:39 PM
agreed this hassaved me a couple of times!