i dont no how reliable my readings are but they r the ones from bios.
i took these readings with only 1 exaust fan working [there are normally 2 exaust and 2 intake]
cpu 29 degrees
system 27 degrees
but i dont believe that cpu temp, as i can touch the base of the HS after i have been playing CS for ages and its still cold!
i was wondering what other ppls temps are just as comparison, ps this is b4 overclocking, i cant get the o/cing utilitys to work at the moment.
Um, I only see my CPU temp when it crashes and reboots, and it's normally around 55, but then I've got a beige case and no extra cooling.
XP1900+
3 HDs
Geforce3 Ti500
Chieftec case with 5 case fans, 2 front, 2 back, and 1 on the side.
CPU: 41 deg C
Case: 29 deg C
think u know my cooling setup :-)
Athlon 2200+ XP
37C Idle
39C Busy
The idle/busy temps are so close because the water cool system has a much higher heat absorbtion factor.
And yes, I wouldn't trust a bios temp as far as I could throw it.... which aint far as its attached to my motherboard that is attached to the case and my pc is darn heavy :-)
Most peeps buy those nice temp probes with the 5-1/4 drive bay mounts for the readout.... the probe is usually paper thin and should be poked inbetween the heatsink and chip as close to the CPU core as pos.
Some motherboards ignore the cpu temp diode and simply read the temp from the probe in the middle of the cpu socket.... which will be way out.
im actually quite suprised at strykers cooling. ive seen much better cooling from water cooling systems. ie ive seen a 1gig processor clocked to 1.5 gig and still funning at about 30 deg.
benny, get your cooling sorted m8, r u going to the lan?? if u are u can add another 10-20% on computer temps at least when your at a lan, so put some fans in or something. just and exaust [on top] and an intake on the side over the grafx etc cards will probably take that down by 7-10 deg ish. i think u may actually need a new heatsink as well as its bad having it running that hot, reduces the life of your processor. around 70 deg is frying temp.
That is exactly why I don't trust motherboard temps. I'd been complaining of that on the O/C forums and was told my MSI motherboard temp sensors were out by over 8C !!!! Think in reality its more like 29C idle and 32C busy.
A decent water cool system will keep equipment within 8-15C of ambient temps.
i am soon getting a temp sensor lec readout thingy for the front, im getting this before i overclock. [so that i can run all the new games comming out]
ps stryker i think that my readings are WELL above my real temps.
no, with air cooling I reckon those temps are WAY below the real temps. If your motherboard is using air temps then having a good heatsink and fan shifts the air round your cpu socket giving too low temps based on air sensors...... hence why my water cool (fanless) temps are up...... you've been warned.
Get a decent temp probe B4 your over clocking (as you suggested)
i think that my temps are far 2 high because my heatsink is still cold to touch even under periods of load.
Quoter u going to the lan?? if u are u can add another 10-20% on computer temps at least when your at a lan
Why?
the heat generated by all them pcs and ppl in a confined area makes your pc temp soar.
trust me, some one that we sit with at i-events has lcd temp monitors on his tower and his temp goes up by atleast 10 deg. [this was his old case with 4/5 fans extra in a full tower.
i have very nearly fryed my pc 2x in 2 events. both times i had to run it with the case off till i got the cooling sorted. once by getting a new intake and 2nd time by putting the top blowhole in.
hey baby, when were all in the same room it gets hot.
Sheepy, you heatsink with all its radials has feet of surface space to disipate the heat. You CPU is generating around 60 watts of heat.... if your heatsink were the size of a 50 pence peice then it would burn your fingers.... so a cool heatsink isnt what you'd first think.
QuoteQuoter u going to the lan?? if u are u can add another 10-20% on computer temps at least when your at a lan
Why?[/b]
Because the room temperature i.e. the temperature of the air that cools all the components will be higher with say 30-40 computers in the same room. As the temperature is raised the cooling will be less and a further increase in temperature will be registered until an equilibrium is reached (or someone opens the window).
oops, that was me as guest :-)
Quoteso a cool heatsink isnt what you'd first think.
well on my old heatsink it was hot, my ive now got a coolermaster heatsink its fine.
and what was the price difference between the two heat sinks?
QuoteQuoteQuoter u going to the lan?? if u are u can add another 10-20% on computer temps at least when your at a lan
Why?[/b]
Because the room temperature i.e. the temperature of the air that cools all the components will be higher with say 30-40 computers in the same room. As the temperature is raised the cooling will be less and a further increase in temperature will be registered until an equilibrium is reached (or someone opens the window).[/b]
Oh Joy, make sure you all wash for the LAN, gaming geeks I can accept, excess body odour is too much! 8O
Quoteand what was the price difference between the two heat sinks?
the 1st one what the bog standard athlon cooler.
the new one is a coolermaster one that i got from maplin for a FIVER!
Heatsinks and fans, watercooling.
You talk like amateurs my lords!
What you want is one of these
peltier (http://www.peltier-info.com/info.html)
Watch out for that condensation and ice now!! :twisted:
that seems somewhat cheap, esp as their latest heatsinks are £30.
Anyways, fyi two heatsinks of the same size on the same system can give different results and feel hotter/cooler just oweing to their being made from different materials and the thermal paste used......
Its rate and speed of heat that the heatsink can disipate that counts. I think overclockers generally go up to 10% (or 15% with a push) with air cooling.
So that would be 200Mhz on a 2gig chip. (or 300mhz risking very shortened chip life)
not that were amatures as u put it, its that we use things at our disposal. ps got bored after a couple of lines and gave up reading that page
Quote
What you want is one of these peltier
Now dont give the child dangerous whacky ideas :-)
Pelts are only really any good with water cooling as to cool a overclocked chip you need something like a 250Watt peltier so even MORE heat for the cooling system to disipate.
Also you need shit loads of dyaletic grease and silicon sealant and closed cell foam to prevent the condensation.
ps i dont understand a word that stryker just said
The peltier is a proccess descovered by some dead french dude who smelt of garlic, cheese and goats.... Anyway, one day he was messing with this new fangled electricity thing as opposed to finding someone to surender to.... some time around 1880 ish.... I think... or was that 1935? who cares.
The peltier (also his name) is a sandwitch of metals that when a DC current is put across them transfer all of the heat from the one side to the other..... hence one side is icy cold (cpu side) while the other side is burning hot (water cooler side).
Quoteps i dont understand a word that stryker just said
Now you know how we feel when we read your posts.. :twisted:
why didnt u just say water cooling radiator thingy, i would have known what u ment, i just didnty no what a pelter was, but now i do.
errm the radiator cools the coolant, the peltier cools the cpu while heating the coolant.
i no how they r setup etc but not what everything is called never having had one myself.
w00t my fanbus and rubber moulding arrived just a min ago.
6 switch fanbus for 26:34 inc delivery
and 5m of rubber edging for windows, blowholes etc.
All this talk of cooling is making me feel I'm running a barbeque for a pc. What's the perceived wisdom for getting air into the case. My setup started life as a 300mhz P2 from Tiny. I have changed EVERTHING except the floppy drive and of course the case. I did fit an extractor fan in a pci slot apperture but I'm not sure it does much! I've also had a fan on the front in a spare bay, but that soon started making a racket so I turned that off. I've also got a Zalman flower jobbie turned up full. Do I need to do any more. I've no idea what the tempratures are.
2gig P4 is running seemingly smoothly but I can easily be made to feel paranoid.
go online and lookup and download "Mother Board Monitor 5". Then see what it says about your temps. OR dust off that never used CD of drivers that came with your motherboard and see if its got its own windows temp and fan RPM monitor.
Second..... how do you turn up a Zalman flower? its fanless.
QuoteSecond..... how do you turn up a Zalman flower? its fanless.
...apart from the fan that comes with it, obviously.
File under "Kettles, black", cross-reference with "Pots, black". :stupid:
doorman as ur using intel u should b ok as they tend to b cooler than amd [i think]. without looking at your case i think u may b helped with more case cooling. as the flower's depend on a coolish case dont they???? tealeaf may know more.couldnt hurt to put in a couple of fans. its not going to cost u more than fifteen quid and u may need it for lans etc.
stryker i think he meens that he has the fan bloking on to the zelman turned up to full.
Quotego online and lookup and download "Mother Board Monitor 5". Then see what it says about your temps.
I did just that and now I'm
really scared!
I followed the instructions as well as I could and ended up with 4 sets of numbers in the task bar. They read from L to R 35(black) 70(red) 58(blue) and 0(maroon) these started out a degree or two higher than than so I removed the side of the pc and directed a household type fan at it. From what you guys are talking about these figures seem terrifyingly high! Gulp!
Quoteps stryker i think that my readings are WELL above my real temps.
Please remember that the heat load depends a lot on the type of CPU you have running, let alone the number of other bits like HDDs etc you run within your case. If you have an old CPU you could probably hold an ice-cream in it, the newer cpus pump out a lot more heat than you think sheepy.
It also depends upon your location - for example, my mobo is currently 42 and my CPU 49 degrees. But my PC has a heap of gear in it and is running a 2Ghz Athlon, but I am also in a room with a laser printer, fax, ADF scanner, server 3 monitors, and additional PC. Plus lamps and radiators. That's a lot of heat to add to ambient before you even start air-cooling........that's why me is drooling at the prospect of Prometeia :D and more realistically looking to follow Stryker down the water cooled route....
TL. 8)
well with my case its usually 2-3 deg cooler than room temp with all htefans running [old case] new case has better cooling and more fans so probably runs 5-6 deg cooler, with fans at 1/2 speed, have yet 2 check it tho
Quotewell with my case its usually 2-3 deg cooler than room temp with all htefans running [old case] new case has better cooling and more fans so probably runs 5-6 deg cooler, with fans at 1/2 speed, have yet 2 check it tho
Sheepy, that statement suggest that your temperature readings are wrong. Air cooling taking you lower than ambient?!? This does not happen unless your fans are big enough to cause 'windchill'.
I think you have a faulty temperature reading there m8 :(
TL. 8)
ambient as in room temp soz, i ment room temp is higher than than the comp temp. , im pissd forive me
Quoteambient as in room temp soz, i ment room temp is higher than than the comp temp. , im pissd forive me
Ambient temperature is the temperature of the environment that your computer sits in. i.e. room temperature.
Unless your have some sort of Formula 1 wind tunnel in your PC case it is unlikely that blowing air at say 23 degrees across a heat sink will cause the temperature of the mobo/CPU to go any lower than 23 degrees.
I still think you have some dodgy temperature readings.....when you get your temp bus for the front bays then you'll have a better idea of the real temp.
TL. 8)
Quote from: TeaLeafQuotethat's why me is drooling at the prospect of Prometeia :D and more realistically looking to follow Stryker down the water cooled route....
TL. 8)
remember, unless you use something like a water cooler tower the temps are still very reliant on ambient temp! only diff is water cooling can get the cpu temp much closer to ambient..
also if your room temp is too hight you can just stick your radiator on longer hoses and place it on your windowcill :-)
TL is right, its a physics thing, the rad cannot be cooler than ambient!!!! heat only goes one way, from hotter thing to cooler thing..... I don't think windchill works in this situation either! :-) unless alska's eco system is carrying its air flow in thru sheepy's window and through his case :-)