Please can we up the server limit? I am frustrated at not being able to join my own clan server - I see that there are 4 dMw clan members on the server tonight. I wonder how many are trying to get on?
I am NOT against all the PCS people playing as long as (selfishly) I can get on :twisted:.
Things are so bad I just bound F9 to the "retry" command :cry:
Can we not go back to 20 player limit?
I thought that Baldric was supposed to be an overflow server, but the password is not what I thought it was, i.e. the same as the hook :(
If the limit is not going to be raised can you get Baldrics password reset, puhhleaze :P
:x Finally got on, played 5 rounds, CS crashed, restarted it and SERVER FULL AGAIN!!!! :x
QuoteI thought that Baldric was supposed to be an overflow server
It is, but playing 1 v 1 is not my idea of a good night of CS :-(
This is a difficult one to remedy I'm afraid BB.
The simple truth is that anything over 8v8 is not PCS.
If we up the limit then the gameplay suffers. :?
Reserved slots that kick for dMw players.....I'm not nasty really.
I understand the frustration of being locked out of your own server - I have been there myself. But it is important that we start overflowing onto Baldric rather than just waiting for a slot on Homer.
Personally I prefer the better gameplay that 8 v 8 gives us, higher numbers had us all complaining at the DM style that developed on some maps.
The server pw for baldric should be the same as homer - apologies if it was not - I'll try to go have a look and reset it.
TL. 8)
Selfishly I don't agree with reserved slots. I did drop off this evening specifically to see if there was any action on the other server. As it was empty I jumped straight back on 27015.
Firstly you have to decide is the server for dMw members or the PCS community. If it's for the latter then theoretically I have as much right to a slot as a dMw player. If the server was a subscription (i.e dMw players paid for it) then obvioulsy it a completely different matter and dMw should always get preference. If the server is for dMw first and us commoners second, reserved slots seems the only way. The trouble is that the community that you have built up will quickly disappear if non dMw players get booted off in the middle of a game. I ran a paid for 12 slot server and as admin I got loads of abuse from complete strangers, when they were kicked to allow a paid up clan member on.
Maybe the dMw should try to join both servers randomly. As I'm sure many dMw stay in touch in other ways than just this forum (ICQ, phone etc.) maybe some of them could agree to use the other server before hand. If non dMw players see both servers with four or so players on, then they should fill evenly.
I do feel that finding ways to fill both servers with a good mix of dMw, PCS regulars and new visitors is the way you should go.
Just my pennies worth :)
I am fully for the fact that the MeatHook should be for PCS and not exclusively dMw. Yes, the dMw peeps did pay for it but TBH (and correct me if I'm wrong) it was paid for by PCS players not exclusively dMw (I'm sure I hadn't joined dMw when I forked out). That said, I didn't offer to contribute because I wanted a reserved slot; I donated because I believed in what these guys were doing (and still do). IMHO PCS is more important than dMw, it doesn't matter what clan you are in, it's the attitude that counts and I believe that PCS should exist whether dMw does or not (i believe dMw will though 'coz we're just so bloody nice).
That said, I WANNA GET ON THE BUSY SERVER ;-)
Sage words. Maybe as soon as a server is full a dMw admin (if there is one) or a dMw members grabs a handfull of regulars (oh err) and jumps across to the other server. Regulars will know whats going on so it should be relatively simple to get them to switch.
if the problem is that only about 4 (just a guess) people cant get on the server because its full, and dont want to go to baldric because 2v2 is pants then reduce the server limit of meathook by 2-4 or some reasonable number so you can get more ppl on baldric and everyone can get a game. personally i prefer games with smaller teams so i wouldnt mind a ittle game on baldric 8)
when the server is ful if only we could get a few ppl to drop to the otehr server then get a game started there, makybe if we get a few dropping when the sevre is full then we could get both sevrers goiung.
I think it's that critical mass thing.
If the server is empty I won't go on.
If there are 1-3 players I still won't go on as I'm not good enough to make 2v2 fun for my partner.
If there are 5 players plus I connect.
Someone else is going to do it completely differently. Sadako might relish a 1v1 with Blueball for example. I'd just die a lot.
As soon as we see a few players on the server we join. So it seems straight forward enough that when one server fills to 16 then, for example, six players move across, creating a 10 server and a 6 server. Both servers will then fill up evenly, right up to 16 on each if necessary. The problem seems to be making that initial jump from one server to the other. I still think a dMw senior/player/admin or whatever can ask/order five other players across to the empty server. After a while it may well become second nature, like balancing the teams.
QuoteIf there are 1-3 players I still won't go on as I'm not good enough to make 2v2 fun for my partner.
That's a shame as I think I learned more playing on small teams with people like Sadako, TL and oldie (apologies if I've missed anyone) than I do in big matches. I didn't get as bad as I am today with out being crap :-)
QuoteSomeone else is going to do it completely differently. Sadako might relish a 1v1 with Blueball for example. I'd just die a lot.
And what makes you different to me :-)
QuoteAs soon as we see a few players on the server we join. So it seems straight forward enough that when one server fills to 16 then, for example, six players move across, creating a 10 server and a 6 server. Both servers will then fill up evenly, right up to 16 on each if necessary.
Now that is an excellent idea. Can we make this policy?
QuoteThe problem seems to be making that initial jump from one server to the other. I still think a dMw senior/player/admin or whatever can ask/order five other players across to the empty server. After a while it may well become second nature, like balancing the teams.
Well, I'm not into ordering but I'm sure if the regulars lead then others would follow?
There's only one way to findout - I'll try it next time I am on MH and it gets full, I will pull some peeps me and 5 others) to Baldric.
Just remember, the only downside of this is on dMw match nights where at a predetermined time a bunch of players will disappear. So if they do disappear you need to be checking the other server's population to make sure that you have crtical mass to play decent PCS.
TL. 8)
I actually got a game going on Baldric 2-3 weeks ago. We had a 3 on 3 when MH was full. Me and one other (sorry can't remember who) moved from cbm to Baldric and within 5 mins we had 6 ppl on the server. I suggested that we play small maps only until more join or we all could move over to MH. We had many fun games.
QuoteI think it's that critical mass thing.
If the server is empty I won't go on.
If there are 1-3 players I still won't go on as I'm not good enough to make 2v2 fun for my partner.
If there are 5 players plus I connect.
If you aren't a part of the solution you're a part of the problem.
This is a community and everybody are
equally responsible to get a game going if they want to play. If more people would idle both servers would be filled up in no time. I also think that the games would be starting a bit earlier in the evening than now.
We have at the moment more than 130 registered users in the forums even more are signed up for pcs. I think it is strange that we can not fill 32 slots now when we easily could fill up 24 a few weeks ago ...
I say that we should keep 16 the limit as it have improved gameplay and PCS.
My five,
What he said /
I've tried connecting to the server and minimising the screen, and then keeping an eye on Half-Life Manager to see if anyone else connects. This way I can do other stuff while I'm waiting for another person to connection like read e-mail etc etc.
The problem is that when I maximise the CS screen it either crashes completely or on the very rare accassion it stays up there is no sound, so I have to restart. Is it just me or do others have this problem?
I play CS for fun, and while I take the point that it needs those first few people to connect in order to get a game going, I really don't enjoy 1v1 or 2v2. I know some people love these very small games but each to their own. However I for one will make more effort to connect first.
As to the problem with match nights, it's simple....a third server :wink:
I've still got my Athlon 2100XP that could go in the pot
You are not alone. I find that CS is a hog and brooks no interference from anything else. I have even taken to having HLM turned off on connection. ICQ is another interfering busybody.
Sorry I had meant my first post to have a :wink: after it...wasn't meant as bait.
Regarding the rest of the posts, I think the sweeping idea is good, we should endeavour to keep it random though.
The lower numbers will, IMHO, help encourage PCS gameplay.
I knwo the problem Smilodon. Take a piss, make a cup of coffee, and then check if someone has joined. Ppl understand that you idle and that you will show up any minute.
Not as easy as you think guys ...
There's 16 on the Meat Hook so an admin asks 6 to go to Baldric.
There's now 10 on MH and 6 on Baldric.
My common sense says that anyone else trying for a PCS game will simply join MH. :?
I'd take the smaller, but I'm used to the smaller things in life...
QuoteNot as easy as you think guys ...
There's 16 on the Meat Hook so an admin asks 6 to go to Baldric.
There's now 10 on MH and 6 on Baldric.
My common sense says that anyone else trying for a PCS game will simply join MH. :?
That's a fair point, but I'm sure there were more than just Benny looking for a slot last night. My point is that had he turned up last night and seen MH with 16 on it but Baldric with 6, he would have joined Baldric and got a game.
I see the point that most people would join a server with ten bods rather than six. However as soon as the 10 server became full the 6 server would immediately take the extra players.
or something
look, a 10 player server is stupid.... I'd say 8 a side is a minimum.
Either you're taking the piss or my word science has failed me again............my word science has failed me again.
I was assuming that all the servers remain 16 slot. By 10 server I meant a 16 slot server with 10 players on it and a 6 server was a 16 slot server with 6 players on it.
Sorry that I didn't explain it better.
this sevrer swaping didnt work to well last night, there were 13/14 players on the MH, i had a couple of things to do, so i went away, came back and joined, there were then 3 ppl on, i asked where they had all gone, and it was over to baldric!
not jsut a few players leaving but nearly every 1 did!!!
then we managed after about an hour of play to get it up to 8 ppl. i assume that more ppl were joining baldric, can we have ppl joining the less full server plz.
QuoteThe problem is that when I maximise the CS screen it either crashes completely or on the very rare accassion it stays up there is no sound, so I have to restart. Is it just me or do others have this problem?
Smilodon, try pressing esc and then select resume game to reset your sound. It works for me! 8)
QuoteI know the problem Smilodon. Take a piss, make a cup of coffee, and then check if someone has joined. Ppl understand that you idle and that you will show up any minute.
Is it my imagination or is being engaged agreeing with the 'Ruotsalainen'? I do believe he's lightening up a little. 'Take a piss' indeed! :D
QuoteQuoteThe problem is that when I maximise the CS screen it either crashes completely or on the very rare accassion it stays up there is no sound, so I have to restart. Is it just me or do others have this problem?
Smilodon, try pressing esc and then select resume game to reset your sound. It works for me! 8)
and it works for me too :D
I will no idle away on the server to my hearts content.
I just use All-Seeing Eye about 8:30 in the evening and keep refreshing it until I see a slot on either.
If its full on MH and i see someone idling on Baldric then I'd be more than happy to make up a one-on-one. Saves checking every 15m minutes for a slot on MH. There's always others in that position looking for a game and we know it'd snowball so there'd be enough on both quite soon.
If I was on MH it'd have to be someone in authority though (not necessarily an admin, but a regular DMW / PCS player) to get enough people to change. Otherwise I think there'll be resistance to get people to leave a game in full swing, especially if they don't play a great deal and are au fait with the two server set up.
or get a few ppl to swap at the end of a map i think this is what TL did the other night but all but 3 ppl swaped!!!!!!
The idea is that whenever MH is full that we transfer some people to Baldric so that we get another game going, leaving both with sufficient players. It was a little unfortunate the other night when slightly more than requested swapped over :oops:
TL. 8)
But the principle is still sound :)
:stupid:
AS for most maps there needs to be an extra player is it ok to surgest that the server limit be incresed to 17? That way we can make teams much fairer by just moving one player around instead of 3 or 4??
I think we are getting our threads confused here as there are 2 issues:
1 - Having an odd number of slots on the server would in theory give you the ability to better balance the teams. Unfortunately we rarely adjust team sizes by as little as one, so in reality, changing he server limit to 17 would not real have any effect on the balance of teams.
2 - The above talk of changing 3-4 players was I believe to do with starting an0other game on Baldric. We have 2 PCS servers, but people are naturally a little reluctant to idle in an empty server. The sugegstion was that when MeatHook becomes full (or approaches full), that a seed group of players transfer to Baldric to start a game over there. This will mean that 32 slots in total are available to PCS players. This will have far more impact than increasing MH's maxplayers to 17.
TL. 8)
I'm with the guy with the funny hat 8)
What he said :stupid:
Are we still keeping tabs on number of spawn points? Especially with the new maps..
QuoteWhat he said :stupid:
Are we still keeping tabs on number of spawn points? Especially with the new maps..
If we stay below 20 there is no problem.
its ok saving that if the servers full certain people will flow over but as like today couldnt get on the server for 20 mins and no one was on other server while the mh was full.
That's unfortunate and I know this from experience as I have been there too. However, increasing the server slots on Homer does not solve all problems, it just creates a different problem. The trick is for the PCS community to move a seed group to Baldric as it approaches capacity.
Otherwise, idling in Baldric is the way forward.........someone has to do first.
TL. 8)
Last night after the match MH was full and there were 4 or 5 on Baldric. Get on Baldric and you will get a game going. :D
Yep, 4 people went across from a full Meathook.....and no more joined, so we came back.......b@stards!!
Meanwhile there were 13 on Meathook...I'm quite happy to go across, but an even split would be nice until the habit of joining a smaller server kicks in.
If you seed 6 to Baldric then 10 remain on MH....
TL. 8)
just my tuppence. People join Meathook as a preference, so 8 should join Baldric as all newcomers invariably join Meathook, until we can change that mentality?
baldric also often seems to be set up for match play. $800 starting cash and forced chase cams. Is this the default or does it sometimes just get left that way from a match. Spending as long as I do 'dead' it would be nice to float about. Especially while we're doing the new map thing :?:
this was just a mistake i think.
Mistake! It's not good enough I say. Lets get it fixed people. Do you think we do this for fun?!
err....ohh :(
Quote:x Finally got on, played 5 rounds, CS crashed, restarted it and SERVER FULL AGAIN!!!! :x
I'm getting vibes of, yes, anger. Am I right? Take deep breaths and then go to Baldric. The 'hanging around' theory does work. What happens is this. People see MH is full and go somewhere else for the evening. If they see someone on Bldrck (cant really shorten that) then......etc. etc.
If there are 1-3 players I still won't go on as I'm not good enough to make 2v2 fun for my partner. (A quote from a Smilodon post ages ago)
Nonsense!
Hey you're right Doorman. I'm not poo.....
I'm a I337 haxxor god. I ownz on every map and will frag yo monkey ass with my pointy bullets. Bring it on, for I am a mighty frag-whore and roxxors and stuff.
Phew!
QuoteHey you're right Doorman. I'm not poo.....
I'm a I337 haxxor god. I ownz on every map and will frag yo monkey ass with my pointy bullets. Bring it on, for I am a mighty frag-whore and roxxors and stuff.
Phew!
Oooeeeerrr! Me scared now
runs and hides
Quote If they see someone on Bldrck (cant really shorten that)
How about BC. MH and BC ... works I think.
Cheers,
QuoteQuote If they see someone on Bldrck (cant really shorten that)
How about BC. MH and BC ... works I think.
Cheers,[/b]
B & M even shorter :wink:
QuoteQuoteQuote If they see someone on Bldrck (cant really shorten that)
How about BC. MH and BC ... works I think.
Cheers,[/b]
B & M even shorter :wink:[/b]
sure but MH is allready in use ...
QuoteHey you're right Doorman. I'm not poo.....
I'm a I337 haxxor god. I ownz on every map and will frag yo monkey ass with my pointy bullets. Bring it on, for I am a mighty frag-whore and roxxors and stuff.
Phew!
Nonsense!
BLDRK?
BDRK?
BRK?
BK?
The 'official' shortened titles for the Meat Hook and Baldric are ...
'The Hook' or 'The Meat Hook' and
'Balders'
The more astute amongst you will quickly realise that some poetic license has been applied to the term 'shortened'. 8)
i just call the meat hook = MH
and baldric just stays how he is
I shall call them Susan and Mr. Bojangels respectively...... :D
huh
Hey DA welcome to Smileys wonderful world of............ Hmmm not sure how you'd label it really?
huh? (now i confused)
Good the plan is working then.