So, now we got 2.5 sec gheal...which is great....as long as we can use it properly. What happened 50% of the time though is that my target get's healed before it lands causing a lot of overhealing. And with the lag we had yesterday there is just no way of effectively cancelling the heal.
My impression is that the main cause of overhealing is the use of emergency monitor. In my opinion we should all stop using it and give healers one or two groups to focus their healing on. Which group can be decided at the start of each raid, but as a general rule we could do something like healers in group 1 and 2 heal group 1 and 2 and so on.
Using emergency monitor to heal is really really bad for healing efficiency. The top target gets overhealed a LOT.
This doesn't just concern priests, but all healers.
Any thoughts?
well imo.. if the top target needs to be healed alot.. then let him get an over heal..
imo its better an overheal then a death ;)
but i see things from a diff perspective..
Overheal is wasted mana, wasted mana means less heals later in the fight.
Please keep in mind I'm not talking about MT healing on Broodlord/Firemaw here. Just the most damaged player in a trash-fight.
Dead MT means shorter fight and dead squishies. Do what he said ;)
TL.
Tl said it all :woot2:
Rather an overheal than a repair bill!
My point is that it is not needed. If we have aprox 2 healers covering every 2 groups we can reduce the amount of overhealing. 2 healers can easily do this.
This is mana saved which can come in handy when we by accident pull a second group.
Also remember when we try to go faster through MC there is little time to sit down and regen mana. More efficient healing will also allow us to clear MC faster.
Once again, I am NOT talking about healing on BWL bosses where the we need to overheal quite a bit because of the spike damage.
I've read several posts about guilds not allowing the use of emergency monitor just for this purpose. I also know that some healers in SOG don't use it.
Regarding the repairbill you are so afraid of, if I'm out of mana and shit hits the fan I drink a mana pot to be able to heal. Effectively paying your repairbill.
Some input other then "omgz heal us so we don't die" would be nice. :P
In a way I have to say that I kind of support Sithas post on this matter. I know that I self tend to use the emergency monitor a bit too often, and that's actually not the best way to do things. The emergency monitor should really only be for that: emergencies, not constant healing during the whole raid.
Just to give a small example: I've had a few chats with Lunares about healing done during raids, and what I've noticed from my recap, is that Lunares is very often the #1 healer with more than 1'000'000 healing going out (and I can't once remember to have seen him not in top 3). His overhealing is also very low. And he doesn't use emergency monitor!
This only proves that it's possible. But the way it is now, it would be kind of hard, because if none used the emergency monitor, the chance of dieing for those who should suddenly drop really fast on health would be quite big I think.
But these are just my thoughts atm as I read this :)
It probably would require our healing to be more organized, not the "everyone heal everyone" system we have now. Probably a bit harder and maybe we will have some more deaths in the start.
But in the end it will give us better healing, more remaining mana after a fight. Which again makes us better at handling and adapting to the unforseen.
I 100% support sitha about overhealing, it shouldnt need to be as high at 40% in some cases, but the average overheal of the guild is usually around 30%
30% wasted mana = roughly 30 k mana wasted PER fight
Which = 40 SWP and 40 Moonfire SPAMAMAAMAMAMAM
The way my daggerspine guild did it was........
Druids + Priest focus on their groups. . . pallies focus on emergency monitor usually using their reallly quick casting spell to miniamize over heal. Simple effective and about 10% over heal for the whole raid
yeah and what happens when the grp1/2 or any other groups priest and druid dies? (which does happen)
mummy comes and bandages my ar se?
its not a totally bad idea, but it has major flaws that would cause major wipes, so no thanks..
QuoteOriginally posted by Gorion@Mar 31 2006, 03:35 PM
yeah and what happens when the grp1/2 or any other groups priest and druid dies? (which does happen)
mummy comes and bandages my ar se?
its not a totally bad idea, but it has major flaws that would cause major wipes, so no thanks..
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That is when the healers from the other groups step in and help to heal the groups which lack healers. Healing with the mana they have saved while not overhealing.
No . . . Since the pallys are healing they realise what teh fook, and start healing you, its a concrete system gorion and works for many many many many many many guilds
Players can and should be able to adapt to the surroundings in the environment they are playing in e.g. MT goes down. . MT2 goes in!
e.g. 2 Priest goes down . . Pallys/Druid whatever backs up their healing targets.
Whenever you're top of the emergency monitor u are guaranteed 300-400 % overheal
above post aimed at gorion :P
We're on the same wave length Sitha :D lets hope the other healers are
and that overheal is a good thing,, that is the whole reason of that monitor. cos its an emergency!
and regarding the switching.. m8 were already having dead tanks @the vael fight when we switch..
Overheal on everyone but the MT = bad
QuoteOriginally posted by Gorion@Mar 31 2006, 03:42 PM
and that overheal is a good thing,, that is the whole reason of that monitor. cos its an emergency!
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Actually, it doesn't have to be an emergency. The top person on that monitor is just as often on 70% health with his main healer just waiting for the right time to throw in a big heal.
Calling it emergency monitor is imo very misleading.
QuoteOriginally posted by Voretex@Mar 31 2006, 02:43 PM
Overheal on everyone but the MT = bad
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maybe you forget that everyone is needed.. sure the mt's are needed more, but if we get into that argument so are the priests and those who heal priests.. and then we still need the dps other classes do..cos even with all the healers and tanks up and the rest dead.. its a wipe
and regarding, sitha's post:
well then, reduce the hp to 50% then.. if its possible..
Do a quick google for healing rotations, me and Sitha didn't just make this up, the majority of high instance raiding guilds use them.
You are talking about focussing on your own grp in some of the previous posts.
i do that for myself for a long time and only when my own group is safe (read on a good health lvl) i look at other groups mostly grp 7 and 8 cause they dont have a healer. (Keep in mind that i am mostly in 1 of the MT groups so the MT need a lot of healing). Also i try to use as little mods as possible cause if you get a mod for everything i think you are just a bot wacking a button and the mod does the rest ( i dont say they are not usefull, but i want to play and become better, not become a bot). But i agree we can use some order in healing groups. Overheal can be good however if its a long fight overheal is a killer.
Lunares
Personally I dont use emergency monitor. I heal in order of priority (MT first, but mostly it's depending on the situation) and then have the raid sorted in class (when 40 ppl) or in groups (when 20 ppl or less).
I usually don't heal much in the beginning of a fight; I save my mana for later when most of the other healers have run low on mana due to massive overhealing.
My oppinion: When using the emergency monitor the healer don't have the time to consider wether the target is having aggro and therefore is in dire need of healing, or if it's someone who just had a 2 sec aggro and won't take on anymore damage.
I would rather have 10 mages with 50% hp than no mana when the MT needs it, but then again it depends on the situation, and sometimes the mages are more important than then MT and then they will recieve my healing (and shielding :))
But that's just my oppinion 8)
umm.. more important than the mt?
yes... not that it happens often, but situations like that can occur. It was meant as an example tho; not a good one I guess.
If the mob goes down, I don't really care what the overall raid healing/overhealing was like :P
Dont lie torir :P
stop spamming my /t with "post over heal pls"
Hey, just do things like you use too do!:D I always get heals when i need them, and you healers "knowing" when i Life tap fits me perfect:) So just keep up the good work! a special thanks from me ^^
I usually have my emergency monitor set to only show Warriors and sometimes Rogues.
Other then that I just do a quick overviev of which groups are close to me, and try to rotate through them with HoT spells.
If all the healers use emergency monitor for everything, the amount of overhealing will be massive and the person not on that list as he takes damage, will probably not be healed as all the healers are healing the same person. I don't think the mod should be banned though, I think healers should reevaluate the way it is used. It was missused like this pre patch too, but now that manaconserve is out, it will be even worse.
QuoteOriginally posted by Voretex@Apr 1 2006, 12:54 AM
Dont lie torir :P
stop spamming my /t with "post over heal pls"
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I said I don't care what the OVERALL healing was like, ofc I care about my overhealing :)
the "emergency monitor" is killing ppl if you dont use it correctly, like vargen said: many healers heals one target at the same time and in that time some other can die...
poor them I say =/
so look at the raid group windows you get from CTraid and heal those who need from there, since its less chance you heal the same person :D
you can also set some priority classes on the emergency monitor to have a better overview ;)
I also press the mob we are attacking and assist it so I can see if its attacking a squeaky tank or some other tiny gnome who needs healing:P
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