Well, not a disasterous run on DKP for my first time out.
Need to add Binding sof whatever (Legendary) for Rexon.
Need to take out an accidental double Garr DKP post fo rall.
TL.
Fixed the accidental double Garr (one became Shazzrah).
Still need the legendary added.
TL.
Ok, my edit of the Garr to Shazzrah kill solved one problem and created another. I forgot to edit the attendanc elist to match for the later period and Mazii and I believe Sheperdbook were also in the raid (kreg had gone) and maybe someone else. Does our resident AFK Officer for the night (Pente) have any info?
TL.
Arent u talking a lot to yourself in this post? 8)
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TL, great job on the dkp. To edit in the changes in the attendance list, just click in on the raid, edit and update. Shepardbook was there, and mazii. I believe it was voretex, marihqna and someone else that left. Can't remember exactly,but my raidtracker should show the log.
I talked to Zyriax (who was drafted in late in the raid) and he said that he didnt get dkp for the shazzrah kill. Thats probably a mistake i reckon
BTW... Good Job on the raid last night... with this speed they will pin down the whole instance pretty soon.
Yeah they will do ok through to Domo I reckon, but they do not yet have enough DPS or Fr to take Ragnaros. They need to 'farm' more epics to bring the RG2 level of equipment up a bit first.
Mazii, Zyriax added, Mari & Zootec removed (I think Zoo left erarly). Shep was already in there and Voretex was already out of the Shazzrah kill. I think (hope) tha tthis completes the correction of my first DKP run.
TL.
Ok, I need some clearing up to do. Because we never decided on how we were handing out the legendary items.
Imo it should be Officer choice and that they cost 0 DKP.
Now I need to know if you decided on Rexon or if he got it because he had the highest DKP.
decided in officer chat
I think that they should be Officer choice, but that they *should* cost DKP.
TL.
Yes officer choice and primarily go to officers first since we put in the hard work to run the guild. DKP i dont care about whatever
If it is going to be officer's choice I'm not adding a DKP cost to it.
Rexson had moest DKP how wil it sit with the members if the knew that they were handed out on officers choise and not higest DKP?
IMO it should be DKP managed but have a HIG price. With priority on a class.
I tend to agree, but I think the Officers there iN RG2 at the time would have selected Rexon anyway as MT1 for RG2.
I also think we need to say what we mean by 'Officer choice'. I mean that whilst people could ask for it that the Officers would retain overall choice to appoint it to the most appropriate class/candidate.
I do nto see why a Legendary item should not have a DKP cost. To not charge for a Legendary seems a contradiction to me. We charge DKP for Epics, cores and nexus crystals, so why not Legendary items?
TL.
Aften i een think about it for a while, i agree with TL. Ofcourse a Legendary weapon should have DKP cost. Its the most hardest in the game, and the items require *INSANE* amount of epic just to build them
I still think that we should really do *everything* in our power to keep the legendary weapons on the officers *only* since all persons can leave when they want, but the officers cant. The amount of time that we spend running the guild should therefore also give us the opportunity to select the most appropiate person to get it first, and in my opinion it should be officers first, and then the rest.
Basically its the same we do with Plans, recipes etc we find the instances we raid except the DKP cost.
Officers leave too. Addy, Irulan,Old guild queen (who was he again , Angem is his nick for MSN :/ ). I don't particulary want to keep Legandaries the officers ranks. If we go with topp DKP on prefered class, then we are giving it to a player who has been in the guild and raided for a LONG time and is thus a dedicated member. He has probably had chanses to leave guild and go to another guild (Anything ,Rightious, Shadow Council, Shadowrunner clan,CoC).
We are officers in SoG of free will , we have benefitts allready. And we do it cause we like to run/organise and stuff. Let us not be to eager to fill ouor own slotts cause we dont trust others. It wil only make them distrust uss.
If I was a member and heard that the officers were gonna decide who got the legendaries off the cuff , and gave them to the officers. then /gquit would not be far off . Sure I want itemz (the nice ones pls) but not at the cost of beeing unfair.Like when the green dragonscale cloak dropped I wanted it but wanted to winn the roll rather then ninja it cos I was officer or MT1.
And a for the INSANE grinding , the guild bank could help out for a DKP cost, getting the item into play fast is in the guilds interests.
We're talking about Officers choosing who gets what item. Not that a Officer will get the legendary.
And we discussed this a long time ago and then we came to 2 choices:
Officer's choice of who gets it - No DKP cost.
Regular DKP system decides - DKP cost.
Imo legendary's shouldn't cost at all and that we should choose who gets it out of those who want it.
I really REALLY think they shouldn't cost anything if we choose who gets them.
QuoteOriginally posted by KreuZ+Apr 5 2006, 02:31 PM-->QUOTE(KreuZ @ Apr 5 2006, 02:31 PM)
We're talking about Officers choosing who gets what item. Not that a Officer will get the legendary.[/b]/signed
QuoteOriginally posted by KreuZ@Apr 5 2006, 02:31 PM
And we discussed this a long time ago and then we came to 2 choices:
Officer's choice of who gets it - No DKP cost.
Regular DKP system decides - DKP cost.
I don't recall this chat and I have to say I believe a valid third way exists:
Let people whisper if they want, but the Officers retain discretion to appoint a particular weapon to class. If we as Officers choose a class or classes for the weapon then we should go by the DKP list as to who gets it. Top one from class should get lucky.
Well, i tend to disagree with the strategy that we wanna give legendary's to other people than the officers. Yes it may seem arrogant, but i still feel that its the only really insurance we have that people will stay and fight in the guild rather than just change to another guild. We saw it with Shahin, Dilijna etc, and for that specific reason i dont trust anyone but the officers to have enough guild feeling and stay along in both the good and the bad times. I've been pretty dissapointed with certain persons earlier.
I will (as usual) stand by the decision made, and if we decide that we appoint a specific person to get a specfic legendary item, i feel that we should make a list of possible drops, and a list of the class we expect that will use that item for the best possible way. It would be even better to name the person, but persons change and respecc etc, so i would more like to see a specfic item linked with a specfic class, so when the day arise, we will have a pretty decent idea about who gets this item... officer or not. I dont wanna spend time discussing the things, we already can discuss now.
Yes its correct that we also saw officers leave, but still its a lot more seldom than seeing the regular members leave. We have a responsobility in the guild to make the guild run best possible, and therefore we need to appoint the things we get to the best persons available, and in my opinion its the officers.
The discussion was a long time ago TL, even before you became Officer.
I must disagree on officers being the best choice for Legendarys. As Ragnarh said there's lots of officers that have left the guild and there will probably be more. I trust some of the members just as much and sometimes more then the officers.