This idea is © Ragnarh, 2006.
QuoteLast night in Molten Core, RG1 disenchanted 8 epic items (http://sog.siteburg.com/viewmember.php?s=&name=Disenchanted). The frequency of an epic DE is increasing and this is largely due to many members having most or all relevant MC items already. In order to counter this relative waste of Epic items the Officers intend to make some small changes to the raiding system on a trial basis:
- Each week we will try to allow one high-specced member of each class from RG1 (a total of up to 8) to switch into RG2 for the MC run (this will mean swapping a Thursday run with RG1 for a Thursday and Monday run with RG2).
- Whilst the RG1 member would raid with RG2 that week, they would earn DKP in line with the the normal RG1 raid (i.e. they will not lose DKP by volunteering to go with RG2).
- A maximum of one RG1 member per class can move to the RG2 MC raids each week.
- One member of RG2 from each class will be selected by Officers to join the RG1 MC raid each week. Selection will be at the Officers' discretion, but will include consideration of existing equipment, attendance, DKP and other aspects.
- If the RG1 member raids with RG2 on Thursday but then does not turn up to raid on Monday with RG2 then their DKP would be halved.
- The RG2 member joining RG1's raid would gain at the same rate as RG2 progresses that week, thus not giving them an infair DKP advantage over RG2 members.
- As normal, RG2 members will be eligible to spend their DKP on items dropping in the RG1 raid.
- RG1 Members will be allowed to nominate themselves as 'done with MC' but the final decision as to who moves to RG2 for that week will remain with the Officers.
This process of inter-change between RG1 and RG2 should allow:
- Better mixing and socialising between members of both raid groups
- A faster upgrade in the level of armor etc worn by RG2 members
- Improved resilience for the RG2 raid due to the presence of some experienced RG1 members in each class.
- Improved class tactical support due to an RG1 member being in each class to help lead that class in their role in MC
- An improved level of experience of MC boss fights for RG2 through experience of a full MC clearance with RG1.
- A decrease in the number of epic items needing to be disenchanted.
- No DKP bias to those taking part.
- This system will not mean an RG2 member blocks an RG1 member from getting a place in the RG1 raid as the RG2 member will be 'swapped' with an RG1 member who was already in the RG1 raid.
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This is a very good idea and it benefits all!
Sounds good!
Thats is Cool faster items to all in RG2.... :dribble:
BOE!!! moon!!! baaah!!!
sorry that since nobady whinned i should do it. but cant see a bad thing in it :blink:
great stuff!
QuoteOriginally posted by noevra@Apr 14 2006, 07:47 AM
sorry that since nobady whinned i should do it.
It's good to see you take this kind of responsibility Noevra :rolleyes:
But OT: Nice idea - really think could benefit the whole guild alot :D
What a great idea.
:worship: Officers of SoG
That is some seriously really good thinking!
Yeah, I had the pleasure of being in the RG1 raid yesterday and I just loved it... got to kill Domo and Raggy for the first time :D
One small question though... since I am locked inside MC with RG1 and MC cleared... that would mean I cannot raid with RG2 on Monday's MC run... and subsequently miss out on DKP for that day? or will I still get DKP when I am online during the entire RG2 raid on Monday?
Afaik, you'll only get the DKP of the raids you actually took part in, which means that you wont get DKP for what happens in RG2.
QuoteOriginally posted by Nebuoh@Apr 21 2006, 03:29 PM
One small question though... since I am locked inside MC with RG1 and MC cleared... that would mean I cannot raid with RG2 on Monday's MC run... and subsequently miss out on DKP for that day? or will I still get DKP when I am online during the entire RG2 raid on Monday?
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If you read a bit closer in the post that TL made, you'll see this:
QuoteThe RG2 member joining RG1's raid would gain at the same rate as RG2 progresses that week, thus not giving them an infair DKP advantage over RG2 members.
I guess that explains your question :)
So don't listen to Sinap, cause he is wrong most of the time anyway :narnar:
Aye, but I thought that that would just be for the raid I actually did with RG1 on Thursday.
And I was just wondering about coming Monday since RG2 will be raiding MC and I won't. But thanks for the explanation (Tan explained it to me in-game as well).
Whilst you attended the RG1 rtaid on Thursday you got no DKP for it. You will however receive DKP for the RG2 Thursday and Monday raids, thus you will see no DKP difference.
TL.
This idea has been around for a month now but to date the Officers have seen very few people take us up on the offer.
So the question I would like to pose to people is Why?
For the sake of research, please post below and try to give some answers to the below questions as to why this swapping system has not been used more often?
Questions:
Would you personally be happy to use this option?
If no, then what specifically has stopped you from using it in the past?
What specifically would make using this raid flexibility more likely for you?
Member feedback is welcomed.
TL.
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf+May 8 2006, 10:51 AM-->QUOTE(TeaLeaf @ May 8 2006, 10:51 AM)
but to date the Officers have seen very few people take us up on the offer.
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[/b]It might be that I misunderstand a bit here, but I thought this was more of something that the Officers just were going to "make happen", and not something members needed to sign up for (apart from those Guardians you need to swap from RG1 - which I think there are at least some of who have what they need from MC). I thought it was more like you're going say "today it's
's and 's turn to join RG1 for MC"
Well I got my DS-leggings last run in MC before my vacation so iam up to swap to RG2 MC-run :) .
The only thing i lack though is Ony necklace though but i can pick that up whenever so NP;) And for the DKP isnt it just that I get DKP for RG1 and the player i swapped with gain DKP as it where RG2? :blush: (havent read all posts!)
So TL Now u have atleast 1! ;)
Best regards Rata 8)
i'd like very much to swap my lock place with some1 else from RG2 since i have ALL what i want from MC except the reputation (useless) but i can't help cuz i can't attend on monday RG2 as required... so sry but monday night is GF night.
btw i saw some ppl from thursday swap who did not attend on monday night and got the DKP from both the raids, if it's fine for u i can swap every thursday let me know.
QuoteOriginally posted by Threbrilith@May 8 2006, 11:49 AM
I thought this was more of something that the Officers just were going to "make happen", and not something members needed to sign up for
Well we've asked in Raid chat each time and only had one or maybe two responses. We're looking for 8 (one per class). We cannot make anything happen as it needs people to agree to raid Thursday/Monday instead of Thursday. Maybe some form of compulsion would work, but I am not sure that this would be an acceptable way forward to members.
TL.
QuoteOriginally posted by Asheera@May 8 2006, 12:30 PM
tw i saw some ppl from thursday swap who did not attend on monday night and got the DKP from both the raids,
Thanks for the offer Ash, we may well take you up on it! For clarification:
Anyone swapping from RG1 to RG2 should get DKP for RG1 only.
Anyone swapping from RG2 to RG1 should get DKP for RG2 only.
If anyone got DKP for both then please let us know and we will amend it.
If someone swaps to RG2 and does not turn up for Monday then clearly we will have an issue. This is something the Officers are aware of and currently treating on a 'trust' basis.
TL.
Oke agree with that fully but today some RG1 members joined RG2 cause RG1 couldn't get the peeps to make their raid, so there was no dkp exept for the raid attendence so my guess was that RG1 members would get some dkp at least. But i was wrong there. In these situations the RG1 members help the RG2 members out and they get absolutly nothing in return exept the repair bill. Not very stimulating if you ask me.
just my 2 cents
As RG1 did not run and the people were not swapping then DKP was awarded for those on the RG2 run last night as it was not a swap, it was an MC run. Hopefully this is more stimulating for you and a helpful correction.
TL.
I think your missing my point Teaelle, what i was meaning to say is why didn't the RG1 members who joined yesterday get any dkp at all for the effort of joining? maybe i'm dragging here but i don't see the stimulating part here in this situation.
Btw its not the the dkp i'm bothered with but i'm trying to see the stimulating part here to help RG2 out when RG1 isn't raiding. :dummy:
QuoteOriginally posted by Soulbringerx@May 12 2006, 08:24 AM
Btw its not the the dkp i'm bothered with but i'm trying to see the stimulating part here to help RG2 out when RG1 isn't raiding. :dummy:
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Where's the stimulating part of helping a fellow guildie with a Strat run, or a Jailbreak or any other raid or quest?
No I think it is the DKP you *are* worried about, but let me stimulate you. Apart from the honour of helping your fellow Guildies (which ought to be enough) if you were in the RG2 raid you get DKP for that raid as RG1 did not run at all. I.e. it was not a normal night swap where an RG1 member gets RG1 DKP even when they are in RG2. RG1 did not raid, so *the* raid was RG2 and all participants (including RG1 members and Soldiers) should get DKP for that raid.
About now you should be about to pass out due to over stimulation. I recommend a cold bath :narnar:
TL.
So i was right then the RG1 members didn't get dkp yesterday and hell yeah i took a cold bath but i noticed something was getting very small so jumped out again 8) :P
QuoteOriginally posted by Soulbringerx@May 12 2006, 12:38 PM
So i was right then the RG1 members didn't get dkp yesterday and hell yeah i took a cold bath but i noticed something was getting very small so jumped out again 8) :P
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Err RG1 members should have got DKP for the raid yesterday.
TL.
RG1 got an attendance bonus (10dkp) last nite
DKP received by RG1 members who did not go to MC with RG2 is different to the DKP given to RG1 members who did go to MC with RG2.
This DKP matter has been posted to Officer chat as we have a slight variation in interpretation of what was agreed by Officers last night. Watch this space.
TL.
I'm glad at least 1 of you is awake :P