I totally agree with duval here,
I have seen some very dodgy things on the BOD server, IE ppl apearing next to my spaw before I have left it!!!!
never from this dude
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That's an admin suddenly swapping players to another side. I've had that several times myself on the BoDserver. Ended up in me shooting teamm8s. Rambo asked them lateron who swapped them and he never got a reply to that.
leave the cheat-finding to the known programmes like VAC and that thing in BF2. They may not be perfect, but it's a lot worse to get false positives and hassle legitimate players for no good reason just because of a dodgy scan.
In a similar vein why on earth would you allow an unverified program from a (potentially) untrusted source to scan files on your pc and report (something) back to someone somewhere. Sounds a little too close to phishing scam if you ask me ... just make sure it's not opening text files with the word "bank" or "acc" in the filename! ;)
/steering well clear/
"Please be aware that after the last update the scanner may give "some" false positives on CSS skins, this will be resolved ASAP"
HA! What else will come to light?
My concern was the sureity that BoD has with this. Surely they've been playing with computers long enough to realise that almost all software gives trouble (Except Windows© of course!)
Yeah I've seen all that Pete, that's why I've got an opinion on it. Well, they're only young, perhaps they'll learn.
"Quick! Hire a teenager while he still knows it all!
Another thought just occured to me. It was the attitude of the other members, quite obviously 'straight', who were sh*tting themselves in case the scan got them. The relief when they deemed to be clean
Smacks of the MacArthy witch hunts of the 50's
QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL@Apr 19 2006, 07:28 AM
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srry Duvel...post got deleted by admin
im really getting pissed of my BoD tbh not really happy with how they do stuff...
I mean if rambo hacked(what im sure of he doesnt/didnt) then it would be the same thing as N3co he would be spotted already
QuoteOriginally posted by suicidal_monkey@Apr 19 2006, 12:49 PM
leave the cheat-finding to the known programmes like VAC and that thing in BF2. They may not be perfect, but it's a lot worse to get false positives and hassle legitimate players for no good reason just because of a dodgy scan.
In a similar vein why on earth would you allow an unverified program from a (potentially) untrusted source to scan files on your pc and report (something) back to someone somewhere. Sounds a little too close to phishing scam if you ask me ... just make sure it's not opening text files with the word "bank" or "acc" in the filename! ;)
/steering well clear/
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Word. :withstupid:
I'm wondering what would happen if any of the -=[dMw]=-ers would get caught with something like that.
*Grolschhax? What Grolschhax? :whistle: ;)
I tell u summin, I ain't gunna play on BoD any more if they are using summin to scan my computer. I know i ain't never had ne h4x but I don't trust them.
PS this wasn't admin swapping ppl, it was the same bloke every time miles ahead of the others.
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Apr 19 2006, 12:04 PM
My experience of scripts like that are that they suck. Seriously suck.
TL.
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To clarify my comments, I think that the scanning scripts that Rambo wnet through suck. They have never worked reliably, other than to regularly give false positives. Hence I think they suck. Seriously suck.
If I were considering a case I would not want to rely on such a scan. Many Charlie members remember being booted from a very early UKCSL match series several times as the 'script' used to check things was so buggy.
TL.
If it picks up demo s called mygot or hacker etc its a bit severe to be banning people for positive scans. im with Duvel and co on this Rambo is a decent guy and deserves the benefit of doubt. Whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty? If it is known that it may flag up on names alone then discretion should be used and seeing as a lot of us have played with Rambo and no one has ever complained in the past should tell us something. Anyway theres allways razer mebbe this will encourage more people to stay closer to home :wub: I agree totally that if someone appears dodgy by all means scan them but to scan every player who plays regularly on your server is maybe a wee bit excessive not to mention untrusting of your regs.
Wish u all the best with this Rambo hope u get your name cleared as if you are correct and got sullied for having a empty zip called aimbot or whatever least you will know who your true BoD friends are.
PRESUMPTION is the mother of all F&** ups
I'd proably fail the scan because once I had an image on my PC called aimbot.jpg
Anyone remember it - it had a sniper guy leaning out of the window with a robot holding the barrel.
PEN
QuoteOriginally posted by ThePENDRAGON@Apr 19 2006, 03:48 PM
I'd proably fail the scan because once I had an image on my PC called aimbot.jpg
PEN
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CHEAT! CHEAT! GET 'IM BOYS!
well try it out PEN ...lol
In fact I still have it:
(http://two.fsphost.com/PEN/aimbot.jpg.jpg)
aimbot.jpg
:P
PEN
Sorry Rambo I've not seen enough of you to give my feelings on whether you'd be the type of person to cheat or not, regardless of your scores.
Wish you the best of luck if you've truly been wronged though.
from bod forum
In light of recent events surrounding the cheat scanner, and following testing by both Neth and a long standing member of the community it has been brought to our attention that the cheat scanner can give misleading results, where innocent files can be picked up as a possible hack/exploit we have decided to un do NT Rambo's ban however, Iains will remain in-place due to the quantity and location of files found and exacts will remain in place as he openly admitted using a wallhack on the NT forum and has made no attempts to prove his innocence. And he even had the stupidity to ask how to permanently delete his recycle bin whilst in irc and about to run the scanner. This WILL be the only get out of jail free card. I hope Rambo takes this oppurtunity to remove whatever files were found on his pc (innocent of otherwise) and be rescanned. He will only have one chance to perfom the scan so had better make it count. Now I and the other cheatscanner admins are aware of this problem with the cheat scanner we are fully aware of what to look for and how to distinguish between these innocent files.
From now on anybody found with anything on their pc will be banned after the findings have been analyzed. This is your ONE AND ONLY chance to remove anything even remotely suspicious as EVERYONE will be subjected to scanning and there will be no more second chances.
Many thanks to the member who helped me out with the testing, Rambo you owe him a debt of gratitude.
Scanning will now take place only when it is requested in-game by an admin. We are no longer scanning people who request it.
Regards
Neth & Adey.
What a bunch of arrogant wankers..
They should appologize to Rambo to be honest.. To suggest that Rambo owes them anything for investigation their faulty scanner is a joke tbh.
If I was Rambo I'd go back there and thank them for retracting their ban and accept their apology (although none was offerred). I'd then say that due to the mistreatment that I wouldn't be back.
NF
QuoteOriginally posted by KKND@Apr 19 2006, 04:25 PM
from bod forum
Scanning will now take place only when it is requested in-game by an admin. We are no longer scanning people who request it.
Regards
Neth & Adey.
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Errrm i went for a scan because in the scanning thread it definately said ""
QUOTE(temp @ Apr 18 2006, 06:33 PM)
EVERYONE is being scanned
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If an admin says everyone i presumed it meant everyone,as did a few others probably even though i do object to people who tbh are unknown to me scanning my computer i went for a scan as EVERYONE seemed pretty decisive to me!! :tongue:
That is the most arrogant piece of tosh I've seen in a long time.
1: Our crappy software makes mistakes
2: So get whatever it was that caused the mistake off your HD. So delete innocent files?
3: Zieg heil!
I would not even bother to ask for an apology. I wouldn't go back there.
:withstupid: :withstupid: :withstupid:
Tossers
I can't believe how arrogant they are being. I always thought the BOD guys were OK but just goes to show! I won't be going back in a hurry and I think we should make the effort to get people on Razer. At least we make people feel welcome :D
:withstupid: Id be up for it but in the past have idled for ages to no avail :unsure:
BoD is using the scan for ages already.
I have been scanned once and never again. And that scan came when i joined BoD so that is a while back :whistle:
But the scan doesn't say a thing. As you can easy delete files before the scan starts. As you have to join Mirc and use a program to do the scan.
The server isn't scanning you need to use a other program.
But then i don't care much about a scan or what ever. I am playing for fun and as long as i can have a good laugh then you will see me around ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by Whitey@Apr 19 2006, 10:15 PM
I can't believe how arrogant they are being. I always thought the BOD guys were OK but just goes to show! I won't be going back in a hurry and I think we should make the effort to get people on Razer. At least we make people feel welcome :D
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i dont think they are all arrogant Whitey,but as you can see what is gonna happen when someone puts a doggy proggie on..thats scans your pc...
i know this proggie from the past and then it was doggy and still is...
I'm assuming you have to install something on your IRC client, like an *.mrc file. Anyone have this and care to link or post the code?
If not, how are they doing this and are people opening up their IRC clients to allow someone to do a full scan.
I just can't believe anyone would consent to this considering you really have no idea what the script is really doing....
edit: started writing before Ice's post above. Still interested though.
Ive been in BoD irc 7 times for that scan ... i doubt ill need another scan.
kinda funny to c that every clan is having a conversation about this scan lol
I mean darksalv even got banned thx to that scan
well guys you proved urselves to be a bunch of total ***** tbh...
1.you slagged rambo off till he left
2.you kept questioning admins
3.you kept asking if **** was classed as swearing
4.arguing with adey for no reason
5.the final straw matteh killed an admin for no reason (omerta)=castor troy
tbh guys we dont need you on our server ... and whenever you are on you are constantly bitching and just generally causing grief ..how other people feel about this i dont know and frankly dont care but you are all banned ...
LET THIS BE A LESSON TO ANY OTHER IDIOTS WHO THINK THEY CAN COME ON OUR SERVER AND TOTALLY DISRUPT THE SERVER ..WE ARE NOT BAD GUYS BUT WE ARE NOT TAKING THIS CRAP FROM A BUNCH OF KIDS OR ANYONE TO THAT MATTER ANYMORE!!!!
THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE!!!! <<<
the hole clan got banned....where is it going in this world
mommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :whistle:
kindly edit that for swear words please moderator admin or KKND
And one should probably point out that you're not talking about dMw :D
to be fair guys bod have helped me alot through this and i think that neth made the right decision to ban me as that is wot i would have done neth or bod have done nothing wrong in my eyes :D
i thought they had un banned u ..if thats a word? :unsure:
they have im just saying that neth banning me in the first place was not at all wrong as tat is wot i would have done im just glad its all sorted now :)
just to reitterate this, im not playin on BoD any more.
QuoteOriginally posted by [NT*] Rambo@Apr 20 2006, 01:43 AM
to be fair guys bod have helped me alot through this and i think that neth made the right decision to ban me as that is wot i would have done neth or bod have done nothing wrong in my eyes :D
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They may well have helped you find out what was causing it, but the way they announced your result and ban within minutes of discovering it was crass and immature.
I'd like to congratulate YOU however, for the gentlemanly manner in which you have conducted yourself throughout this monumental cock-up...I'm sure there are many reading this who would have reacted with explosive outrage at such a slur...me included.
Well Played
:dmw:
I'm with blunt.
Although if your certain that you've never cheated and suddenly they find a weird named file on your comp which the weird scanner idenifies as a cheat then I'd be also like: :huh: :blink:
Good to hear they solved it although the way they expressed it was a tad over the top.
Just my 2P.
Atleast you now know who'd stick up for you. 8)
Running a clan is a difficult job and BOD have their work cut out doing it, just the same as Admins here do too. Every now and then, things done with the best intentions will without warning jump up and bite you in the backside and chew your TANGO off down to your knees.
BOD have clearly had a problem with players (not necessarily members) cheating in the past and felt it necessary to implement a system to try to stop it. In my personal opinion the decision to use an IRC-based scanning tool is a misguided one, but given that they had made the decision to use it then a ban following a positive scan is innevitable. So the decision to ban someone is not something that you can debate or abhor, they used a system, the system said cheat, the ban is therefore correct. It was the choice of tool that was poor, not the process.
You can argue over style all you want - admittedly dMw would not have 'styled' either the 'banned' or 'unbanned' announcement in the way that BOD did, but then they are BOD with a scanning process and we are dMw without.
I am sure that Neth in their own forums will offer public apologies to Rambo and so the announcement above can be viewed as slighty out of context to that extent. You have to remember that they have a clan to run that uses a scanning system and that they get mor e'publics' on their server than we do on ours. In those circumstances they cannot have a anti-cheat process that says "we'll ban you if you scan positive, unless you complain, in which case we'll unban you". So to a certain extent I can understand their wording even if I would not have worded it that way myself. They had to make sure that players felt the process/system would remain strong and be enforced.
Irrespective of the above, I would urge some restraint when flaming and generally condemning the BOD leadership as the wording I am sure was rushed out to solve a realised problem and is therefore not well prepared or styled. As we can all commit such faux pas then perhaps we should not throw the stones too harshly as we live in a glass house and might find ourselves the target some day.
My personal hope is that BOD review their anti-cheat process. If the scan is known to produce false positives (as I reflected earlier in the thread) then I would stop using it immediately and look for a better alternative.
dMw looked at anti-cheat tools and none of them ever really stacked up against the best anti-cheat system we ever used: T.R.U.S.T.
dMw is a members' community and the trust we share is what gives us our security.
Long Live dMw!
TL.
very well said TL
w00t to dmw
Out of pure curiosity i had a peak at my firewall log after i had installed mirc for the sole purpose of getting what i thought was a compulsory scan and amongst the myriad of irc based alerts i found this...
A computer at irc.dal.net has attempted an unsolicited connection to TCP port 3128 on your computer.
TCP port 3128 is commonly used by the "RingZero" service or program. The source computer has scanned your computer for this trojan, but it has been blocked by your firewall.
I thought i had only connected to quakenet and have no idea how dalnet is involved. Needless to say mirc has now been uninstalled as i have no idea how it works anymore (never really knew much in the first place just how to protect chat rooms from bots and other scripts )
I also am with Blunt and TL and on a side note last night i was accused of being a cheater a hax0r and a no0b cos i killed one of BoD s regulars a few rounds in a row(not tagged but a reg) who must be pretty terrible at cz if they thought i was hacking. I was using my comedy name as i dont wear my tags when extremely drunk or on their FUN server (thats an experience in itself as fun imho doesnt involve 17 cts bullying 12 terros on azzy going 7 rounds to nil up and when the teams being unbalanced being pointed out getting an afk ct transferred to terro :huh: ) but I took exception at this and did the manly thing.... added my tags then ran away to another server :pinch: .I dont know how some of the better players can put up with the constant whining. It seems as said elsewhere before that the cs kiddies are migrating to cz and spoiling what was more grown up gaming on most cz servers.
I know what you mean Scot. It seems that some people have allready written down my SteamID and when I play by another name they allready know it's me.
Also my teamobjective attitude allways keeps popping up.
First when I played a couple of times with another name and got acused of hacking and then turned on my normal name they'd just didn't say anything anymore. Just have a laugh about it. That's what I do.
BTW: we also use mIRC for Clanmatches and so and for dMw-tournaments.
But there are other IRC programs out there I believe not just mIRC, I tink I used to use a diffrent one, havn't used it for ages tho!
QuoteOriginally posted by scot@Apr 20 2006, 02:08 PM
Out of pure curiosity i had a peak at my firewall log after i had installed mirc for the sole purpose of getting what i thought was a compulsory scan and amongst the myriad of irc based alerts i found this...
A computer at irc.dal.net has attempted an unsolicited connection to TCP port 3128 on your computer.
TCP port 3128 is commonly used by the "RingZero" service or program. The source computer has scanned your computer for this trojan, but it has been blocked by your firewall.
I thought i had only connected to quakenet and have no idea how dalnet is involved. Needless to say mirc has now been uninstalled as i have no idea how it works anymore (never really knew much in the first place just how to protect chat rooms from bots and other scripts )
I also am with Blunt and TL and on a side note last night i was accused of being a cheater a hax0r and a no0b cos i killed one of BoD s regulars a few rounds in a row(not tagged but a reg) who must be pretty terrible at cz if they thought i was hacking. I was using my comedy name as i dont wear my tags when extremely drunk or on their FUN server (thats an experience in itself as fun imho doesnt involve 17 cts bullying 12 terros on azzy going 7 rounds to nil up and when the teams being unbalanced being pointed out getting an afk ct transferred to terro :huh: ) but I took exception at this and did the manly thing.... added my tags then ran away to another server :pinch: .I dont know how some of the better players can put up with the constant whining. It seems as said elsewhere before that the cs kiddies are migrating to cz and spoiling what was more grown up gaming on most cz servers.
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Ignore the 3128 port, a lot of IRC networks scan people for them using open proxy's to connect to their networks in order to stop anonymous people from connecting to their servers, that was probably what it was scanning.
As far never been to dalnet, i'd guess this would probably be a mistake as I do believe mIRC has 'connect on startup' enabled as default, maybe dalnet was default server too, quite possible and nothing to worry.
Or possibly another piece of software joining you to the dalnet servers without you knowing, in the past I used to know of 1 piece of software (AIM I think) that had chat rooms options but didn't make it clear that the chat rooms you were joining were just standard chatrooms that you could easily join via mIRC.
All in all no panic. ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by scot@Apr 20 2006, 03:08 PM
I also am with Blunt and TL and on a side note last night i was accused of being a cheater a hax0r and a no0b cos i killed one of BoD s regulars a few rounds in a row(not tagged but a reg) who must be pretty terrible at cz if they thought i was hacking. I was using my comedy name as i dont wear my tags when extremely drunk or on their FUN server (thats an experience in itself as fun imho doesnt involve 17 cts bullying 12 terros on azzy going 7 rounds to nil up and when the teams being unbalanced being pointed out getting an afk ct transferred to terro :huh: ) but I took exception at this and did the manly thing.... added my tags then ran away to another server :pinch: .I dont know how some of the better players can put up with the constant whining. It seems as said elsewhere before that the cs kiddies are migrating to cz and spoiling what was more grown up gaming on most cz servers.
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Well that people start calling you a cheater on the BoD fun server isn't new. They do it as soon as a player gets a good score.
But i find it funny as i get accused much on that server as you already know i think ;) But then they think they are talking to a admin about me but it is me who is the admin :whistle:
And yes you see much more kids playing CZ these days and we all know how kids are :blink:
lol i have been there when that happens ice its so funny m8 keep it up :P :roflmao: :roflmao:
Yes Ice you do get called all of the below a lot more than me thats why when you play with your other names i always call you ice... keeps em guessing. :happy: As for the cheating hax0r no0b bit it was on the reaper that this happened had it been the funserver i woulda understood but coming from a reg on the Grim reaper i was kinda taken aback :mellow: I personally wouldnt dream of calling someone who pwned me a no0b as more than likely they are a better player and therefore probably much more experienced than me, but like you say kids will be kids and i think the person in question is just that :wink:
Thanks for the info jb :beer: much appreciated, the connect on startup probably explains it. Was just a bit worried that they mighta been lookin for a trojan to exploit
QuoteOriginally posted by Ice Hawk@Apr 20 2006, 04:39 PM
you see much more kids playing CZ these days
y'know, I've heard (and made) this sort of comment a lot over the years I've been playing CS... I wonder if it's more immature players buying games and joining in, orwhether it's just that those of us in the "mature" gamers camp are just getting old :rolleyes:
IM still a kid :(
QuoteOriginally posted by Arcticfire@Apr 20 2006, 11:15 PM
IM still a kid :(
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What we mean is the attitude, some kids are more grown up than others. Your age doesnt matter its the attitude you show towards other people thats important. :wink: You can be young but mature, you could be old and immature.
im alittle late to replying to this post, havent been on the forums for a few days, but id like to have a little say
first of all i cant even believe they thought Rambo cheated, hes been a regular for sometime now, all you have to do is watch the way he plays and there nothing at all dodgy going on , surely the admin watch players in the server, im always flicking through players, not to see if they hax just to to see there tatics and learn from different things.
I just can never get my head around why people even cheat in the first place, cant they use there brains? I knew someone who would never cheat online but offline games first thing he got on first person games where godlike , unlimitted ammo ect.. Im like what a waste of £30 for a game. I just dont understand some people... Few nights ago i was on a server , someone joined and next min we all all being knifed at spawn and dieing instantly......... They got banned fairly fast but i mean what was the point.
They all must be very new to the game and just want to prat about... Kids like you say.
QuoteOriginally posted by BLOOD_THIRSTY@Apr 21 2006, 06:22 PM
im alittle late to replying to this post, havent been on the forums for a few days, but id like to have a little say
first of all i cant even believe they thought Rambo cheated, hes been a regular for sometime now, all you have to do is watch the way he plays and there nothing at all dodgy going on , surely the admin watch players in the server, im always flicking through players, not to see if they hax just to to see there tatics and learn from different things.
I just can never get my head around why people even cheat in the first place, cant they use there brains? I knew someone who would never cheat online but offline games first thing he got on first person games where godlike , unlimitted ammo ect.. Im like what a waste of £30 for a game. I just dont understand some people... Few nights ago i was on a server , someone joined and next min we all all being knifed at spawn and dieing instantly......... They got banned fairly fast but i mean what was the point.
They all must be very new to the game and just want to prat about... Kids like you say.
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:withstupid:
Rambo was DEFINATELY not cheating but the cheat scanner picked it up so that's fair enough IMO. He's cleared his name now though so it's alright...
The only time I have ever used cheats is when playing serious sam 2 on Impossible mode and with Buttafacio on my side. This is only because when it says impossible it means impossible!
So we stuck infinate amount of respawns as well as guns and ammo. Was a good laugh but thats a bit of fun offline just travelling through the whole game. Would never dream of doing it online or against other people though.