Firstly a quick reminder about the raid signups which will be in effect for AQ and ZG raids from the 28th of april onwards. The site is at http://sograid.cookiez.co.uk (http://sograid.cookiez.co.uk)
Now the schedule for raids for the next couple of weeks:
Wednesday 26th April 19:15 - Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj
- Old invite system
Friday 28th April 19:15 - Zul'Gurub
- Signups open now
Wednesday 3rd May 19:15 - Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj
- Signups open from 19:00 Monday 1st of May
Friday 5th May 19:15 - Zul'Gurub
- Signups open from 19:00 Wednesday 3rd of May
Monday raids will take place if there is enough people online, as RG2 raids at the same time.
Saturday raids will be unscheduled as attendance varies :)
Mene
good thing i never know if i can join ... bye bye AQ and ZG :(
Shall be interesting and see how this thing is gonna work out :)
Just a small comment on the signup times:
I'd suggest that you start signup a bit later on the days, cause at 09:00 there are quite alot of (at least the older guild members) that are at work, and I can only guess that many who are working don't have access to/don't have time to surf the internet during work hours. This will leave them with an unfair disadvantage compared to those who have internet access 24/7 (such as myself - not that I'll ever be able to tell one day in advance wether I'm gonna have time for a raid or not, but that's a whole different story :P )
So how about you set the signup time to 18:00 or 19:00? I think 24 hours in advance will be more than enough for the signups :)
I think this is a good way to arrange AQ/ZG.
If people log on to the page and find out the raid is full please use the queue. If we are enough people on queue we could start a second raid?
Right? :)
Hey bob, valid reasoning! I wanted to try it in the morning but its probably not set early enough to allow people to sign up before work, maybe 8:00 would be a better time. I guess we can try different times and see what works best!
Exactly nefrion, one of the reasons we started looking at these kind of systems was so we'd know how many people would be available, opening up the possibility for a 2nd raid :) Currently we have a full raid for ZG signed up, and 4 people in reserve, with 4 days still to the event!
Mene
I have to strongly disagree on that morning signup time too..Do some people have to leave work and visit a library to sign up for a wow raid at mornings? Or do i need to get a cellphone which supports that page? :/
Dont forget timezones, too.
thanks for the feedback snow :)
we're gonna change the time to 19:00 for the opening of signups, i would edit my post but the forum settings prevent this :) Could an officer please edit it for me?
Thanks for pinning the thread and linking the signup site too btw :)
Mene
Was just wondering what timer the raidsignup was on?
I just applyed a minute ago (about 13:05) and i says i wrote myself up at 07:02 AM... oookay?
Two questions:
1. Why do we have only 2 of 3 pallie slots filled AND a pallie in the queue?
2. Who ate all the damn locks?
TL.
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Apr 25 2006, 12:13 PM
2. Who ate all the damn locks?
TL.
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sry.. they were one of the Katal's(reagent) for my Blade of Bhaal nether spell..
QuoteOriginally posted by Menedil@Apr 24 2006, 11:45 PM
thanks for the feedback snow :)
we're gonna change the time to 19:00 for the opening of signups, i would edit my post but the forum settings prevent this :) Could an officer please edit it for me?
Thanks for pinning the thread and linking the signup site too btw :)
Mene
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Thanks alot mene, this will shut me up for a long time ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by Asmoden@Apr 25 2006, 12:06 PM
Was just wondering what timer the raidsignup was on?
I just applyed a minute ago (about 13:05) and i says i wrote myself up at 07:02 AM... oookay?
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When you sign up you get a queue spot, then an administrator of the sites can add the player to the specific class.
Asked Menedil the same question, and that was the answer I got.
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Apr 25 2006, 12:13 PM
Two questions:
1. Why do we have only 2 of 3 pallie slots filled AND a pallie in the queue?
2. Who ate all the damn locks?
TL.
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1: Because theres 20 slots, and 8 classes, max of 3 per class, = 24... theres going to be a few classses not maxed out. the pally in the queue signed up after the raid was filled.
2: if you find out, we'd love to know :P
And asmoden, the time is off because the server I have is located in the US, I'll edit it sometime, but right now its not of huge importance :P just add 6 hours to the time it says, and you get game time.
As a little add from me. A way to do it more fair as it is atm and ppl are talking about atm.
Why not make it as you can only join queue and then the ppl that hold the raid adds ppl to the spot and ppl can check them self if they get into the raid or not.
That way you allso can make so it is not allways the same persons that are in the raid. I mean now it all anyway are on the page the makes can see who was in last and then set them as 2. priority. ofc there will be need of some of the ppl that was in last raid. but then they just get in 3. prioty next time.
That way it shoud be a good rotation for all ppl in my eyes.
QuoteOriginally posted by Deadlyspirit@Apr 25 2006, 09:55 PM
Why not make it as you can only join queue and then the ppl that hold the raid adds ppl to the spot and ppl can check them self if they get into the raid or not.
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Thats how it is now.
hmmm guess it is just me then. I was able to join in the raid set up from the start :P
And that I have no problem in saying.
its possible that there was a raid admin online when you signed up and we approved you for the raid straight away :)
we did talk about using the queue of people who didnt get into the raid as a kind of "priority list" for the next raid, but i dont think we came to any conclusions on that subject.
i dont agree with this planning system people mayby do not show up and most of the time we got enough people
the system wasnt introduced to attract more people, it was supposed to be a way of fairly organising who attends, and letting people know in advance, so people will no longer turn up at the gates at 19:15, expect an invite, and find the raid is full already, then spam my mailbox with crap, and whine at me in whispers for half an hour :P
The officers fixed that problem with 40 man raids by introducing guardian and defender ranks... obviusly we cant do that, so this is the best we can do really. Judging by the number of people who have signed up (28 including 8 in the queue) we may soon have the possibility of running 2 concurrent raids, maybe with some danu people.
if you have a better way to do this, let us know, im willing to try anything at least once :P
QuoteOriginally posted by opticalrush@Apr 26 2006, 08:38 AM
people mayby do not show up
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Well, that's kind of the point with a signup system Opti - people make a "promise" that they will be there. You don't sign up, and than don't show when the raid is...
This is a good way of doing this. It means you know if you get in or not, and avoids frustration due to not being able to raid when you hoped to.
As for people just signing up and not showing up, I guess you will notice soon enough that this has consequences. Maybe even a ban from 20 man raids.
Let's give this system a chance and not try to abuse or exploit it. I think all the people involved in making this work are doing a kick ass job to keep it together.
QuoteOriginally posted by Vargen@Apr 26 2006, 10:40 AM
This is a good way of doing this. It means you know if you get in or not, and avoids frustration
Before rg2 joined everyone could join if they wanted to now we have a raidgroup2 its more difficult.
Because of the masive people whispering so my opinion is that rg2 needs to recruit some people to get up for this (rg2 people)
We did our best on rg1 aswell it took verry long to convinse people to join 20man instances
We would like to remind ppl that if you signup we expect you to show up.
If you have signed up and you know later you can not come you can cancel your signup on the site. If ppl signup a lot but dont come( inother words abouse the system), consequences will follow. Ofc we do not count the RL emergencies (you know what we mean).
Lunares
Not always true opti... before RG2 we cancelled a LOT of raids due to lack of people so that we have too many people is only a luxury problem
The 20 man instances is not officer controlled and therefore its not RG1/RG2, but SOG alltogether and therefore we need to work together as a guild to get this up and running
Horray to the guys that are trying to put this together, they deserve our support.... not our whining
i work mondays and fridays.. so i'll whisper for a quespot as i allways has done when i get home... coz i never know when i'm done at work... depends from 19.00->02.30 servertime.. :rant:
if you dont think you can make it on time, the best thing you can do is sign up for a queue spot. that way, you'll be first (maybe) in the queue for when you become available.
just to re-iterate what luna said, if you thnk you MIGHT be able to make it but arent sure, just sign up anyway, if it turns out you cant make it, you can cancel your signup without any problems... as long as its a reasonable time before the raid starts.. cancelling your signup 2 mins before the raid wont go down well :)
so how can i cancel a signup when at work from 1530-> say 23.30? and no internet.. aiaiai ;p or is that just for not que ppl?
basically, if your not in the 20 people who are approved for the raid, you have no obligation to turn up at all :) so if you cant make it but are just signed up for the queue, dont worry :)
WTB auto signup for que ;p
QuoteOriginally posted by opticalrush@Apr 26 2006, 10:44 AM
Before rg2 joined everyone could join if they wanted to now we have a raidgroup2 its more difficult.
Because of the masive people whispering so my opinion is that rg2 needs to recruit some people to get up for this (rg2 people)
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Hmm optical, just that I was not very happy to hear from you. I am a part of RG2 and have alot of fun in the 20 man instances. Maybe it is just me that takes what you say there to be like RG1 before RG2 for 20 man instances. And I know there are going alot of work on trying to get some more ppl for RG2 atm.
And as there is allready said, that this can only be a good thing that there are to many ppl for them. as then there will allways come a raid up that day.
And why I see this system very good is as a mage it is hard sometimes to get a spot, as we are alot of very active mages in this guild. ( sry for only looking on it from the mage side ).
Deadly i see your point but i see opticals point also.
I have been there from the start of the raids and we allways had trouble for a grp.(we joined with COC and we mastered a lot in ZG). NOw we have RG 2 also which means a lot more ppl which is good. however if we can have 2, 40 man raids. How do you get that in one 20 man raid (if you know a solution plz tell me :narnar: ).
So now we have too may ppl and you have the problem you are in the class where most ppl wanted to join (the mages). I know this is hard for you however with this system we can see how much ppl want to come, and if we have enough maybe even start 2 groups. Atm we have prolly 30 ppl who want to join so some will be left out yes. We cant help it sadly. I think that is what optical means. However for the ppl who are allways there to help i also can understand they rly want a spot cause they helped master it. 2 Opinions 2 ways of looking at it. No one of the 2 opinions is better or worse then the other. Personally i think this system enables us to greatly improve the system to be fair also cause we can move ppl from the queue to the next raid and give them priority if they want to come then. Just my opinion here.
Lunares
Rg1 + rg2 = 2x40 players...or at least it should be.
2x40 players = 80 players.
80 players = 4x20man raid.
How come only about 30 ppl signed up for 20man raid, when we should be able to make at least 2 raids?
I think the new signup-for-20-man-raid-system is a very good idea, expecially for us who need to plan ahead to be able to attend.
But why haven't more people signed up? Could it be, that not enough SOGmembers are using SOGforum regularly and therefore miss out on the signups?
If more people were active forum-users, then I'm sure it would be possible to make at least 2x20man raids = More happy people (Hooray!)
And I definitely don't agree on the idea of not letting rg2members participate in 20man instances. IMHO it's a very discriminating comment and it makes me feel like second-rate member of SOG.
Let me just get one thing clear
20 man instances are for ALL SOG. We dont separate between RG1/RG2 in these raids. RG2 is just as valuable members as RG1, they just cant/wont raids as much as the RG1 which is why we felt we needed to separate the Raid Groups
QuoteOriginally posted by Padding@Apr 27 2006, 08:48 AM
Let me just get one thing clear
20 man instances are for ALL SOG. We dont separate between RG1/RG2 in these raids. RG2 is just as valuable members as RG1, they just cant/wont raids as much as the RG1 which is why we felt we needed to separate the Raid Groups
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I can only agree with padding and we never said RG2 members can't join. At the moment it was first whisper, first spot. I think optical meant since we have a RG 2 also we have a lot more members who are interested in joining these raids. And Odesa yes we rly should have enough for 2 however when we only had 1 RG we barely had 20 if we were lucky.(we needed to cancel quite a few raids at the start) This can have a few reasons:
1) Ppl are tired of raiding every day.
2) They can't cause of RL.
3) THey dont think its worth their time.
4) Maybe they only want "fast"loot.
i do not accuse ppl these are the reasons i feel are the main reasons for ppl not joining. And with the new signup system we can see how many want to come to raids and act properly according to it. When ppl get used to it we might have 2 raid grps soon.
Lunares
I'd just like to add, we currently have 48 people who have registered for the signup system, I'd say thats a good sign that there are at least enough people who are interested in 20 man raids that we might soon be able to field 2 teams.
Mene
To underline what Padding and others above have said:
When it comes to 20 person raids there is no RG1 or RG2, just SoG members who are all treated equally.
TL.
Mendil/Lunares atm it looks like i won't be able to come at raid start. I have some things i need to take care of first. But i will try to be there.
JT
I'd just like to say, i almost never attend 20 man instances , because they are when i have very little time playing, Mondays & Wednesdays i cant play at all. Take the upcoming saturday, im going to f'kin help my older brother, not that i mind but it takes some "fun" out of the weekend, but i cant slack at all times .
That is just an example why i cant raid on thoose specific raid days.
We (menedil, kregoron and lunares) decided on the consequenses of signin up and not showing up.
If it happens the first time we will issue a warning. The 2nd time will result in a ban from the 20 man raids for a week. If it happens again another ban will be issued if it happens more often well you do not want to know what it gonna happen :devil: .
Lunares
Good idea!
Can I just ask that the dates on the signup site be formatted for UK style, it's currently in american month/day/year and it confused the TANGO out of me, plus each time I have to do a mental conversion from tard to english.
Secondly, can you hurry up and fill the raid (03-05-06) so I know if i should speed home from work early or not? :P
Lastly, the resistances you ask for on the site are 'unpimped & unbuffed' or something when making the char, so I put what I have as standard, NOT when I have specific gear on, but some people have posted like 230 or something (I'm assuming with DI gear etc) which should these be, the max unbuffed or max unbuffed unspecific geared'ed'ed? If it's just the former I have to go back and actually pay attention :(
What are the consequences for Locks not signing up at all?
TL.
QuoteOriginally posted by Umbra@May 3 2006, 11:12 AM
Lastly, the resistances you ask for on the site are 'unpimped & unbuffed'
My resistance to a 36/23/32 is very low, especially on a Friday or Saturday night after loads of alcohol, so I put as such in my profile. :P
You will note that my ungimped FR is of course the without pallie buff figure. :whistle:
TL.
dont worry about filling in the resistances, and i'm going to re-code the dates/times when i finish my uni work whihc is currently draining all my programming brilliance :(
as to whether or not you should get home from work early... you were the 4th warrior to sign up, assuming we dont get any warlocks we'll take 3 from 6 out of 7 remaining classes... meaning you wouldnt be in the starting lineup unless one of the warriors doesnt show. The last spots will be filled at 18:00 game time tonight (thats 17:00 UK time for you umbra :P)
and if no locks sign up we'll just not be able to do moam :(
I'd like to moam at the locks for not signing up. :(
Someone go buy a 60 lock off eBay?
I cant sign up if im working now can I ;)
Anyway i'm in for ZG....gib ZHC kthxbye
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@May 3 2006, 11:04 AM
I'd like to moam at the locks for not signing up. :(
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as i said in another post under this topic i can't join at 7:15 if u want i can be online around 7:40 and sometime won't be at all ... prolly i'll be on monday since i want to attend at MC to kick ragnaros' ass