And at the moment i don't see any problem inviting more ppl in, cause frankly we do not have enough ppl to fill slots in either RG1 or RG2.
(...)
We should be 42-48 RG1 ppl online for raid days. I thought u guys wanted to raid all the time. That was the reason for RG1.
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[/b]Please don't start screaming for more invites just because attendance is low for a period of time.
SOG has never been a pure hardcore raiding guild. Yes, we did take a step closer to that when we started deviding into RG1 and RG2, but still we manage to keep it a a semi-hardcore level - at least I think we do, and I really like that :)
The member should be able to adapt to the Guild, the Guild's needs, the Guild's raiding schedule and so on, BUT the Guild should also be able to adapt to it's member needs.
I will quote myself from a post I made in the "Ending MC thread" (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=13870&view=findpost&p=126402);
It is very unusual for RG1 to be short on an OL/MC night, so attendance in RG1 is probably not yet a problem. RG2 is still settling and remember we have not yet filled all the recruitment slots. At the moment things continue as they are, but Threb if such a situation for low attendance continued and there was no sign of it changing then the only logical thing to do is to get more people involved. That's not screaming, it's not threatening, it's just common sense. We're not there yet, but it is the logical conclusion of runnign raids with too few people.
At the moment we have enough members to take Ragnaros down in both Raid Groups. I'd like to see RG2 recruitment needs filled fully and then let attendance settle a bit before reviewing again. Last night I am hoping was just an abheration.
TL.
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Apr 28 2006, 10:49 AM
but Threb if such a situation for low attendance continued and there was no sign of it changing then the only logical thing to do is to get more people involved. That's not screaming, it's not threatening, it's just common sense. We're not there yet, but it is the logical conclusion of runnign raids with too few people.
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Yes, that is of course very true TL.
My point was only that you can't start making conclusions about too low attendance based on just a few raids. I'd say you'd need
at least 2-3 weeks before you can say that it's time to recruit more members :)
QuoteOriginally posted by jantore@Apr 28 2006, 09:59 AM
Ofc somthing might happne. Oh and i think we should change the attendance in RG1 to 5/6 over a 2 week periode. Not 2/3 in one week.
JT
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Agree on that one! i really think there should be a consequense for having a low Guardian attendence, Guardians are imo meant to be hardcore raiders, not casual at all, we have above 40 Guardians and not 40+ show up at 19:15 each raid day, that is really crappy i think.
Im just curious are the Officers in fact monitoring people's raidattendence? In that case, are there currently planned any consequenses?
Ive been watching the DKP site lately, and my raid attendence is going drastically down due to the RG2 raids which i offcourse cannot attend to because im saved with RG1. Maybe a solution for that matter is coming up, i dont know, just wanted to mention it.
Sorry for being an ass! i would just hate to see the same thing happen again, which occured during our trial Phases on Razorgore (Really low attendence)
Luthor, hoping for future improvements
we know, working on it for sometime, but got a tad snowed under lately
QuoteOriginally posted by Threbrilith@Apr 28 2006, 11:02 AM
My point was only that you can't start making conclusions about too low attendance based on just a few raids. I'd say you'd need at least 2-3 weeks before you can say that it's time to recruit more members :)
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Maybe, the timescale is not short anyway, it's more a feel for how long members who want to raid will put up with regularly turnign out for SoG when not enough turn up. We need more raid balance, we need better attendance and I very much hope we get it from RG2 and to a lesser extent RG1. I am sure the current short term absences for exams etc will challenge us, but we will remember this when we review the situation (which we do on a regular and ongoing basis).
TL.
Think everyone would be happy if people started attending a bit more and beign so affraid of wiping... Come on people we wont progrss if we arent there.. :)
And btw sorry for coming online a bit late last night.. had some school stuff to attend to :s
QuoteOriginally posted by kregoron@Apr 28 2006, 01:36 PM
Think everyone would be happy if people started attending a bit more and beign so affraid of wiping... Come on people we wont progrss if we arent there.. :)
attend to :s
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Just asked for mainly the same above Kreg, just with other words :D I AGREE
I totally agree to you kreg! - people should be better to show up at the raids. Personally i think people should be demoted to soldier, if they do not attend to a certain % of the raids. With the option of getting promoted again when they are willing to dedicate themselves to RG2 again. We need more stabile players, who raid allmost everytime. Otherwise things will end up just like last night, where we have perhaps enough players but are very unbalanced and random in the raid. If we can make sure that we have stabile players, then we will have succes.
Just my opinion... :D
The balance will come in a raid group where:
- we insist everyone turns up all the time and we restrict membership to lower numbers per class
- we do not insist on high attendance and recruit sufficient numbers per class that average attendance is high enough to meet raid requirements.
We currently aim for the latter as RG2 was originally set up to allow those unable to commit the higher level of attendance and time demanded by RG1.
TL.
SOG RG3 COMING TO A PLACE NEAR YOU![/SIZE]
You were 38 ppl JT? Well if i hadnt gone to Rg2, you'd be 39, counting in Menedil we've been 40 ppl.
My opinion is that we should just wait, and lets try making it work out by itselv, if not lets recruit. I dont have anything to do with this directly, but just wanna say my opinion.
QuoteOriginally posted by Neff@Apr 28 2006, 03:59 PM
SOG RG3 COMING TO A PLACE NEAR YOU![/SIZE]
You were 38 ppl JT? Well if i hadnt gone to Rg2, you'd be 39, counting in Menedil we've been 40 ppl.
My opinion is that we should just wait, and lets try making it work out by itselv, if not lets recruit. I dont have anything to do with this directly, but just wanna say my opinion.
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We where 27 when we started with ony, then we where 30 untill RG2 called it a night then we got 2 alts and then we whiped on Sulfron. So no we where not 37.
But i said that we have almost enough lvl 6 players for 3 raid groups. We have 110+ lvl 60 main char. I do not want to start counting them. So im guessing a bit here but still :P
Circumstances Circumstances. I'd much rather have some time with low attendance( no, im not fond of it i hate it myselv) but alot of our members are students, and alot of us are getting our exams, or wth you call the "last" tests before school ending. If it keeps up, lets then recruit the needed classes. Or If you make the guardian spot harder to maintain, people will show up because they are afraid of loosing the spot. If it was no rules noone would bother, because they've just keep their spot nomatter what. When a specific thing gets limited "everyone" wants it , and just see how high our attendance boosted after we got guardians.
The fact of the matter is, people are discovering real life once again :P
Maybe I am wrong in what I say now, then corect me.
As I see it atm. Maybe you shoud make the hardcore raiders of RG2 up like guardian status aswell to see who is really in this game and want to raid.
And as there allready is said, make it abit of consikvens for guiardians not to be there for raids. ofc still with the like 2/3 raids or so. And ofc still things can happen in RL that stops you from being on at the time needed. This is ofc a thought for the 40 man instances.
But ofc this is just my oppinion.
And sry for the bad spelling.
Lets hope that this shortage of players will be an exeption to the rule.
And a very large raidgroup means lots and lots of different players and classes everytime. The gearing up is than also considerably slowed, to a point where you just get stall and that isnt good, have seen that before with me old guild :angry:
But yeah ill be online more, need to adapt to the different raiding days.
Just a thought, but why not stagger the MC raiding days so RG1 and RG2 are not raiding it on the same day (thurs).
Therefore if RG1 is low in numbers they can upgrade people from RG2 on a class need. Then when RG2 goto raid there is a good chance that those missing players from RG1 could raid with RG2 on their MC night.
Just a thought...
Oh while I think about it, those concerned about attendance %, should remember that because RG2 is using the same DKP page it affects your attandance rating. You can't attand both raids now can you ;)
That assumes we use that page for attendance assessment, which we don't. :norty:
TL.
Don't have enough time to read all of this thread, but with regards to raiding: at this present time guildies do need to keep one thing in mind - a whole generation of us youngsters (using the word reasonably liberally) have exams and obviously members like myself and others who really would like to come have to take a serious view and crack down and do some revision!
But no need to worry... very soon it will be the summer holidays and then we'll decimate AQ and Naxxramas 8)
Though personally I have had a problem with raiding on Monday and Thursday nights (that's an old problem which caused my initial 6 month departure...), but as of the end of this term that problem I have recently learnt there will no longer be a conflict :D
Sheperdbook
"The Holy Grease-Monkey"
I am soon in the same situtation as Shep.. Exams are coming up and I need to focus on them.. Ill still try to make time to raid but I don't know how it will be..
But I see no reason to jump right into the making of a third raidgroup right away.. I had some wishpers from a couple of ppl wanting to join our RG3.. kinda confused me :blink:
IMO we just need to relax, wait and back up on the raids. Dont let this threat scare you away from raids because people say they cant raid because of exams.
I started playing WoW just before my final exams in business school. I got addicted from day one and I hardly opened a book. Luckily I found the most stuff in school easy so my exams went ok.
What I am saying is please respect people who need to study for exams this summer. Those who can please attend to raids regardless what people say about we are too few to finish a raid. If everybody has that attitude no one will show up.
Damn I just hope I get my PC up running for tomorrow's raid.
BR
J
Just wanted to say: very nice post Nefrion :thumbsup:
My thoughts exactly, said in a nice and plesant way :)
Today(Monday) its MC ? i thought that was anounced last mc run unfinished
Yep, and it has been in Gmotd for a couple days now too
WoW's been around a while now, people who've been playing a year + might be getting bored of it by now like I did, lol. People are getting real lives back, at the end of the day, WoW is just a game :P
QuoteOriginally posted by Sinap@May 2 2006, 12:39 AM
WoW's been around a while now, people who've been playing a year + might be getting bored of it by now like I did, lol. People are getting real lives back, at the end of the day, WoW is just a game :P
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OMFG! U cant be serious!... I thought "Real life" was just a farietale!
To what this post was really about:
Yesterday there wasent a whole lot online for the two MC raids, and RG1 couldent make it. Instead they made a ZG raid, wich ended at two Haxxar whipes...but, not a lot to do there when a lot of people hadent been there before.
All im saying is. If we dont have enough for MC, its not like its the end of the world or anything. Just find something else to do. Enjoy, have fun!
And it was quite nice RG2 almost had a full raid of 40 man the whole night with only the 2 officers as RG1 players in the raid!
Keep it up RG2! :)
Im very sorry for not attending the Monday raid, i had BBQ etc :(
QuoteOriginally posted by Bastet+May 1 2006, 12:29 PM-->QUOTE(Bastet @ May 1 2006, 12:29 PM)
Yep, and it has been in Gmotd for a couple days now too
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But we all know better than to trust what Gmotd says, as it usually will be changed 15 mins before invites begin... And it sux for those of us, who can't be online before 19.15 sharp :ranting:
QuoteOriginally posted by Odesa@May 2 2006, 02:19 PM
But we all know better than to trust what Gmotd says, as it usually will be changed 15 mins before invites begin... And it sux for those of us, who can't be online before 19.15 sharp :ranting:
Don't worry...no room for you anyway :narnar:
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Well, if the RG1 raid got called because of not enough attendance i wonder how you worked that out :narnar:
ol and then zg :P
QuoteWoW's been around a while now, people who've been playing a year + might be getting bored of it by now like I did, lol. People are getting real lives back, at the end of the day, WoW is just a game
well its nearly 2years now for me.. it started to get boring once..but now its fun again, thats why the add new content ;)