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Title: Crash!
Post by: Nefrion on April 30, 2006, 11:44:54 AM
Last night my computer went down in AQ20. I managed to get it back up to finish the raid but this morning it was completely dead.

Currently working on a solution. Just wanted you to know I dont think I can make it to Monday's raid.

Sry
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Post by: Gorion on April 30, 2006, 11:56:22 AM
maybe you can describe what exectly happens? we have some gurus here that can help you out ;)
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Post by: Nefrion on April 30, 2006, 12:19:21 PM
Well sure... I can give it a try :)

The problem is my monitor wont switch on. I turn on the computer and I can hear the HDD, fans etc. start up but there is not being sent any singal to the monitor.

It started yesterday evening when we were in AQ. Suddenly I got a blue screen. It comes from time to time when my computer gets overloaded so I just rebooted and entered WOW again. Then after 1-2min it froze. I rebooted again and entered WOW and finished the AQ. Just after I took the portal to IF I got a blue screen again. I got tired of it and went to bed. This morning the monitor didnt respond when I turned on my computer.


I have tried everything. I have unplugged my GFX (GeForc 6800LE) and tried using my onboard. Still nothing. Then I tried putting in another GFX... Still no signal.

After some thinking and swearing I tried to pull out the RAM (It might be a RAM block) but still nothing happens. I have tried moving them around in different slots and replacing them with some other RAM.
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Post by: Gorion on April 30, 2006, 12:36:28 PM
check your monitor with an other pc(use his wire), if it works check a diff monitor with your pc(use your wire)
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Post by: Nefrion on April 30, 2006, 12:57:22 PM
I have tried to connect my PC to another monitor. Doesnt work.

I am afraid that it could be the MB :(
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Post by: Neff on April 30, 2006, 01:01:59 PM
Sounds like heat :blink: Im no guru , but if stuff like that happens its usually that. Maybe its your GPU? that something else "steals" it power. You installed some new parts lately?
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Post by: Gorion on April 30, 2006, 01:04:10 PM
i dont think its heat.. why would heat affect a monitor.. and if it would why wouldnt it work after a whole night turned off..
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Post by: Nefrion on April 30, 2006, 01:07:39 PM
Thats the thing. Something like this usually happens when you install new hardware. But this just came over night. I havent installed any new hardware for months.

My PSU is a 300watts so its not a strong one but I havent had problems with it. I have tried to unplug everything except the vital parts. Still no reaction.

I have replaced my old CPU cooler with a better one and when I did that I didnt have enough cooling paste or what its called so it booted and shut down just after.
Yesterday evening when it started to crash I checked the temp and it was around 50 degrees celcius so its not the problem.
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Post by: Nefrion on April 30, 2006, 02:40:08 PM
Seriously with all these WoW-g33ks there has be some who can tell me whats wrong  :narnar:
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Post by: TeaLeaf on April 30, 2006, 03:29:26 PM
You need dMw geeks, not WoW geeks.  Thread transferred to bring in the combined intelligence of the whole community :norty:

TL.
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Post by: Nefrion on April 30, 2006, 03:51:59 PM
Thanks TL,

Really appreciate it. I just hope some one knows what might be wrong and how to fix it.
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Post by: Knabbel on April 30, 2006, 05:18:32 PM
Well usually the last change on the system causes the problem. But if you didn;t chance a thing then I was also thinking of a heath problem. And after reading that the pc also had the problem from a cold start made me think of something else.  Try the easy things first like check your power connections on your mobo and hardware. Check also the graphiccard fan... Read out the Windows system log file.
Right mouse click My Computer --> Manage --> Event Viewer --> System. Check right window for red marked loggings. Maybe you have a problem with a piece of hardware or an updated driver. Eliminate the possibilities. Try another monitor, switch (for testing only) from graphicalcard. Disconnecting your drives (harddisk or CD/DVD-rom)......Other screen resolution? etc....

Problem occurs with have duty and it is random, check ram as a posibility.

Good luck. I still need to replace my mobo as this went dead and never came back

Daedalus.
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Post by: A Twig on April 30, 2006, 05:24:23 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Knabbel@Apr 30 2006, 04:18 PM
Read out the Windows system log file.
Right mouse click My Computer --> Manage --> Event Viewer --> System. Check right window for red marked loggings. Maybe you have a problem with a piece of hardware or an updated driver.
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How's he gonna do that if his monitor aint working? :blink:

Don't suppose you noted the BSOD error number did you?

I had a similar problem once - new soundcard fixed it for some reason...
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Post by: Nefrion on April 30, 2006, 05:42:20 PM
Thank you for your answer.

I have tried to disconnect all HDD and CD drives etc. I have also tried to switch monitors and RAM. Nothing seems to work.

I cant even boot up the PC so I have a hard time configuring anything in bios or windows.

Seems like I need a new motherboard?
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Post by: Knabbel on April 30, 2006, 05:44:00 PM
If he can re-enter WoW he can also read out the log files. Must admit a soundcard in my system did lock up the system. Thing break down from time to time.

D.
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Post by: Nefrion on April 30, 2006, 05:46:02 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by A Twig@Apr 30 2006, 05:24 PM
How's he gonna do that if his monitor aint working? :blink:

Don't suppose you noted the BSOD error number did you?

I had a similar problem once - new soundcard fixed it for some reason...
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Your soundcard fixed the problem with no signal to your monitor? Thats odd.

Well I am using onboard sound so I dont think that should be the problem.

Unfortunately I didnt notice the BSOD number (expect thats the number on the blue screen)
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Post by: Knabbel on April 30, 2006, 05:47:17 PM
Does the Pc do his POST. That is when he counts the memory, detects the drives etc. Does he beeps (internal speaker) when turning on the PC? My motherboard stopped working to.....got the message "System failed CPU check"... cpu replaced....still not working....  Try your monitor on a other pc to filter out if it is the pc or monitor.
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Post by: Jamoe on April 30, 2006, 05:53:08 PM
If the monitor isnt geting a signal the next step is to check ur graphics card. Is the fan on the gfx card working ok? Has it come loose at all? Can you swap in another gfx card and try that.

Can you put the graphics card in someone elses machine to test its working.

My first guess would be heat related, either gfx card or motherboard. Games genearly work em harder and hey'll heatup and then shutdown or BSOD on ya.
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Post by: Nefrion on April 30, 2006, 05:58:11 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Jamoe@Apr 30 2006, 05:53 PM
If the monitor isnt geting a signal the next step is to check ur graphics card. Is the fan on the gfx card working ok? Has it come loose at all? Can you swap in another gfx card and try that.

Can you put the graphics card in someone elses machine to test its working.

My first guess would be heat related, either gfx card or motherboard. Games genearly work em harder and hey'll heatup and then shutdown or BSOD on ya.
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I have checked the GFX and its not that. I have switched to another card as well as the onboard gfx.
It is not the monitor either. I have tried to connect another monitor to the PC and it still doesnt work

There are no beeps other than the normal single beep when booting.


Just cant come up with whats wrong!
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Post by: Jamoe on April 30, 2006, 06:27:43 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Nefrion@Apr 30 2006, 04:58 PM
I have checked the GFX and its not that. I have switched to another card as well as the onboard gfx.
It is not the monitor either. I have tried to connect another monitor to the PC and it still doesnt work

There are no beeps other than the normal single beep when booting.
Just cant come up with whats wrong!
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My next jump would be motherboard, is the fan on ur northbridge chip still moving (if its got a fan)? What make/model is your motherboard? How long have you had it etc.

I recall having a MB go on me and it was the northbridge chip that overheated and caused shut down. It would boot up ok but after a few minutes it would die. I know its not the same thing but the buck seems to stop at ut motherboard.
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Post by: Nefrion on April 30, 2006, 09:09:29 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Jamoe@Apr 30 2006, 06:27 PM
My next jump would be motherboard, is the fan on ur northbridge chip still moving (if its got a fan)? What make/model is your motherboard? How long have you had it etc.

I recall having a MB go on me and it was the northbridge chip that overheated and caused shut down. It would boot up ok but after a few minutes it would die. I know its not the same thing but the buck seems to stop at ut motherboard.
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I have no fan on my chip.

The make is: ASRock
Model: P4S61

It is about 3 years old I think. Think im gonna try buying a new MB tomorrow. This one is crap anyway. Hope it will solve the problem.
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Post by: Gorion on May 01, 2006, 12:35:01 AM
could it be the switch?

had a problem on my old pc with that..the switch had shorted
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Post by: Jamoe on May 01, 2006, 08:54:35 AM
Just tohught I would post this here

Below is a table of the most common AMI, Phoenix and Award BIOS beep codes.
QuoteAMI (American Megatrends International) BIOS Beep Codes.
AMI BIOS uses beeps of the same length and pitch. The error is displayed as a number of beeps. For example, 4 beeps indicated a timer failure.
BEEP CODE MEANING POSSIBLE CAUSE
1 Beep (No video) Memory refresh failure Bad memory
2 Beeps Memory parity error Bad memory
3 Beeps Base 64K mem failure Bad memory
4 Beeps Timer not operational Bad motherboard
5 Beeps Processor error Bad processor
6 Beeps 8042 Gate A20 failure Bad CPU or Motherboard
7 Beeps Processor exception Bad processor
8 Beeps Video memory error Bad video card or memory
9 Beeps ROM checksum error Bad BIOS
10 Beeps CMOS checksum error Bad motherboard
11 Beeps Cache memory bad Bad CPU or motherboard
from http://www.d-a-l.com/help/showpost.php?p=25482&postcount=1 (http://www.d-a-l.com/help/showpost.php?p=25482&postcount=1)
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Post by: Nefrion on May 01, 2006, 09:40:05 AM
Thanks for all the posts on this thread. I have just ordered a new MB.

AsRock P4Dual-880Pro (http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=175970)

Sure hope the MB is the problem. Can anyone tell me if this MB is OK? Just glad it has the possibility of running with dual channel RAM.
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Post by: Jamoe on May 01, 2006, 09:49:14 AM
Good Luck Nef :)
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Post by: Arkhon on May 01, 2006, 12:34:58 PM
Well...

If the monitor does not even get a signal during boot up,
it must be hardware related.

Connect your monitor to another computer to see if it works.

Put your graphics card in another computer to see if it works.

If those 2 are working it is most likely your motherbord or memory,
as a defective processor will give you alot of violent bleeping. :)




Arkhon


Edit: Damn to late :P
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Post by: Menedil on May 02, 2006, 12:41:00 AM
i was gonna say.. reset your bios. but since youve already ordered a new mobo, nm!

usually theres a jumper on the mobo to reset it, but the quick and dirty way of doing it is to just take the battery out of the motherboard for a few seconds....
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Post by: suicidal_monkey on May 02, 2006, 08:33:20 AM
If you want to check if it's a heat issue take of the side of the case before you try booting. If you have a desk fan point that into the case. Tried removing and reseating the graphics card? As Jamoe said I'd try an old gfx card aor tey yours in another machine to check that

...hopw the new board works 8)
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Post by: Nefrion on May 02, 2006, 03:55:53 PM
I have tried to disconnect everything possible and connect to another PC. It all works.

If it was a heat problem it would just start up as normal and when it reaches 90-100 degrees it will shut down. It has nothing to do with the fact that the monitor doesnt work.

I should receive the MB today. Lets hope it solves the problem
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Post by: Nefrion on May 03, 2006, 08:05:26 PM
Just received my new MB today. Got it all connected and still no signal to screen. I get no beeps at all which I think is kindda odd.

Maybe its the processor :S
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Post by: A Twig on May 04, 2006, 02:18:04 AM
Seriously - try changing/installing a sound card. You may laugh but the amount of problems that I have fixed by changing/installing a soundcard...
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Post by: Nefrion on May 04, 2006, 08:33:17 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by A Twig@May 4 2006, 02:18 AM
Seriously - try changing/installing a sound card. You may laugh but the amount of problems that I have fixed by changing/installing a soundcard...
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The issue shouldnt be the soundcard as I have just installed a new MoBo.
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Post by: A Twig on May 04, 2006, 10:27:01 AM
Ah right - using on-board sound then?
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Post by: Jamoe on May 04, 2006, 11:06:03 AM
Do you get anything? HDD/Fans starting up?

Does that little light on the MB come on?
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Post by: Nefrion on May 04, 2006, 01:58:23 PM
All fans and harddisks start up. There are no lights on the MB to show if it runs. No display to show error codes either.

Yes I am using onboard sound.

I have tried to replace the following: PSU, MB, RAM, HDD, GFX.

I have reset bios, tried to disconnect everything down to a minimum.

Im out of ideas!!
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Post by: ShadowElf on May 04, 2006, 09:17:07 PM
The reset of bios is realy good sometimes but you have to do it the correct way :)

To reset your Bios you have to locate the 3 pins that should be around the battery place.
2 pins should be connected and 1 lose, if you change it so the lose pin can be connected and let the other pin be lose.

after you have done that you can press the on and off button on your PC sometimes.

and then switch the pin to normal place and you have reseted your bios =D

done that to many friends to fix their PC from wrong booting up and overclock and stuff like that.
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Post by: ShadowElf on May 04, 2006, 09:19:04 PM
if that dosnt work you have to buy a new or a new mainboard and powersuply. :unsure:
and i have never been over 50*C so i dont think thats good =/
37*C is normal for me and i have 20*C everywere alse in my PC
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Post by: ShadowElf on May 04, 2006, 09:30:01 PM
damit that whould be buy a new PC :P the first time i writed "Buy a new"....
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Post by: Blunt on May 04, 2006, 09:35:14 PM
does it go "beep"?
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Post by: ShadowElf on May 04, 2006, 09:42:33 PM
he said earlier that he had no beeps anymore and there are a beep list here in this forum someplace :P