Dead Men Walking

This is an early headsup that we are going to have to start to fund the community to keep it going.

We calculate that we will need to raise £100 per month to cover the costs of hosting and bandwidth.

When you consider our rackspace and bandwidth usage this is still a very good deal and it would make no sense to even consider looking for a better one.

What we need to decide (quite quickly) is how to raise the funds from the membership to cover our costs. Your suggestions are most welcome but please keep this discussion within this section only for now please.

a sad day but not completely unexpected.

Who should we ask to pay and how much?

Should we have different levels of payment for different levels of membership?

Should Admins pay more (or less?)

or, to put it another way, I think we got lotsa questions we need to answer. What sort of timescales are we looking at? How quickly do we need to act?

100 people paying £1/month would cover it :D

QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@May 15 2006, 07:56 PM
... 100 people paying £1/month would cover it :D

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Which people?

More questions than answers are expected  :P

I'm amazed it lasted this long. The difficult thing will be to gather the folks who are willing and able to cough up. I reckon those of us that have control to whatever degree will be the ones to carry dMw. I'll start by saying I'm good for my share whatever it may be. There MUST be 20 people who would gladly stump up £60 a year! Peanuts!

EDIT: I've just had a look at the various admins and I reckon you can count on at least 10 members to kick in. £10 a month. This must not turn into a problem. (Am I starting to sound hysterical?)

QuoteOriginally posted by Doorman@May 15 2006, 09:46 PM
This must not turn into a problem. (Am I starting to sound hysterical?)

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I don't see the amount needed as a problem.

It's what we have to do to keep the structure fair. For example, should those that pay have added benefits to those that don't?

Do we have a deadline to meet? How's about a Teamspeak pow WoW?

QuoteOriginally posted by Doorman@May 15 2006, 08:46 PM
I'll start by saying I'm good for my share whatever it may be. There MUST be 20 people who would gladly stump up £60 a year! Peanuts!

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I'm in too - I reckon we should easily find 20. The idea of a TS powwow sounds good (there is a provate admin channel on the dMw TS server but the password escapes me

Edit: PW here (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=11425&view=findpost&p=102563)

QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@May 16 2006, 08:44 AM
I'm in too - I reckon we should easily find 20. The idea of a TS powwow sounds good (there is a provate admin channel on the dMw TS server but the password escapes me

Edit: PW here (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=11425&view=findpost&p=102563)

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Mmm, it still escapes you.

Don't forget the option to add Affliates to our website under the revamp with the new software.  If enough people use it then it could well add up to that amount anyway according to G's experience with it on SEKA.

TS chat is a good idea, Wedenesday night is best for me.

TL.

I will try to be there too ...

IF I can get TS to work
IF I can get the IP
IF its not the same time as the match
IF I'm home from work ...

 :whistle:

TS details

http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10701 (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10701)

Cheers BB .just tried it... got in no probs!!! ;)

QuoteOriginally posted by MAD_ness@May 16 2006, 06:47 PM
Cheers BB .just tried it... got in no probs!!! ;)

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nb the dmw admins channel I mentioned a few posts above (you know, the one where Ron laughed at me ;))

There is no password on the other end of your linky poo.  :rolleyes:

QuoteOriginally posted by Doorman@May 16 2006, 08:48 PM
There is no password on the other end of your linky poo. :rolleyes:

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I'll paste the relevant bit from the page that you get to by clicking on my link:

QuoteChannel: dMw Admins
Password: n0sey (thats a zero not an Oh)

 :narnar:

Someone prod me on MSN later will you? I'm old, when I have found my way home I usually start forgetting about this type of thing :)

TL.

QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@May 17 2006, 01:56 PM
I'll paste the relevant bit from the page that you get to by clicking on my link:
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I get an error page.  :narnar:  :narnar:

QuoteOriginally posted by Doorman@May 17 2006, 03:47 PM
I get an error page. :narnar: :narnar:

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minion!  :narnar:

Everything is in place apart from we haven't agreed a time!!!

Any time from..........................NOW!

be around 7:30 or 8 before I can get on - wife doing online shopping and daughter doing homework in this room just now :(

sorry guys...was on balders ready for match from 7 - 9......then doing other stuff. can we sorta time out so I can try to get on ?...ta!

QuoteOriginally posted by MAD_ness@May 17 2006, 09:54 PM
sorry guys...was on balders ready for match from 7 - 9......then doing other stuff. can we sorta time out so I can try to get on ?...ta!

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Will do.

We need to ressurect this.  I suggest we meet on Saturday night at 8pm UK time on a Teamspeak server to discuss.  The SoG one is available, the Ventrillo one is not big enough and I do not know if the dMr TS server is still up (I am at work and cannot check).

Who can be there?

TL.

QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Jun 16 2006, 09:53 AM
We need to ressurect this. I suggest we meet on Saturday night at 8pm UK time on a Teamspeak server to discuss. The SoG one is available, the Ventrillo one is not big enough and I do not know if the dMr TS server is still up (I am at work and cannot check).

Who can be there?

TL.

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Can't make it. We have visitors all weekend.

QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Jun 16 2006, 10:53 AM
We need to ressurect this. I suggest we meet on Saturday night at 8pm UK time on a Teamspeak server to discuss. The SoG one is available, the Ventrillo one is not big enough and I do not know if the dMr TS server is still up (I am at work and cannot check).

Who can be there?

TL.

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I'm out for the night. :(

I might be available some time in the afternoons ....both Sat/Sun ..if that helps...otherwise I am back on days shift next week so could be around sometime after 7 most nights ..

Whilst browsing this forum .... I've just read this and wondered what the latest news was on it.

I seem to recall that there was a discussion about funding and subscriptions in the 'open' forum last summer but nothing was decided.

Is this no longer a problem or is the Community surviving ?

I know the LAN's etc normally generate a few hundred squidlies but that can't be enough to sustain it - surely?

PEN

Quote from: Penfold;179067... I know the LAN's etc normally generate a few hundred squidlies but that can't be enough to sustain it - surely?

PEN

At present we are funding the community from LAN funds. This is not ideal as it means we lose any chance of building up any sort of contingency fund. It also means that the LAN attendees are keeping us afloat financialy. This is also less than ideal or fair.

It's time, again, to make an appeal to the community as a whole to do what they can to support us. Expect a 'TeaLeaf Special' soon.

Quote from: OldBloke;179090It's time, again, to make an appeal to the community as a whole to do what they can to support us. Expect a 'TeaLeaf Special' soon.

Yeah good call, the last public appeal was in Oct 05 so it's probably time

Also good to have an appeal before the LAN as the community funds will look less healthy).

Let me know if there's anything I can do to help

PEN

Aye, wot OB said.  I have been more than a little tardy with moving forward on other otpions.  I'll try to work some time into researchign them and the costs, so please keep prompting me.

TL.

vBulletin supports a number of systems to automate a subscription process.  At the moment this means we need to consider Paypal, Nochex, Worldpay, Authorize.net, 2Checkout, Moneybookers & CCbill.

Paypal Charges
(Merchant Account - you cannot do a personal as we would exceed the number of transactions per year via credit/debit card)
Monthly Turnover
£0.00 GBP-£1,500.00 GBP    3.4% + £0.20 GBP
£1,500.01 GBP-£6,000.00 GBP    2.9% + £0.20 GBP
£6,000.01 GBP-£15,000.00 GBP    2.4% + £0.20 GBP
£15,000.01 GBP-£55,000.00 GBP    1.9% + £0.20 GBP
above £55,000.00 GBP*    1.4% + £0.20 GBP
International transactions are marignally higher.

Nochex
(Seller Account)
2.9% + 0.20p per transaction

Worldpay
Application Costs:

    * Set-up Fee: £200
    * Monthly Fee: £30 each month (first month payable upon application).

Transaction Service Charges:

We charge per transaction for the following:
Internet Merchant Account

    * UK Debit cards: £0.20 - £0.25 per transaction.
    * Credit cards: 2.4% - 2.9% per transaction.

Payment Processing Service

    * UK Debit cards: £0.18 - £0.25 per transaction.
    * Credit cards: 1.35% - 1.6% per transaction.

Additional Charges
    * Additional Currencies: Domestic currency provided as standard part of Internet Merchant Account. £50 per additional currency.
    * Chargebacks: due to the costs involved in reversing transactions, WorldPay will charge you £10 for every chargeback.
    * Settlement: Settlement in GBP for a UK bank account is £0.35. Settlement to a bank account outside the UK and in local currency is £2.50.
      The minimum amount that can be settled is £10.00 in GBP, and the equivalent of £100.00 for all other currencies.

Authorize.net
All resellers of the netpay system are US based and it doesn' look like it is appropriate for us.

2Checkout
# $49 one time signup fee
# $0.45 per Sale
# 5.5% of Sale Amount

Moneybookers.com
Payments from the Moneybooker account to the dMw current account - €1.80
Charges €0.50 capped per transaction plus 0.95% for currency conversion for $/euros to GBP or 1.3% if other countries.

CCbill
Transaction Volume: 0 - 5000 per month - 14.5%
Higher transactions get lower charges.

Quote from: TeaLeaf;179142Aye, wot OB said.  I have been more than a little tardy with moving forward on other otpions.  I'll try to work some time into researchign them and the costs, so please keep prompting me.

TL.

Like I said - Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

I know you're v. busy at the min with your new work venture.

Cheers

PEN

Conclusion:
We have previously used Paypal so I would intend to offer this again.  I also think the MOneybookers & Nochex offerings are good.  

I have today set up 'dMw' accounts with Paypal, Nochex & Moneybookers.

I have activated these three payment options in the Admincp.  

All that remains is to figure out how the heck the admincp handles everything and how we set up subscription access!  We also need to go play with the CMPS and get it into some sort of state where it is usable as a lot of the play text is just no longer relevant.

TL.

Right, so here is the Nochex link for payment.

TL.

<A target=&quot;_blank&quot;HREF=&quot;http://www.nochex.com/payme.asap?email=admin@deadmen.co.uk&quot;><IMG border=&quot;0&quot; SRC=&quot;http://www.nochex.com/web/images/payme4.gif&quot;></A>

This is a NEW Paypal button attached to the new dMw paypal account.  

TL.

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<input type=&quot;hidden&quot; name=&quot;cmd&quot; value=&quot;_s-xclick&quot;>
<input type=&quot;image&quot; src=&quot;https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/btn/x-click-but5.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; name=&quot;submit&quot; alt=&quot;Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure!&quot;>
<img alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; src=&quot;https://www.paypal.com/en_GB/i/scr/pixel.gif&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot;>
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&quot;>
</form>

Moneybookers.com code to follow once the various formalities have been completed.

TL.

Excellent work, Paul. I'm out for most of today but will look into your findings asap.

Yeah nice work - I must say I understand only about 15% of all that coding stuff!

PEN

If/ when we start a subscription - can we give a small discount for those people who fold?

WDYT... may get a few more folders online?

PEN

Quote from: Penfold;181367If/ when we start a subscription - can we give a small discount for those people who fold?

WDYT... may get a few more folders online?
PEN

I don't think we should be doing that.  Folding is something people should want to do for the right reasons, not to save a few pounds.

Quote from: Whitey;181401I don't think we should be doing that.  Folding is something people should want to do for the right reasons, not to save a few pounds.

Oh sheet. :doh:

If I'd known F@H was an alternative to the Atkins Diet I would have borged a whole frikkin' server farm.. :yahoo:

TL.

Quote from: TeaLeaf;181492Oh sheet. :doh:

If I'd known F@H was an alternative to the Atkins Diet I would have borged a whole frikkin' server farm.. :yahoo:

TL.

:roflmao: borg away!

ooh, totally missed the updates to this. Do I need to do anything with those new links? Or change anything or are you chaps all happy with the inner workings of vb now? :D

I think the 'help' option sounded better to me :p

TL.