Dead Men Walking

Now i know we had some odd stuff happening the last few weeks (us not killing ragnaros for a few times, ppl taking stuff they will propably never use) that bothers me, but i figure, hey its not worth getting pissed about, i know i play this game a ton, and i get quite pasionate about it at times, even get into arguments from time to time. All of em get talked about and let go pritty quickly, cause afterall its still just a game.

Now us not allowing alts in raid is something i would like to see changed (heck i had one awsome time in MC last nite, best fun i had in ages in MC) and id like to reopen the discussion sometime soon. But in the long run its just not worth getting really fussed up about.

Same goes for us not killing ragnaros, i know there is a lot of frustration among cetrian classes in paticular (druids any1?). And i can understand it, but like last nite we couldnt have done it in any case. Sure i want to kill him too, but there is a limit to what we can do, and 30 ppl w/ only 2 mages is just not gonne happen.

Now if we really want to make the point clear that we wont stand up w/ half the raid skipping MC, then set up a rule that MC will get done, no matter what, even if we have to sacrifice half a BWL nite, frankly i wouldnt care the least bit about that, gives us more time to build up the gear we need for nef, and we will probably still be able to get chrommy down.

As a side note, All the frustration can be let out by bitching on TS against others (officers preferd / officers channel) by making rant posts on forum (like this one) or abusing officers channel, or directly whispering officers (like i did last nite to Vargen and Tanales, as i prefer to keep an clam outward appearance). There is also some stuff we just CANT do as officers, i am thinking about last nite here and the false loot link, that pissed of so much ppl and i got so many angry whispers i was honestly ashamed of beeing an officer there.

now the point of this all is: If you are beeing frustrated fine, but FOR TANGOS SAKE dont vent it in a bad way w/ the apperant aim to piss off as much ppl as possible. Work out a solution that does work. Set up rules, and follow them.

Nice post bastet..... its good for conversation and ofcoz i just have to reply on a post like this

QuoteNow us not allowing alts in raid is something i would like to see changed (heck i had one awsome time in MC last nite, best fun i had in ages in MC) and id like to reopen the discussion sometime soon. But in the long run its just not worth getting really fussed up about.

Im ALL for ALTS as long as they dont interfere with the completing of the task at hand. Which is why im NOT for ALT's in AQ f.ex. since many of the ALT's dont cut it, but in MC with a limited amount, its just fine

QuoteSame goes for us not killing ragnaros, i know there is a lot of frustration among cetrian classes in paticular (druids any1?). And i can understand it, but like last nite we couldnt have done it in any case. Sure i want to kill him too, but there is a limit to what we can do, and 30 ppl w/ only 2 mages is just not gonne happen.

The whole raid a long yesterday, it was VERY apparant that we werent able to kill Ragnaros, and if we dont kill Ragnaros, there is NO idea in killing Domo since he respawns anyways next time. Therefore the Calling of the raid, was undoubtly correct

QuoteNow if we really want to make the point clear that we wont stand up w/ half the raid skipping MC, then set up a rule that MC will get done, no matter what, even if we have to sacrifice half a BWL nite, frankly i wouldnt care the least bit about that, gives us more time to build up the gear we need for nef, and we will probably still be able to get chrommy down.

Yeah im in for that. As much as i'd like us to progress in BWL, we shouldnt be slacking in the core areas where the Guild needs to go (ie. MC). So we could consider making MC attendance = BWL attendance. This is a drastic thing to do, but sometimes, drastic measures needs to be done

QuoteAs a side note, All the frustration can be let out by bitching on TS against others (officers preferd / officers channel) by making rant posts on forum (like this one) or abusing officers channel, or directly whispering officers (like i did last nite to Vargen and Tanales, as i prefer to keep an clam outward appearance). There is also some stuff we just CANT do as officers, i am thinking about last nite here and the false loot link, that pissed of so much ppl and i got so many angry whispers i was honestly ashamed of beeing an officer there.

Hey, the false loot link was not that big a deal i thought, but then again im not so much into loot. I do however think that Vargen's kinda childish behaviour in the end of the raid was uncalled for, and he of all people should be able to react differently even though things didnt exactly go his way.

I've been thinking about this one for a while, and we might take an approach to MC where we as officers, and the guild, stand behind Vargen and therefore we will keep doing MC until his Pants drop. We need to support eachother really!

Quote now the point of this all is: If you are beeing frustrated fine, but FOR TANGOS SAKE dont vent it in a bad way w/ the apperant aim to piss off as much ppl as possible. Work out a solution that does work. Set up rules, and follow them.

Maybe its time to try to web based sign up form for the 40 man raids, or impose other rules that will make us succed in all raids not just the newer and interesting ones ?

Also think we should consider making Soldiers legitimate to raid even though they dont have to or have a commitment. We apparantly need them in the raids, and therefore it should be allowed for Soldiers to come in, and if we dont want to give all the loot from MC to a certain char, then impose a rule saying MAX. 3 items pr. night. F.ex.

Not filling the empty spots in the raid with Soldiers, because we have a rule saying we cant, is just plain stupid

QuoteOriginally posted by Padding+Jun 2 2006, 09:37 AM-->

QUOTE(Padding @ Jun 2 2006, 09:37 AM)

Im ALL for ALTS as long as they dont interfere with the completing of the task at hand. Which is why im NOT for ALT's in AQ f.ex. since many of the ALT's dont cut it, but in MC with a limited amount, its just fine[/b]

If more ppl think the same about this then i wouldnt mind to take it on myselfs to set up some rules (dkp / priority / number / invite system) and raid with my warrior a bit more, was kick TANGO last nite :)

QuoteOriginally posted by Padding@Jun 2 2006, 09:37 AM
The whole raid a long yesterday, it was VERY apparant that we werent able to kill Ragnaros, and if we dont kill Ragnaros, there is NO idea in killing Domo since he respawns anyways next time. Therefore the Calling of the raid, was undoubtly correct

I dont question the descission to call the raid, there was nothing we could have done, i thought it possible if we had some reinforcements which didnt came.

QuoteOriginally posted by Padding@Jun 2 2006, 09:37 AM
Yeah im in for that. As much as i'd like us to progress in BWL, we shouldnt be slacking in the core areas where the Guild needs to go (ie. MC). So we could consider making MC attendance = BWL attendance. This is a drastic thing to do, but sometimes, drastic measures needs to be done

I agree, and a lot of ppl still need items from MC, mostly ragnaros. The drop rate for some pants are really apoaling. I am all for doing this at the cost of BWL, if we where to set it up so that we would finish MC regardless of BWL that MC attendance would go up quickly