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Poll
Question: Should we use Teamspeak in CS matches
Option 1: votes: 0
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Whitey on June 19, 2006, 07:00:04 PM
This poll only concerns match play and match practice.  The in-game comms last night were next to useless, so I think we should use Teamspeak as a backup. What do you think?
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: JB on June 19, 2006, 07:07:11 PM
Hmm... I wanna vote yes, but because I wanna see what the quality is like not because I wanna win more.
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Doris on June 19, 2006, 07:10:27 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Whitey@Jun 19 2006, 06:00 PM
This poll only concerns match play and match practice.  The in-game comms last night were next to useless, so I think we should use Teamspeak as a backup. What do you think?
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Im not fussed, it would have been good last night, it would have been nice when the clan 'forgot' to turn alltalk off, (calling everything over mic, they could hear it, we lose?) its also useful when we die, talking to our team about where they were how many were there and what guns they had, all vital points to winning a game. (not having a dig or anything but has bf2 got alltalk? im sure that helkps to winning a  game.

its also dead people talking, but only for about 3 seconds while youre dead on the floor. not as if you can follow the other team around ghosting.
Its a thing that would help, and now nearly every clan/community has it.

Is it time for a change?
and...  i wanna win more. dMW will be 1st one day.
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Doorman on June 19, 2006, 07:33:02 PM
I guess I really shouldn't be commenting here because I don't play matches, in fact I rarely play CZ. But I do feel strongly about using TS. When you're dead, you're dead! You can't talk, end of story. In my view, it's the thin end of the wedge cheating wise, I mean, where do you draw the line in the 'I want to win more' stakes? The only reason TS isn't on the banned list is because it can't be detected. The report on a match the other day went on about someone with an AWM who was seriously good enough for aspersions to be cast. My guess is they were using TS.
Even if you used TS with the reasonable intention of better quality, you'd be a bloody saint not to warn your teamie "There's one behind the crate on your left" (When you're dead that is)
At the end of the day, it's not the dMw way. It's a slippery slope you'd be on.

At the very least, when you win (which is not that rare an event) you know it was by playing FAIR  :)

/Gob now shut.  :cheers:
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Hippy on June 19, 2006, 08:11:22 PM
Im not too fussed.

If we are allowed to use TS it could cause more problems than its worth. Leaving a player to do their thing without having the rest of the team screaming 'SAVE YOUR GUN!!' is important and im sure nobody wants to hear the cries of 'ffs' when a player is frustrated.

In matches you can only view what your alive team mates see. The use of TS will only allow the team to call what they saw before they died, and give a little helpful advice such as "pick up the AK!". The whole 'but it's cheating' argument is weak.

This is besides the point, The voice quality on servers is inconsistant, it was a real hinderance last night.

Personally if the use of TS could be detected i doubt it would be banned.

QuoteThe report on a match the other day went on about someone with an AWM who was seriously good enough for aspersions to be cast. My guess is they were using TS.

The use of TS does not tell you where to aim or when the opposition is about to walk around a corner. Only a wallhack or a graphic driver exploit would give you these abilities.
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Grimnar on June 19, 2006, 08:23:04 PM
I don't like it.

But it can help you alot in a match.

When i was In BoD and started up their matches they also used TS. And with every match we used it. And it works alot sometimes. Your dead teamm8's may only follow you but they can sometimes hear more then the one alive.
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: JB on June 19, 2006, 09:19:34 PM
I would add it takes the pressure off trying to scream "There's 6 of em rushing Long A" while they're bearing down on you, you know your gonna die shortly but can have a go anyway without the pressure of trying to kill them and finding the mic key.
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: DuVeL on June 19, 2006, 09:26:54 PM
I'd say use it. This was the second time we came upon a server like that and I really couldn't figure out what was being said.
As in the "cheating"part. I don't see it as cheating but it's more of a helping hand so you can say where your opponent was coming from.

As Ice mentioned: I've got my headset set pretty loud so I can hear sounds coming from far. Sometimes in matches this can be usefull aswell saying where the player is coming from.

So for me:
-It can be very usefull if we use it the correct way.
-Loads of clans use it and when we say we use ingame voicecomms we get laughed at sometimes. Last nights VC's were really crappy and I was one of the guys who said: I think we might need to reconsider TS again.
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Vincentvega on June 19, 2006, 10:47:08 PM
Iam with Hippy on this, how can it be classed as cheating?
If other clans are using it then why shouldnt we ? :unsure:
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: RizZy on June 19, 2006, 10:47:15 PM
I'm all for using Teamspeak, always have been, makes match play alot differant.
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Doorman on June 19, 2006, 11:24:13 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Vincentvega+Jun 19 2006, 10:47 PM-->
QUOTE(Vincentvega @ Jun 19 2006, 10:47 PM)
.....how can it be classed as cheating? [/b]
Cheating may be too strong a word, but if the game is designed for you not to speak to team mates when you're dead then you are using more than the game provides.

Title: Teamspeak
Post by: RizZy on June 20, 2006, 12:08:07 AM
The thing that gets me with us not being able to use it in CS & the you can't talk to each other when your dead arguement, is the fact that everyone seemed happy for us to use it in BF2 matches so everyone could speak to each other, whatever squad you were in - not part of the game as far as I know, so whats the big differance to using it in CS? from what I can see either way your using an external program to communicate with team mates in a way the game doesn't allow you to.
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Blunt on June 20, 2006, 12:32:57 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Doorman@Jun 19 2006, 11:24 PM
Cheating may be too strong a word, but if the game is designed for you not to speak to team mates when you're dead then you are using more than the game provides.
That argument is a bit thin. There are clams that cheat properly as you well know but I don't hear anyone saying 'why don't we?'
If dMw don't keep up the standards, we might just as well not bother. After all, why did you all join dMw in the first place? Because we play fair!
But I suppose it'll go the way most things go. The 'professional' foul is ok isn't it?
Winning is everything? In which case I'm well out of order and I'll say no more.
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I voted yes for a back-up....
on reflection...
I'm with Ron 8)
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: DuVeL on June 20, 2006, 07:20:34 AM
Ron, why do you have an extra voice serverthing for your game then if it's not in the game itself?
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Whitey on June 20, 2006, 08:45:32 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Doorman+Jun 19 2006, 11:24 PM-->
QUOTE(Doorman @ Jun 19 2006, 11:24 PM)
There are clams that cheat properly
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I hate those cheating clams and we will never stoop to their levels!  ;)
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Doorman on June 20, 2006, 09:50:19 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL+Jun 20 2006, 07:20 AM-->
QUOTE(DuVeL @ Jun 20 2006, 07:20 AM)
Ron, why do you have an extra voice serverthing for your game then if it's not in the game itself?
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I wondered who'd be the first to pick that up.  :rolleyes:  In a driving game there is no advantage to be had. Unless you call the ability to apologise immediately for hitting someone, an advantage. There's no advantage in me saying "Look out Oldie, there's a car behind you!", while I'm sitting in the garage spectating

QuoteOriginally posted by Whitey@
I hate those cheating clams and we will never stoop to their levels!
That is unfair. I had a long day

Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Doorman on June 20, 2006, 09:52:49 AM
I've only just voted and note that I'm not alone :D  :narnar:
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: DuVeL on June 20, 2006, 10:08:30 AM
QuoteI wondered who'd be the first to pick that up. In a driving game there is no advantage to be had.
Exactly our point, we have a bit of an disadvantage because other clans do use it. The sound on that server was really poor as mentioned before and they didn't really do alot to change it.

I think that if we'd put up a poll for just the people who play matches nowadays that the result will be completely different in the poll. To be honoust, it's the old matchplayers that keep saying we never needed it so we don't need it now aswell.

Flame me for it but this just my 2p for this discussion.
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Doorman on June 20, 2006, 10:31:44 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL@Jun 20 2006, 10:08 AM
To be honoust, it's the old matchplayers that keep saying we never needed it so we don't need it now aswell.
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Oh dear. Being old doesn't automatically make you wrong and being young certainly doesn't automatically make you right.
Like I said, it doesn't matter what I think, you'll do what you think is right anyway.
Incidently, you KNOW everyone else is using it, you can only assume they are. If that's your justification, then job done!
I'm now outta here 'cos it's getting too intense and life's too short. :D
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: DuVeL on June 20, 2006, 10:40:29 AM
You know what I mean as in "old".
Not as in age but the people who are now playing different games and who have stopped playing CZ-matches for -=[dMw]=-. And you know I ment that and not the age thing, I know your English is good  ;).

And no, it's not my justification that everyone is using it. I might point out to the nice gentlemen that I never said "all" clans use it. But most clans do. :)

Nice discussion Ron and I know I life is to short to keep discussing about stuff like this. Pint at the LAN again?  8)
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Doorman on June 20, 2006, 11:33:03 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL@Jun 20 2006, 10:40 AM
Pint at the LAN again? 8)
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You're on!  :D
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Hippy on June 20, 2006, 02:28:05 PM
Quoteyou are using more than the game provides.

Can that be applied to the binds, alias' and scripts? The game doesn't provide you with the means to jump then duck at the push of 1 button nor does it give you a means to toggle walk or duck.


Just for the record I voted for use it as a back up, i like using in game comms.

I've PCWs with a few 'friends' from different servers/clans, and it gives no advantage except clarity. Which is why we wanted to use it on sunday.
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: DuVeL on June 30, 2006, 07:24:18 AM
So are we starting a server up just in case we come upon a server with bad VC's?
 :unsure:
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: KKND on June 30, 2006, 07:32:43 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL@Jun 30 2006, 08:24 AM
So are we starting a server up just in case we come upon a server with bad VC's?
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good idea Duv 8)
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: DuVeL on June 30, 2006, 07:39:51 AM
Well, I just rememberd we started this poll and as there is a CZcupthingy coming up...
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: OldBloke on June 30, 2006, 08:06:56 AM
If and only if the in-game comms are b0rked then use the dMw Teamspeak Server. (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10701)
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2006, 08:31:36 AM
I have created a passworded channel called "dMw CZ Standby Comms Channel" - the password is the same as the password on the match server. - at  least that way you'll get some privacy :)
Title: Teamspeak
Post by: DuVeL on June 30, 2006, 08:36:19 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by OldBloke+Jun 30 2006, 09:06 AM-->
QUOTE(OldBloke @ Jun 30 2006, 09:06 AM)
If and only if the in-game comms are b0rked then use the dMw Teamspeak Server. (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10701)
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