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Title: wireless networks
Post by: Armitage on June 22, 2006, 01:36:13 PM
I don't have one at home, but i have just got a new laptop from work. I have noticed just how many people DON'T put any security on there routers.

I am sitting in my car having some lunch and i have my choice of networks to access. :whistle:


So if you have a wireless netwok just take a look and add some security.
Title: wireless networks
Post by: suicidal_monkey on June 22, 2006, 02:20:05 PM
just switching plain old simple WEP on should ward of the casual drifting laptop-carriers as there's enough unsecured stuff out there for them to pick and choose from! :) ...adding in MAC filtering helps I find
Title: wireless networks
Post by: delanvital on June 22, 2006, 02:46:34 PM
Yes, WEP and MAC-filtering does the job IMHO. As you say, with that enabled there are plenty of easier targets out there.
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Jamoe on June 22, 2006, 02:51:41 PM
WEP, MAC-filtering and static IPs over here.
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Penfold on June 22, 2006, 03:41:59 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Jamoe@Jun 22 2006, 02:51 PM
WEP, MAC-filtering and static IPs over here.
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I have a wep installed but am not sure what mac-filtering is?

If I only use my laptop on my wireless connection how do I work the MAC-filtering thingy?

Thanks

PEN
Title: wireless networks
Post by: delanvital on June 22, 2006, 04:15:19 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by ThePENDRAGON@Jun 22 2006, 04:41 PM
I have a wep installed but am not sure what mac-filtering is?

If I only use my laptop on my wireless connection how do I work the MAC-filtering thingy?

Thanks

PEN
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MAC-filtering means only allowing network cards on your network with a particular MAC-address. And such an address is unique to every netcard. It is typically written on a little sticker at the bottom of your laptop.

You need to access your router and find your filtering menu, often under advanced setup. What make and model is your router?
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Jamoe on June 22, 2006, 04:19:05 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by ThePENDRAGON@Jun 22 2006, 02:41 PM
I have a wep installed but am not sure what mac-filtering is?

If I only use my laptop on my wireless connection how do I work the MAC-filtering thingy?

Thanks

PEN
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Start > Run > cmd

type ipconfig /all

and you should be presented with lots of info.

u should see something like  this.

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-12-F0-B7-65-6F

thats a MAC address


whats your router model?
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Cadaver on June 22, 2006, 04:48:16 PM
At home I have:Paranoid? Me?  :)

If some bugger really wants to hack my network, then so be it.  I ain't making it easy for 'em though...  :ph34r:
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2006, 04:54:08 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Cadaver@Jun 22 2006, 03:48 PM
At home I have:
  • WPA-PSK encryption with >10 character key




  • SSID broadcast disabled






If some bugger really wants to hack my network, then so be it.  I ain't making it easy for 'em though...  :ph34r:
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Mmmm!

To get 256bit WPA encryption you actually need a 63 character key.
SSID is broadcast in clear with every packet anyway so hiding it just makes it more difficult to actually get a connection yourself :D

Here are 3 random 63 character keys:

LUYklX&H5K1
iwC>AJJMxk'dj@cG.'!sVDFsg~4D8`'o&62jY8-!2J!!6jCzPi&Dv.*~\5PhU0F

jDSFXSjZ/7i,Y
mix them up and use them as passwords for your wireless network :)

I used Password Guru to make the keys - it's free - http://www.cezeo.com/products/passwordsguru/ (http://www.cezeo.com/products/passwordsguru/)
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Cadaver on June 22, 2006, 06:21:10 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Jun 22 2006, 04:54 PM
Mmmm!

To get 256bit WPA encryption you actually need a 63 character key.
I know that.  I said I had >10 characters in my key as I didn't want to say how many I actually had.  I could be using 63.  :whistle: ;)

QuoteSSID is broadcast in clear with every packet anyway so hiding it just makes it more difficult to actually get a connection yourself :D
I know that as well.   ;)
However, I also know my wireless network is there and what it's called.  Others don't.  Doesn't take too long to enter that info in manually when connecting a new device for the first time.

If  someone were to do a scan for my wifi network, they should just see an unnamed network (if indeed their scan sees one at all).  I doubt a random bloke with a laptop could be fagged with the extra step of trying to guess my SSID.  Especially as my both my neighbours are broadcasting theirs.  :doh:

My measures are only deterrents for a casual hacker, and just the way I do things (caveat: they're not necessarily the best way either).  I have no doubt that if somebody was desperate enough to hack my l'il ol' network, it could be done.  :dummy:
Title: wireless networks
Post by: DogMeat on June 22, 2006, 07:27:39 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by delanvital@Jun 22 2006, 04:15 PM
MAC-filtering means only allowing network cards on your network with a particular MAC-address. And such an address is unique to every netcard.
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Don't count on it...

http://www.google.com/search?q=mac+spoofing (http://www.google.com/search?q=mac+spoofing)
Title: wireless networks
Post by: delanvital on June 23, 2006, 12:17:39 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@Jun 22 2006, 08:27 PM
Don't count on it...

http://www.google.com/search?q=mac+spoofing (http://www.google.com/search?q=mac+spoofing)
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Yeah I know that. You had to spoil it, didn't you  ;) As before, better than nothin'!  :D
Title: wireless networks
Post by: suicidal_monkey on June 23, 2006, 01:20:33 PM
none of it is completely secure but at least some of it is harder to break!
Title: wireless networks
Post by: A Twig on June 24, 2006, 12:18:16 PM
I quite enjoy having other people on my network. Great way to meet new people. Dear god, I'm still very drunk...
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Othbarty on June 26, 2006, 08:27:46 PM
And another friendly reminder :)

If you are using a Intel Pro Wireless 2200 B/G card remember to update your driver ;)  The one that comes with the card/laptop usually sends out corrupted packages that makes some routers crash :) Found that out the hard way...  :dummy:
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Rabbi Bob on June 27, 2006, 12:36:09 AM
http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm (http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm)

Listen to eps 10&11.  Also, I recommend subscribing to this podcast.
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Sn00ks on June 27, 2006, 01:30:14 PM
My security is CAT5.
Only way they'll get access is by getting into the house, past the killer dog, 'Satans Little Helper', the cat and up three flights of stairs!
 :devil:
Title: wireless networks
Post by: delanvital on June 27, 2006, 01:47:37 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Othbarty@Jun 26 2006, 09:27 PM
And another friendly reminder :)

If you are using a Intel Pro Wireless 2200 B/G card remember to update your driver ;) The one that comes with the card/laptop usually sends out corrupted packages that makes some routers crash :) Found that out the hard way... :dummy:
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Yeah! We learned it the hard way at work. Took a while to solve  :angry:
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Carr0t on June 27, 2006, 04:04:03 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Sn00ks@Jun 27 2006, 12:30 PM
My security is CAT5.
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Amen to that!
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2006, 04:25:16 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Sn00ks@Jun 27 2006, 01:30 PM
My security is CAT5.
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In that case you'll need a firewall:

CAT5 Firewall (http://shop.btcv.org.uk/upload/images/standard/81_T71.jpg)
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Carr0t on June 28, 2006, 09:43:05 AM
We used them once. Bored one day at work, and some little scrote on the uni student residence network was doing very naughty things. We cut his cat5 in the comms room with boltcutters, and left the severed end + connector pinned to his door, with a pic of the empty hole labelled with his house/floor/room number.

We were *very* bored, and he had really annoyed us too.
Title: wireless networks
Post by: delanvital on June 28, 2006, 10:14:54 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Carr0t@Jun 28 2006, 10:43 AM
We used them once. Bored one day at work, and some little scrote on the uni student residence network was doing very naughty things. We cut his cat5 in the comms room with boltcutters, and left the severed end + connector pinned to his door, with a pic of the empty hole labelled with his house/floor/room number.

We were *very* bored, and he had really annoyed us too.
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 :roflmao:

I take it you had no more trouble after that?
Title: wireless networks
Post by: Carr0t on June 28, 2006, 05:43:17 PM
Well, no. Lack of connection meant he had very little way of causing trouble, at least of the kind that we care about :P