Another reson i think this is a "bad" idea, is that i think it will split the guild. As it is right now, there is the >old< people, and the new once. Atm, unless you socialise, you wont meet people who are not in your own raidgroup. You can however get lucky and join an RG1 raid and meet some people as it is right now.[/b]
In the future you wont be able to join RG1 raids. When RG2 will begin in BWL it simply can't happen. However there are still loads of oppotunities to socialise. ZG/AQ raids, 5- and 10-man partys, world bosses, things like the invasion and just being a part of the guild chat.
QuoteOriginally posted by Asmoden@Jun 25 2006, 10:50 PM
Another reson i think this is a "bad" idea, is that i think it will split the guild. As it is right now, there is the >old< people, and the new once. Atm, unless you socialise, you wont meet people who are not in your own raidgroup. You can however get lucky and join an RG1 raid and meet some people as it is right now.
If you close the joining of RG2 - RG1, you might as well make 2 guilds. The two groups would work apart, recruit apart, have different leaders, make different raids and be two totaly different places in the game. The only thing we would really share was officers, and a guild chat.
I dont know if that was the original point of RG2, but if it was i must have gone wrong somewhere.
I can only talk for myself, and what I think the Officers decision on having a RG2.
When they where only 1 raidgroup, they couldnt gather enough people for the 20-man instances now we can (though we have had some slacking lately). Furthermore they have given some people a chance to see end game instances.
Asmoden, why do you want to go to RG1? Well wiping on new bosses, but thats what we're are about to do because I dont think that the first tries on BWL are that far away for RG2. So you want big repair bills, get them here ;)
And yeah, only taking members from RG2 to fill up RG1 is for me not the way to go
I think its nice to see these improvements being made and not just discussed. I am proud to be a part of a dynamic guild that listens to its members and acts on the input they bring.
I have not attended a raid for a whole month now due to computer problems. I just opened my account yesterday and are looking forward to tonight's raid.
Again, nice to see the officers take action on things being discussed.
Hi,
I would just like to add my two cents - even though its the same as what Mazii wrote.
I liked what i read in Vargens post - and i find it to be the right thing to do.
It has been a constant threat to RG2 that once there was a spot on RG1 the best equipped players would apply and leave RG2 behind. If that was their desire - well best of luck to you - but that leaves the rest of us in state where we cant progress as fast as we would like to.
When the best players leave RG2 we have to get new players to join - and that often mean players that are not experinced in MC and sure as hell arent as good equipped as the ones we loose. So once again we are forced to take a step back and try again - and thats pretty frustrating.
We have taken down Raggy twice now - and i would like to hope that he soon becomes a regular kill. There are plenty of challenges i RG2 if that is what yo seek. Before we even try our luck in BWL i would like to see us clear MC in one night - and i think that requires a bit more epic gear on RG2 members - but i can only speak for myself ;)
So once again - i can say i liked the post.
-DonnieKingo
I think all class leader from RG2 can agree with you Mazii and nice to see this post in public forums. Applause to Vargen / The officers.
One of the goal with RG2 is/must be to make it a independent raid group so when a member leave for RG1 it is a big step back for RG2. It will so nice if that stops.
Let us try to make a common raid group during the holidays so people back home can do something fun.
Well, as others have added their two cents, here's mine.
Like Asmoden, I am hoping to join RG1 for a free spot there as well. Some might think of this as "abandoning ship" or whatnot, but I have my reasons as well.
First off, the reason I didn't apply for RG1 as soon as I joined the guild, was that I hadn't been to MC or any of the "end game" instances before, and frankly thought I might get bored with it if I ran in there all the time. I've found that it is anything but boring, and would like to do it more often. RG2's "twice a week" is, as far as I see it, not enough. If we're going to get to BWL, AQ40 or the new Naxx instance, it's going to take ages. I play a lot (probably too much), and think that most of you have seen this through my attandance in both MC, ZG and AQ. I've tried to join BWL several times, but appart from a couple of times ages ago, someone else have gotten the free spot(s).
So you can say that I don't "support" RG2 by wanting to join RG1, but as I am looking for even more "effort" from my fellow raiders and more raid days per week, I guess the only way is by joining RG1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suppose RG2 will always stay as a twice a week thing.
Jemeny da :ph34r:
Note, that its not impossible for you to join, and that these things still need some work, mainly in talking with rg2 leaders.
/signed Vargen
Pretty nice job, gratz officers, hope raiding problems can fix!
Sao
QuoteOriginally posted by Zabard@Jun 26 2006, 09:42 AM
First off, the reason I didn't apply for RG1 as soon as I joined the guild, was that I hadn't been to MC or any of the "end game" instances before, and frankly thought I might get bored with it if I ran in there all the time. I've found that it is anything but boring, and would like to do it more often. RG2's "twice a week" is, as far as I see it, not enough. If we're going to get to BWL, AQ40 or the new Naxx instance, it's going to take ages. I play a lot (probably too much), and think that most of you have seen this through my attandance in both MC, ZG and AQ. I've tried to join BWL several times, but appart from a couple of times ages ago, someone else have gotten the free spot(s).
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Remember you have to deserve what you get, and by joining RG1 do you feel that you deserved it? I mean, they have wiped there way trough BWL earning there loot - and we have to do that aswell!
But lets see what the future brings :)
QuoteOriginally posted by Mazii@Jun 26 2006, 10:19 AM
Remember you have to deserve what you get, and by joining RG1 do you feel that you deserved it? I mean, they have wiped there way trough BWL earning there loot - and we have to do that aswell!
But lets see what the future brings :)
[post=133501]Quoted post[/post]
Should I be any less deserving than someone that goes from none-member straight to RG1?
Jemeny
No reason to start 'whining' about not beeing RG1.... Why not be proud of beeing RG2, and doing progress with them? Im proud of beeing RG2 Marshall and helping our second RG forward, that is why we look at changes for RG2 structure.
And btw, I dont plan on MC-sitting people all my WoW life. I plan to go to BWL+ with a good RG2, with a base of great players. So we are trying to find out how many people feel the same way, and who wants to abandon ship.
Note that the current system of raids is only there cause members requested a casual group, this is slowly changing allready with probably the adding of an attendance requirement for RG2. if on the long run members voice they want to add another raid day (and its supported by most of them) i dont see a problem there. Just note that any change will take a while to put into effect.
QuoteOriginally posted by Zabard@Jun 26 2006, 10:27 AM
Should I be any less deserving than someone that goes from none-member straight to RG1?
Jemeny
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No ofcourse not. But as Vargen states, the requirements for joining RG1 will soon be very big gearwise - and that will mean people have been in the instance before.
Hi
Just a note from me.
I do think it is important to be familiar with the fellow members of ur raid group to do well in the future and especcialy if we soon gonna try out BWL.
Ive been raiding in MC for like sept/oct last year and are a bit bored about it, and cant wait to start raiding in BWL. :D . In fakt that is why I do raid, to accomplish that goal. Now RG2 are about to start doing that 8)
The guild just have to make a choice. 1. None from RG2 will join RG1 and perhaps also start raiding another day in the week (many in RG2 are very dedicated players). 2. RG1 recruiting from RG2. But if you start recruiting even a few from RG2 to RG1 that can make other from RG2 leave cause of that, I dont know.
My point is that what ever the solution will be. State it clear for all to see.
Btw I dont know if RG1 can easily recruit none members with half BWL gear. So they too will be "set back" if that is the solution.
QuoteOriginally posted by Sazgul@Jun 26 2006, 10:35 AM
No reason to start 'whining' about not beeing RG1.... Why not be proud of beeing RG2, and doing progress with them? Im proud of beeing RG2 Marshall and helping our second RG forward, that is why we look at changes for RG2 structure.
I'd like if people stop calling others whiners for stating their opinions and views.
Jem
Yes RG1 might be set back if they have to recruit people outside the guild but again- why should RG2 be punished for RG1's lack of attendance?
Nice initiative officers!
QuoteOriginally posted by Zabard@Jun 26 2006, 10:53 AM
I'd like if people stop calling others whiners for stating their opinions and views.
Jem
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Note the
'' ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by Devout@Jun 26 2006, 09:49 AM
The guild just have to make a choice. 1. None from RG2 will join RG1 and perhaps also start raiding another day in the week (many in RG2 are very dedicated players). 2. RG1 recruiting from RG2. But if you start recruiting even a few from RG2 to RG1 that can make other from RG2 leave cause of that, I dont know.
[post=133520]Quoted post[/post]
Yes indeed we have dedicated players however i do have a problem on an extra raidday, because i have a newborn child that needs my attention, so i would problerly miss out 1/3 raid a week.
I think Vargen has said it very clearly that RG1 will NOT recruit directly from RG2, however if some would like to join RG1 thats another matter. Because its a personal desire, and i would not like to have a member unhappy in RG2 because we forbid him going to RG1.
The most dedicated ppl in RG2 should just have some loyalty towards our group and stay with us to progress. Still i do respect those wanting more faster than we can progress.
In relation to RG1 & RG2:
I think one thing that has been mentioned here but is worth repeating is this:
When RG2 start BWL (not that far away imho) then it will not be an option for an RG2 member to join the RG1 raid as *both* raid groups will be in BWL!!
Interraction is not ruled out, but the structure needs to be in place to allow both Raid Groups to stand tall and to stand strong.
TL.
In relatance what TL said, a bit of travel is also eazyer to take after members get thier gear up, when Rg1 first started BWL we couldnt do it if 1 person didnt show up, now we can take 6 lower geared RG2 members with out too much trouble (provided thier instructed properly), exceptions of this are fights RG1 didnt master yet (think nefarion)
Nice one TL - but that also means that the ppl who have ambitions more than RG2 have to make up thier minds right now? Not saying they should leave us, but they really have to consider what they really want.
I'm in RG2 and stick with it....as I'm very happy with the raiding. I woundn't mind if RG2 got another day raiding though, but there are also 20 man raids to join and those have some nice loot to (dkp less)......
D.
QuoteOriginally posted by Siffredi@Jun 26 2006, 10:20 AM
Nice one TL - but that also means that the ppl who have ambitions more than RG2 have to make up thier minds right now?
I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. It's not the one I reached.
TL.
If you read it, you could still apply for RG1 if a spot frees up, but the officers are not forced to pick some1 from rg2 anymore, if a better application comes in from outside the guild we could pick that one too. As before with warlocks and mages some of these classes did not want to step up. Some of them wanted. It just leaves both the members and the officers with more choises afaik.
Mazii;
QuoteNote the ''
Nice too see someone noticed the
'' in front and behind whining. :D - not calling anyone a whiner, jujst trying to explain myself.
QuoteOriginally posted by Sazgul@Jun 26 2006, 12:15 PM
Mazii;
Nice too see someone noticed the '' in front and behind whining. :D - not calling anyone a whiner, jujst trying to explain myself.
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I'm sorry for being illiterate, but perhaps you would like to explain what 'whiner' means, if not whiner?
Jem
I desire more raids. I play WoW everyday. I play for at least 8 hours everyday. We RG2 are raiding twice a week. It will soon be once a week if we can down Raggy in one day. So for the next 6 days what am I suppose to do? Hang around in IF? Doing countless naked Stockade runs? Adding another raid day would be nice and I was relieved to see Vargen's post as I was getting agitated with the unfair invite system when RG1 is short on people in BWL. Hope the new actions work..
QuoteOriginally posted by Keltor@Jun 26 2006, 12:55 PM
I desire more raids. I play WoW everyday. I play for at least 8 hours everyday. We RG2 are raiding twice a week. It will soon be once a week if we can down Raggy in one day. So for the next 6 days what am I suppose to do? Hang around in IF? Doing countless naked Stockade runs? Adding another raid day would be nice and I was relieved to see Vargen's post as I was getting agitated with the unfair invite system when RG1 is short on people in BWL. Hope the new actions work..
[post=133575]Quoted post[/post]
When it comes to the point that we in RG2 can clear MC in 1 night, then we are at the start of entering BWL - meaning we will raid BWL the other raid night. The Marshals and Officers are currently discussing adding another raid day, but before we can do that we need to know how many that can make it - expect more news soon.
QuoteOriginally posted by Mazii@Jun 26 2006, 01:05 PM
When it comes to the point that we in RG2 can clear MC in 1 night, then we are at the start of entering BWL - meaning we will raid BWL the other raid night. The Marshals and Officers are currently discussing adding another raid day, but before we can do that we need to know how many that can make it - expect more news soon.
[post=133576]Quoted post[/post]
Adding another raid day would, I'm sure, put both mine and other's minds at ease. I would be more than happy to stay with RG2 if this could be sorted.
Jem
im just guessing, but once rg2 start bwl, they would possibly raid on sunday and tuesday alongside rg1, as i thought the reason they dont raid on these days is incase rg1 needs an rg2 member. if rg2 are doing bwl anyway, they wont be available for rg1, hence dont have to not raid on sunday and tuesday. or something.
Yep, but this is currently up for discussion between the marshals and officers, so expect more news soon, however RG2 should focus first on getting ragnaros down on a weekly basis (and in 1 night) before they can start in BWL
QuoteOriginally posted by Menedil@Jun 26 2006, 01:36 PM
im just guessing, but once rg2 start bwl, they would possibly raid on sunday and tuesday alongside rg1, as i thought the reason they dont raid on these days is incase rg1 needs an rg2 member. if rg2 are doing bwl anyway, they wont be available for rg1, hence dont have to not raid on sunday and tuesday. or something.
[post=133584]Quoted post[/post]
Just a thought, but if we have raids on different days, then RG1 and RG2 can help each other out if we have low attandance. Either if you did not have the chance to raid on your RG's day, or you have an alt to help out with. After all, having the help of a lower equipped alt is better than no help at all (in most cases).
Jem
I think it is important that RG2 is focusing on clearing MC in one night and not BWL.
QuoteOriginally posted by Mazii+Jun 26 2006, 12:05 PM-->QUOTE(Mazii @ Jun 26 2006, 12:05 PM)
When it comes to the point that we in RG2 can clear MC in 1 night, then we are at the start of entering BWL - meaning we will raid BWL the other raid night. The Marshals and Officers are currently discussing adding another raid day, but before we can do that we need to know how many that can make it - expect more news soon.
[post=133576]Quoted post[/post]
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nefertem@Jun 26 2006, 01:46 PM
Add another night now? Why would that help? If we aint starting in BWL now there is no point in adding it.. We can easyli take MC in two nights, almost even in a single night by now..
[post=133588]Quoted post[/post]
The simple reason for this would be that we are very close to doing MC in one night, maybe not in four hours, but in one night none the less.
Of course we should get MC to farm status, but when we do it in one night, there is no reason to stop doing raids other nights. And it would be no point going back to an empty MC. Now when it comes to BWL, that's a whole new ball game. And if we're gonna try to learn the ropes by going there one night a week, we wouldn't get far.
We have to keep doing MC, as many need a lot of items there as well, just like RG1 is doing today. Tho I suspect they might soon drop MC to start looking at AQ40/Naxx?
Just want to add my two cents on the topic concerning recruiting folks to RG1: should it be RG2 members or outsiders?
When an RG1 member stops raiding completely so that there is a free spot, I think that spot should be open both to RG2 members (if they by some reason desire that: and if so, nobody should blame 'em in any way for doing so) and people outside of the guild, and also ofc. Soldier members (but the chance for them to have the required gear is quite slim, if it's not an old RG1 member that wants to start raiding again or so).
The other option is that a RG1 member doesn't want to raid as much as required by a Guardian membership anymore (or that raid days don't fit or whatever), and thus would like to step down to Defender status. Than there is no need to bring "unnecessary" people into the guild. And that will also benefit RG2 very much since they will get both a very good geared and also a very good experienced member.
And also a short last note: it seem to me that there are some folks that have expressed negative oppinions towards RG2 members that might want to advance to RG1 (this is bdw an attitude I don't think will help keeping folks in RG2...). First of all people may have various reasons to want that, and that we all should respect, and second of all, if they for some reason don't feel comfortable (or whatever) in RG2 and can't join RG1, than they might as well leave for other guilds that can fit their needs. And than you've lost the player anyhow - not only in that RG, but the whole guild.
Why we wanna hurry raiding in BWL...
Because it is Fun :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Threbrilith@Jun 26 2006, 03:40 PM
And also a short last note: it seem to me that there are some folks that have expressed negative oppinions towards RG2 members that might want to advance to RG1 (this is bdw an attitude I don't think will help keeping folks in RG2...). First of all people may have various reasons to want that, and that we all should respect, and second of all, if they for some reason don't feel comfortable (or whatever) in RG2 and can't join RG1, than they might as well leave for other guilds that can fit their needs. And than you've lost the player anyhow - not only in that RG, but the whole guild.
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I had a bit of negative tone in my posts, but that may very well be because its just words and its not my native language. I dont have anything for those who wants to progress further, its also what I want. But I dont want that it becomes standard to leave RG2 for RG1 whenever a spots opens. This means that we lose our most experienced players and stay in vicious circle. This happened to my old guild and I do not want to experience that twice. Molten Core wont stay fun forever...
Only thing I wanna say about this issue, is that you RG2 guys, not should see your raid as an RG2 but as an Part of a Silver Oak Guardians Raid Force, I have the impression some of you guys feel less then RG1, but you guys are all the same, the only different thing is that you guys started later. Just be proud of what you accomplished already, and will in the very near future. :)
Very well written, Dajo - I totally agree :)
QuoteOriginally posted by Dajo@Jun 26 2006, 04:11 PM
Only thing I wanna say about this issue, is that you RG2 guys, not should see your raid as an RG2 but as an Part of a Silver Oak Guardians Raid Force, I have the impression some of you guys feel less then RG1, but you guys are all the same, the only different thing is that you guys started later. Just be proud of what you accomplished already, and will in the very near future. :)
[post=133609]Quoted post[/post]
Of course we're proud. First time we downed Raggy ppl went bananas. :D
And I just have to say: I LOVE your picture. :lmfao:
QuoteOriginally posted by Sebas+Jun 26 2006, 04:05 PM-->QUOTE(Sebas @ Jun 26 2006, 04:05 PM)
But I dont want that it becomes standard to leave RG2 for RG1 whenever a spots opens. This means that we lose our most experienced players and stay in vicious circle. This happened to my old guild and I do not want to experience that twice.
[post=133607]Quoted post[/post]
[/b]I can very much understand that you're "afraid" of loosing valuable members from the raid group - I've had the same feeling many times when SOG has gone through a hard time with folks leaving and all.
My point is just that: if people feel uncomfortable (by any reason, won't start listing alternatives here) in RG2 they won't enjoy staying there for a longer period of time and will probably leave anyhow. Isn't it than better than they at least "leave" to RG1 instead of leaving the guild totally?
And also remember as I said: if a spot opens in RG1, there is a possibility that the one who "opened that spot" wants a spot in RG2 :)
I find MOlten core rather boring, why? because all the tier 1 gear didnt drop when i wanted to !
J/k Mc is kinda easy for "us" now, and it has been for some time. Its great for "testing" your dps / Healing and i've never had so many funny conversations out of mc with you guys. Wondering if addy still has that macro 8)
QuoteI had a bit of negative tone in my posts, but that may very well be because its just words and its not my native language. I dont have anything for those who wants to progress further, its also what I want. But I dont want that it becomes standard to leave RG2 for RG1 whenever a spots opens. This means that we lose our most experienced players and stay in vicious circle. This happened to my old guild and I do not want to experience that twice. Molten Core wont stay fun forever...
/agree.
I dont hope i sound negative when I write, english is not my primary language, so sometimes it might "sound wrong".
well heres my 2cents..
well imo, rg2 is a bit far away from starting bwl.. why? its not that you are not good, but its your gear that lacks, sure some of you have full t1 and some have t2 items, but most of you dont have enough. you still struggle a bit with ragnaros(and sometimes rg1 dps is needed aswell).
bwl is extremely hard, it was for rg1 and it will be same for rg2, the anmount of tactics, teamplay and presicion needed is huge. simple example: if 1 critical person dies while doing razorgore, youve probably got a wipe. rg1 spent months wiping on just razorgore, its one of the hardest bosses in bwl, its a test.. only the worthy will progress. you might say that rg2 has had a really nice mc progress (and it is nice and fast) but.. bwl is a totally different story, rg1 struggled with most of its members fully equipped with t1, epic rings, weapons and all that stuff and so will rg2
long post.. but read it ;)
Agree...
I think it is a bit premature to talk about the "upcoming" BWL-runs in RG2. As late as last night we wiped on Raggy. My bet is that half of RG2 need half their Tier 1-set. We still cant do the entire MC i one night.
I would hardly call MC a walk in the park yet - and i still see plenty of challenges down there. :)
Sure - in time we are gonna spend a lot of our money on reparing after failed BWL attempts - but first things first - lets be able to run through MC in one night - or even just take down Raggy again ;)
Well as it is certain that we all need good gear but we (Rg2) could spare the most time by knowing what to do before a fight start. Round up, buff up, short recap, to your positions and go and for the love of peace, bring your own pots allong, that only saves like 25min. :excl:
:rockon:
D.
Aye, we could learn a bit about, getting ready to boss fights a bit faster, I agree there.
And another thing we need to make rutine. Bring your own pots and stuff.
Healing, Mana, Damage, Crit and so forth - We have enough in the guild able to make some nice pots, so make use of them. (btw this does not include fire pots, tho you wouldnt be flamed if you bring your own)
So lets stack up for a Raggy kill maybe Thursday? :) and btw we did great progress on Raggy last night - 8% on our (rg2) own, even with 3-5 soldier members. Only thing needed is for us to get a hang of Domo fight.
Molten Core challenges left we still need to master;
Sulfuron (after he's been changed)
Major Domo
Ragnaros
QuoteOriginally posted by Sazgul@Jun 27 2006, 08:56 AM
Aye, we could learn a bit about, getting ready to boss fights a bit faster, I agree there.
So lets stack up for a Raggy kill maybe Thursday? :) and btw we did great progress on Raggy last night - 8% on our (rg2) own, even with 3-5 soldier members. Only thing needed is for us to get a hang of Domo fight.
[post=133700]Quoted post[/post]
IMO we did a great job at Raggy yesterday. Went down to 35% at sons. We might wanna work on gathering up the sons and getting them down faster so they do not drain too much mana.
Let's keep up attendance and down Raggy on Thursday!
QuoteOriginally posted by Nefrion@Jun 27 2006, 11:01 AM
IMO we did a great job at Raggy yesterday. Went down to 35% at sons. We might wanna work on gathering up the sons and getting them down faster so they do not drain too much mana.
Let's keep up attendance and down Raggy on Thursday!
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We only had 3 mages, and they all did very well in trying to hold them gathered. With 5 mages as we are supposed to have in every raid, we could easily have done it with not so many deaths during Sons - keep it up all! :)
Hi
Just one question.
The Guild has been most kind in handing out pots for everyone. Is that the way it will be in future too, or do we depend on gathering the required pots ourselves.
As stated from Knabbel we do save a lot of time if everyone have their own pots, but then again we save money if the Guild has the finance for it.
Btw, best time to golamagg so far is 3:19. Lets beat that time thursdag :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Devout@Jun 27 2006, 11:45 AM
Hi
Just one question.
The Guild has been most kind in handing out pots for everyone. Is that the way it will be in future too, or do we depend on gathering the required pots ourselves.
As stated from Knabbel we do save a lot of time if everyone have their own pots, but then again we save money if the Guild has the finance for it.
Btw, best time to golamagg so far is 3:19. Lets beat that time thursdag :D
[post=133722]Quoted post[/post]
The Guild finance the Fire Protection Pots. All other pots you have to finance yourself. I have been kind in handing out pots myself, but last evening I didnt and it went very well.
/agree Mazii, couldnt have said it better myself. :D
Golemagg record time is about to be beaten this thursday! So show up, and kick a§§. :devil:
QuoteOriginally posted by Devout@Jun 27 2006, 10:45 AM
Hi
Just one question.
The Guild has been most kind in handing out pots for everyone. Is that the way it will be in future too, or do we depend on gathering the required pots ourselves.
As stated from Knabbel we do save a lot of time if everyone have their own pots, but then again we save money if the Guild has the finance for it.
Btw, best time to golamagg so far is 3:19. Lets beat that time thursdag :D
[post=133722]Quoted post[/post]
in the end you wont even use pots at raggy :P
Ayep, Rg1 rarely uses pots anymore, i think only the MT use like 4 between them, other then that rogues w/ no fire res kit (base kit gives 110 when near a paladin) are kept up by paladins w/ near infinite mana pools. The more gear you get the eazyer this becomes.
QuoteOriginally posted by Bastet@Jun 29 2006, 08:46 AM
The more gear you get the eazyer this becomes.
[post=134258]Quoted post[/post]
the more gear you get the harder raid becomes you mean
I have long thought about speed gearing. This is already used on a few of my alt servers.
I am not sure if this has been mentioned already in this thread as my tired eyes refuse to focus very well, but anyway,
RG1 will take 1 member of each class of RG2 to MC/OL (easy instances) and allow the RG2 member to get loot, assuming all RG1 don't need the item.
There are lots of issues and problems with this method;
- Slow, making things grind-like
- Will severly split up RG2
- Lead to jealousy if certain items drop etc etc (point vargen --> stormrage ;) )
- Among others
But of course, this is the fastest way (besides giving righteous 15 elixirs) to get gear up. This will take 4-5 weeks depending on items etc but is a sure fire way to get gear fast.
In my opinion it is a waste of time and ruins the essence of raiding, but is a technique used on US and Asian servers.
we have already talked about this in another topic and we r doing it, but RG1 ppl needs to do one more raid and many times happens that a RG1 member hearns no DKP for some random reason from this swap
and the problem is attendeance not gears
Thats kinda solved by making one or 2 rg2 members come with RG1 on a thursday, we still do that right?
QuoteOriginally posted by Neff@Jul 2 2006, 09:30 AM
Thats kinda solved by making one or 2 rg2 members come with RG1 on a thursday, we still do that right?
[post=134902]Quoted post[/post]
People have stopped volunteering for the swap system as they did not liek to commit to the Monday raid as well (RG1's MC/OL is done in 4 hours on Thursday, whereas RG2's means a full Thursday *and* Monday, although this is about to change).
TL.
Aha, thanks for the heads up :)