SoG has been a growing part of the dMw community for about 4 months now and we are gradually seeing an increase in cross-posting and god-forbid some actual SoG players playing alongside other dMw members in games not called WoW! ;) In addition, some of the SoG Admins/Officers are now in the habit of splitting appropriate topics out from the private SoG area into the dMw sections rather than keeping them in the SoG section. I would like to see this cross-fertislisation encouraged and developed.
With this in mind I would like to give the SoG officers access to the Game Admins and Rogue's Gallery sections and the Guild Master additional access to the Section Admin area.
As the WoW game is not hosted by dMw I do not expect that they will have much (if any) involvement in the section posts, but the theory goes that by seeing the section and having the opportunity to post they feel more involved in dMw and therefore become more involved with dMw. That leads ultimately to a better dMw community. They will always be SoG, but it would be nice to have them as active dMw members too! SoG currently has 146 active members including the 15 strong management team, so there is great potential for us to game together here!
Whilst I have already discussed and agreed this in principle with Oldie I thought it wise to post here first to get your feedback given the furore that occured when SoG first arrived and swamped everyone with posting volumes.
I would welcome your comments on this proposal and await your feedback.
TL.
16 views and non comments. I'll therefore assume that it is ok with everyone and make the necessary changes later this weekend if nobody has commented to the contrary.
TL.
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Jul 1 2006, 10:58 AM
16 views and non comments. I'll therefore assume that it is ok with everyone and make the necessary changes later this weekend if nobody has commented to the contrary.
TL.
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Hold fire TL. This is a major issue that needs both careful thought and subsequent debate.
I'll post my views when I've got more time.
My first question/dilemma is to find out just what they would be admining, if dMw can't host Wow and the SoG members aren't really knowledgeable on the other games we play to admin those, that just leaves the forum right?
Just how much admining does the forum take really? Do we get a lot of idiots/spammers/undesireables here? Must admit I don't see many, which either means they don't come here or the current admins are doing a great job. :getmecoat: :whistle:
I don’t understand what dMw would gain. A 15 strong management team seems a large step from a bunch of like-minded friends enjoying playing games together. I kind of like dMw the way it is.
My feeling is that SOG is a separate entity to dMw borrowing some of the facilities we have to offer. For that we get an influx of players passing thru dMw of which some like what they see and stay and they are the people we want. If we took away the forum and the TS how many would be active in dMw. So far I have only seen 1 person from SOG play any other game we have to offer
My 2p spent â€" digging in the back of the sofa for more coppers
Very well put Jas ... took the words outta my mouth .... surely if the boot was on the other foot would the SOG guys want our opinions/ideas on the things they are already running (obviously well by the looks of things....)
I too am under the impression that we dont really need any more chiefs ...the present admin team are doing such a sterling job I dont see the advantage of bringing the SOG guys in ..
is this a time when the new smiley will be used ????
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As someone who's been playing with dMw for years and been through the trials of applying for Bravo and Charlie membership and then recently being given a game admin role ( how did that happen :eyebrow: ), it doesn't seem right that someone can come in from another clan/guild/whatever and be given similar access after only a couple of months. I think that after the initial concern it has been good having SOG on the forums but unless they go through the standard dMw initiation (over to you Benny) then it's just wrong that they should have access to the dMw admin areas IMHO.
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I tend to agree with the Guys above..
I take it we would have access to there admin/officer sections on the forum within SOG?
But what could we offer to those sections ?
Nothing imo
And i think the same goes for them seeing this area.
With what I hear about WoW's addictiveness, there's only ever going to be minor 'incursions' into the other games we support by the Soggies. They're spending their available gaming time being part of a well organised, forty strong raiding group and loving it to bits. My admiration goes to TeaLeaf and the rest of the SoG admin team in achieving this. Some of us know from experience how difficult it can be sometimes to get a team of five people sorted let alone 40 :blink:
I look at SoG and I'm gutted. I'm gutted that it's not a dMw badged section. With a bit of forethought we could have created a dMw guild with the strength of SoG and the ethos of dMw. But we didn't so we've done what we could to keep our WoW playing members as close to home as possible and, although there was some early negativity, it has been successful in attracting newcomers to the dMw forum.
TeaLeaf's proposal is an attempt to strengthen the ties between the people running SoG and dMw.
Quote... the theory goes that by seeing the section and having the opportunity to post they feel more involved in dMw and therefore become more involved with dMw. That leads ultimately to a better dMw community.
This I understand. As I said before, the SoG admin structure has to be robust to cope with the demands of the game. We are all aware of TeaLeaf's immense contribution to dMw and I for one respect his judgement and tend to agree wholeheartedly with his sentiments. If he says the people running SoG are worthy of dMw then I trust his judgement. But I feel that letting the full SoG admin team into this section is a step too far. That could be (mis)interpreted as a takeover.
QuoteThey will always be SoG, but it would be nice to have them as active dMw members too!
There's the problem. They are SoG - not dMw. If we truly want to achieve integration then, in my opinion, we should start negotiations on making SoG the official WoW section of the dMw community. If we can get the Guild Masters to agree in principle then we would be justified in opening this section to the Guild Masters as a sign of good faith.
Is there not a dMw WoW guild already? Comprising proper dMw members.
QuoteOriginally posted by Barney
"I gotta baaad feelin' about this"
dMw what it means to me is like minded people playing games and enjoying each others company.
Thats where the problem lies SOG isnt ..when i was with sog i would say 90% are people i wouldnt like to play with thats why we set up a little guild .
We take the game for what it is..a game and fun .....a laugh!
The sog guild tend to be a lot more hard core so it dosnt really matter who you are to get in aslong as you meet the requirments (equipment etc for raiding)
As i said not all within sog are like that but most are
Its took most of you guys here reading this years to get to this point where you are trusted/liked/respected by others
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Jul 1 2006, 10:58 AM
16 views and non comments. I'll therefore assume that it is ok with everyone and make the necessary changes later this weekend if nobody has commented to the contrary.
TL.
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Very glad my post rustled the bedsheets enough to stir some of you into making a post. Without feedback we're kind of flying solo.
The intention is solely to encourage a better integration. WoW will not last forever and these gamers will go somewhere and play something. I'm hoping they'll do it as and with dMw. The numbers quoted were to give you an idea of the numbers who might become more involved with dMw at various Company levels and it does not have to be all 15 of the management team that get some form of access, their management has tiers of seniority just like ours does and so a filter can be applied.
As for 'what do we gain' I have to say that I think I already answered that.
I also stated that they may not ever feel the need to post as their will be little cross over, but that's the point - I'm trying to encourage a culture and an environment where SoGers start to feel more part of dMw - and that is best started from top down imo. Make their management feel more involved with dMw and the rest will follow- at least that was the theory.
So I guess the questions are:
What are *your* suggestions to help engage the SoG community?
How would you encourage cross-over?
What strategy would you employ?
We've had some criticism, now come up with some ideas please. The stated goal when SoG came in here on day 1 was to get long term crossover into dMw to support the numbers involved in gaming. So how is this best achieved?
I hear the negative and would be interested in hearing the other half of your views too! Or am I currently riding a dead horse and wasting my time?
Oldie, we're meeting next weekend anyway, perhaps more discussion on these and hopefully the following responses can be had at my house when we meet?
TL.
Member of both THEM and US.
I've had several goes at this but they've always ended up triple negative!
I keep running into the idea, that whatever we say, things will turn out whichever way you want.
It may well be that you are wise and farsighted beyond anything we can conceive, but I simply feel that the dMw I love is just being diluted to the point where I won't recognise it.
The same way the Britian is being sucked into a European union against the majorities wishes. "You'll keep voting till you get it right" syndrome. A bit melodramatic it know, maybe I'm a little Englander, so be it. That'll make me a 'little dMwer' as well.
So, no ideas for integration. As for 'cross-over' those that would cross have already done so. The rest will go on they're way to another RPG, and still use the auspices of dMw for their forum.
I've run out of steam but I'll post this before yet another post gets abandoned.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Doorman@Jul 2 2006, 01:58 PM
Is there not a dMw WoW guild already? Comprising proper dMw members.
Sorry, I missed this first time around. The answer is no there is not a dMw WoW guild.
There is ACL, but that's Smite's personal Guild that he set up to stop people hassling him to 'join their Guild' when he was levelling. It happens to be hosted on these dMw forums too and has a total of 7 dMw members in the Guild. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 6 dMw members in the SoG ranks, so in this respect SoG is as much dMw as ACL is.
TL.
I think there is more than one argument going on here,
But back to TL's original point. Can the SOG management be given access to the admin section? This was answered spot on by JB, there is no admin'ing needed for wow.
Now do we want to make the SOG guys welcome! ,and I think the answer from all of us is a big YES. And I am looking forward to meeting lots of them at the next LAN, but I'm not sure giving a few of them access to the admin section is going to make the other 100+ more apart of dMw.
As for a dMw wow guild, I think it is a major shame we don't have one. But Argh Crap Legit (ACL) is as close to the official dMw guild as you can get. I'm talking about the beer drinking, having a laugh, It's only a game side of dMw that has kept us all here for years.
So as soon as any dmw member gets a wow account, you can join us!!!!!!
Quote ..when i was with sog i would say 90% are people i wouldnt like to play with thats why we set up a little guild .
thats my feeling too....... also ..ACL are running at 15 members 10 are from here ..some are in both ...
3 dMw admins joined and left sog which is my main reason for being a bit negative / cautious
There is no dMw guild but we do have 2 wow guilds in dMw ;)
Running a big raid is hard work ..that i understand ... the amount of members has to be large to keep up availability for the raids .. As such you find that the criteria for people joining has to change ... not the type of player but the kit they have or availability.... How many players only do raids for loot ..
What u propose bypassing all the sytems we have in place to promote members thru our ranks is also a bit of a slap in the face
I just dont think dMw is type of guild for wow unless we change to somthing different .. (thats the ethos bit)
I would be more than happy to intergrate some sog members into dMw but let them come because they want to not because they get free stuff..
If the wow section of the forums needs more admining then lets get a few onboard ...but i dont see many problems so somone is doing a grand job already
Thats all from me ..plz dont take any of this to heart in just venting an opinion
QuoteOriginally posted by Armitage@Jul 4 2006, 06:10 PM
Now do we want to make the SOG guys welcome! ,and I think the answer from all of us is a big YES.
...and I think that's the bit where the above comments suggest a different attitude. Or am I misreading something?
TL.
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Jul 4 2006, 09:37 PM
...and I think that's the bit where the above comments suggest a different attitude. Or am I misreading something?
TL.
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no TL...I don't think there's any attitude
I welcome new dMw'ers always
thing is...these SoG's are not dMw'ers by a long chalk
the whole dMw ethos would be eroded by allowing admin access wholesale to SoG admins...who don't after all, play "our" games in "our fashion"
my 2p :eyebrow:
edit: & I can't see how allowing them access would promote other games either