Could we send a ingame mail to people with low attendance with the following text:
Hi dear member of SoG's RG2
There has been a chance in the attendance requirements(you need to meet to 4 out of 6 raids in the future) for members of SoG's RG2 form next raid.
But we have monitor the raids for the last 16 raids and can see you have a very low attendance in this raids.
So we are very interest in to hear what you intention for the future is with RG2.
Will you be able to fulfil attendance requirements in the future or do you not want to raid with RG2 any longer?
Is shall not be a secret at we will demote you to Soldier if you not are able to fulfil attendance requirements from now on.
You can ofc any time apply for a Defender spot when you are ready to fulfil the attendance requirements
This is just my suggestion but I will really like to meet with they others Marshal's on TS to discuss this matter so we have something to bring to the officers and can have sort it out before next raid so people have a chance to do someting about it if they want to stay in RG2.
So dear Marshal's colleague could we meet on TS tonight 19.30 to discuss this?
Please post another time/date if you are prevent to meet.
Things to discuss:
Promotion of CL.
People with low attendance and what we have to do about it.
(New RL)
Not sure you can fit all that in a single IG mail. Try first, mail another marshal.
Minor rewrite of msg to correct some typos and make it sound a bit less hostile:
QuoteDear Raid group 2 member
There has been a change in the attendance requirements for members of SoG's RG2 starting from next raid you need to attend 4 out of 6 raids.
The marshals have been monitoring the attendance over the last 2 months (or 16 raids) and we have seen that your attendance has been very low in this period.
So we are very interested in knowing if you will be able to make the attendance requirements from now on. If you feel you are unable to make the requirements or if you dont want to raid any longer, then please let us know also.
As a reminder, long therm failure to make your attendance might result in a demotion to the rank of soldier. You will then be unable to raid untill a spot opens up once again.
Regards,
The Marshals
Yea you "rewrite" sound alot better :D
I will try to send it from GD to one of my alt's to see it fit in a ingame mail.
Not sure that i should comment on this, but im gonna do it anyways 8)
One thing i noticed is that you seem to be looking for just 1 person to replace deadlyspirit. Its ok that you have 1 primary raid leader but others should be able to lead it as well. When we are lacking TL (yes it happens sometimes) in RG1, there are others who can take over, maybe not as good, but we get there. Now, i might've missed the point, but if i did.... i stand corrected.
The text to send out looks fine. One thing you need to think about is that when RG2 was started, it was under the pretence that it was for people who couldnt/wouldnt raid as much. This is not a criticism, just so might know that certain people might see the higher requirement as a step down for them as they might not be able to make it.
Make no mistake, i know how important it is to have a steady raid group from week to week, so i think that you are doing the right thing.
Hmm - way to long, can't fit in a ingame mail.
Stoppes after:
If you feel you are unable to make the requirements or if you dont
missing:
want to raid any longer, then please let us know also.
As a reminder, long therm failure to make your attendance might result in a demotion to the rank of soldier. You will then be unable to raid untill a spot opens up once again.
Regards,
The Marshals
Bastet have you another text?
We have 2 person who can replace Deadly if he is prevent(Siffredi and Sazgul) so I think it is a main leader we are seeking for.
try this, i dont think you can condense it any further.
Mail title: Dear Raid group 2 member
Body: Due to a recent change in rules, defenders now need to attend 4/6 raids (starting monday). You failed to make this mark over the last 16 raids. And we want to know if you will be able to make the attendance.
If you cant/dont want to, please let us know also.
Note, long therm low attendances might result in a demote to soldier.
Regards,
The Marshals
Okay that fit in a ingame mail :thumb:
/agree
I will be on for a meet on TS or VT for tonight. I will really hope every marshal can be here tonight.
I have some points we have to discus too.
Why not send them in game mail telling them to read their forum mail? Then you can say what needs to be said properly. If you try to condense the message to much you loose the message. For example your above quoted message can be condensed to mobile phone text size thus:
QuoteAttend 4/6 or kicked. Be there. Love from Marshalls.
Now I'm not quite sure that's what you want to say.
TL.
Edit of bastet's edit:
QuoteDear Raid group 2 member
The marshals have been monitoring the attendance over the last 2 months (or 16 raids) and we have seen that attendance has been very low in this period. As a result we need to change the RG2 attendance requirement starting from next raid. From the next raid we are asking RG2 members to attend 4 out of 6 raids.
Your attendance over the last 16 raids has been low and so we are very interested in knowing if you will be able to make the attendance requirements from now on. If you feel you will have a problem meeting these requirements then please speak to us.
We are trying to help RG2 progress and develop as a successful raid group. We can only do this with a better level of attendance than we currently experience. If someone cannot commit sufficiently to RG2 then we will need to consider their rank and possibly demote to the rank of soldier to make way for another member who can commit the time to take their place. We hope to avoid this but do not see any alternative course of action.
We look forward to hearing from you how you believe you will fit into RG2 under the new attendance requirement.
Regards,
The Marshals
Do I get you post right, TL, you suggestion is you send the people a ingame mail where is says we have sent a PM to them and they must go to the homepage and read a text like the one you or Bastet suggest?
yep. and the text would be his text :P
I think it's a great idea. :D
yeah, and still hold it in a nice way in the ingame mail.
You can ingame mail them to EITHER come look at a particular forum post, OR, copy the text above and send it to them on the forums as a PM.
I have now sent a ingame mail and a PM to following people:
Gallahan
Arkhon
Priori
Gilzuur
Odesa
Nefrion
Saori
Noevra
Mirianna
Elenionet
Orthbarty
Sheperdbook
Yliana
Answer from Saori:
QuoteI will be able to commit that attendance, if you check the attendance for the last 16 raids, it might be low, but the attendance for the last month was 5/6, and i will keep on! Now i dont have so much trouble to raid since i have more spare time for myself since i stopped datting with 2 chicks! LoL! (it isnt a joke, is quite the reality)
Sao
Answer from Gallahan:
Quotehmm, I don't think this will be a problem.
Answer from Arkhon:
QuoteI should have given a heads up about my low attendance, sorry.
But besides the fact that I probably cannot attend raids as much as I used to have,
let alone spend more time, I have decided that World of Warcraft is over for me.
I have a whole batch of positive and negative reasons for this, but I will not bother you with that.
It would be best if you put me on soldier for as long as I decide to still keep my account, or kick me out...
I do not know how SOG handles members that are in-active for long periods.
I will make a more elaborate post about putting WoW on ice at the SOG forums.
Again my apoligies for not mentioning my lack of attendance beforehand
Arkhon
Answer from Nefrion:
QuoteLool, thanks for the email. As I am being considered a possible CL my attendance will be 4/6+ from now on.
The thing that caused my attendance to fail for the last month or two is, as you already know, because my computer has crashed and I couldnt solve the problem.
Br
/J
I did have conversation with Elenionet this Saturday afternoon and she did accept a demote because she was not able to comply with the attendance requirement at the moment but was ready again after the 18. august.
She was sad to lose her defender spot and if it was possible she would like to keep it, but if not there was no hard feeling and she will apply for a defender spot when she is back.
She was interest in to know when she will be demote(if we do that) so she could be online and I told her to contact TL or Bastet about that.
i was indeed contacted, and i told her it would be done as soon as the marshals came up with the final list of promotes and demotes.
Expect list after RG2 raid monday.
The final demote / promotes.
Arkhon & Elenionet demoted as requested, hoping for rest of them soon
From Mirianna
QuoteI may get internet on the 20th this month.. damned ISP "lost" my transfer papers...
so we'll see..
Did find this in the vacation section maybe that's why we not have hear anything from her/him.
I did have small conversation with Odesa today and she told at is ready to comply with the attendance requirement but she will have a small problem sometimes because she work in the evenings sometimes.
Got this ingame today from Prior:
QuoteI will be able to ready to comply with the attendance requirement in the future.
The Marhals had a chat on our Ventrilo server this night, and we agreed on who to Promote/Invite and who to Demote!
Expect a post by Greatdanes later tonight or tomorrow.
The reply from Mirianne is here now:
Quoteahm.. I would like to turn your attention to the vacation thread.. that clearly states that I haven't had internet the last 1 1/2 month and where I have recently updated that I will get net on the 20th..
but for now.. we're having a LAN so I'll be there for the next raids.. unless ofcourse my dear wife decides to give birth:smile:
but as for the attendance.. I don't like it.. I will try to keep it up.. but since I'm about to have a baby.. I can't actually guarantee attendance.. since my child will have some priority..
so there in comes the question of why we suddenly have an attendance.. the whole reason for the defender rank was that it was for those of us who could not meet the attendance rec for RG1..
and as soon as the forum works correctly for me I'm gonna post a thread about this.. :tongue:
mirianna
Well I think we should draw his attention to the numerous posts on forum regarding RG2/Defender issues, and I really think he should read up on forums when he gets online, and the he could post.
You just cant expect that when you leave for 1½ month and come back the situation will be the same. People dont come to a stand still just because you werent around.
But as we have already decided, he shall have his chance for fullfilling the attendance req.
But him posting about why we changed req. for RG2 wont help, it is decided.
Nothing has really change we still raid 2 times a week, now we just require people to be there... Thats not too much to ask.