Hey m8's let us make a list of items we as hunters find very usefull to us.
I have atm this 2 items:
Dragonbreath Hand Cannon http://www.thottbot.com/?i=46198 (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=46198)
Brutality Blade http://www.thottbot.com/?i=37423 (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=37423)
plz post more.
How often do you melee GD? The former I can see, the latter, much more difficult until any appropriate melee class has it.
TL.
Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%. = 54 agi :) something we can use.
And all range weapon is in my opinion usefull for hunters if they are better end the one you have.
.....TL watches GD's dagger throwing with interest.
"something we can use" somehow does not qualify as "need". I would not say no you can;t have it, but there are clases who will get more immediate benefit wouldn't you think?
TL.
ie:
Rogue, Warrior (Fury)
Agi is something we need as hunters, I belief everyone know that.:eyebrow:
But I can already see peoples(not hunters) thought about this thread; stop whine you got you epix bow and staff, yea but until we get that we will love to have some weapons.
But it's seems to be like this: all weapon with agi on is rouge weapon - all range weapon are pull'er weapon for rouge and warriors.
So what can we have??? stone and a catapult??
This thread was mean't to be a place for hunters to make a suggestion on what weapons we could use with benafit for the raid!!!
Well for myself i won't go for the epic bow cause of the +5 gun we dwarfs have so the best weapon for me atm is the Dragonbreath Hand Cannon.
So i will defo /w for it if it drops and if i don't get it ill hope i get it next time it drops :narnar:
I think that basically what TL was getting at is that the Sword is not a specific hunter drop it should really go to the Rogue first then Warrior and then a Hunter.
The Gun however is allll yours :biggrin:.
Hunter, Warrior then Rogue.
I have Hunter, Warrior and Rogue all at 60 and know that Hunters use agil but in my oppinion the rogue requires Agil more.
I understand that this post was originally only for Hunters and as such Yes they are very good weapons for a hunter. :whistle:
Quote from: GreatdanesImproves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%. = 54 agi :) something we can use.
And all range weapon is in my opinion usefull for hunters if they are better end the one you have.
54 agi may give u 1% crit but 1% crit does not give u 54 agi. i believe the mainhand warblade is better for a hunter than a BB.
Well, the Brut.blade is much more than just the +1% crit. You'd benefit WAAY more with the warblades. And 1% crit isnt 54 agi, and you get more from agi, dodge f.ex
well, imho certain ranged weapons should have a hunter priority label on them.. this is the best ranged weapon a dwarf hunter can get before the ones in aq40 so lets be a bit reasonable.. they do use ranged weapons 99.999% of the time, and no other class in the game does that..
and regarding rogues...they can get strikers mark from mc..
/signed Gorion
And the brutality blade discussion is so fun! I agree that its not prio 1 for hunters but u cant close ur eyes when it comes to the stats on it! It helps us! 24 Agi with ench (48 AP) and the 1%crit!
Silithid Claw
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21673 (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21673)
Ring of the Qiraji Fury
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21677 (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21677)
Barbed Choker
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21664 (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21664)
Barb of the Sand Reaver
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21635 (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21635)
Doom's Edge
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19362 (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19362)
Crul'shorukh, Edge of Chaos
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19363 (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19363)
These are a few of those i wont be ashamed of to whisper for! Then u can always discuss who needs it more or less!
But this is clearly a Hunter Sword:norty:
The Twin Blades of Azzinoth
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=18582 (http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=18582)
Best regards Rata:flirty:
P.S And keep it spamming on this thread i like the discussion.
but are hunters not prioritised on
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19363 (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19363) ?
a ranged class /w for the most powerful melee 1hander upto aq40 sounds a lil nuts to me.
we dont have fury warriors in RG1, and its thus most likely to go to a hunter.
Yea its a powerful onehander, but my defence for wanting it, is that i can get 66 Ap from it and combine it with Dooms edge or the Scythe u get well over 100 AP from that combination! Iam not updatet on warriors most wanted list but i could imagine that there are weapons with better stats on them for warriors! And I wont cry if it goes to a furyWarrior, just that it seems that there arent many hunter prio meele weapons out there, and this is one i think could suite me quite good:norty:
Best regards Rata:flirty:
Quote from: ratatoskThe Twin Blades of Azzinoth
http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=18582 (http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=18582)
Best regards Rata:flirty:
Fantastic Sword. :biggrin:
And that does look like a hunter weapon.
Quote from: Bastetwe dont have fury warriors in RG1, and its thus most likely to go to a hunter.
are you sure? ... i thought dajo went fury...
Gorion must say Dajo already Snatched it! :whistle:
First of jsince ranged attacks can't be glancing blows the +5skill is alot less useful with ranged weapons then melee. those +5skill only equal 0.2crit and hit.
This makes the handgun for dwarfs equal to
86-160 2.8speed(2.43 with 15% quiver)
0.46%crit 0.49%crit
0.2%hit
28AP 32AP
1%dodge 1.1%dodge
70health
compared to
89-166 2.9speed(2.52 with 15% quiver)
17AP
1%crit
now if we add the AP directly to the weapons damage it will make it
91-166 for gun or 92-167 with 15%agi talent
92-171 for bow
now even though the DPS is a little better on the gun the damage range is still better on the bow and since they are so close in speed the best cycle for shooting will be the same
Multi, Aimed, Auto, Auto, Auto, Aimed, Auto, Multi
So that makes the question what is better 0.46crit, 0.2hit and 70health or the 1%crit and the small increase in damage(not looking at the dodge since you shouldn't need it in a raid) and if that is an upgrade is it worth the DKP when you know you could get a ranged weapon that is the best in the game before Kel'Thuzad(http://www.thottbot.com/?i=44450 (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=44450)) and it even has better drop chance.
Now i think that hunters should have priority on all ranged weapons but in my opinion no hunter should want the dragonbreath gun over rhok'delar
About the 1handers, i think rogues should have priority on swords and fury warriors on the axes/swords for the same reason i think hunters should have priority on ranged weapons. The stats on the weapons are only about 10% of the weapon and it is a real waste to see a weapon go to someone that uses 10% of it while someone could be using 100% of the item. But luckily for hunters there aren't many sword rogues and even fewer fury warriors in the guild.
edit: forgot to factor in the 15% agi talent, so added stats with and without that talent
I must check this out because on my dps it seems that i do more dmg with the gun!<_< I would atleast say that the gun and the bow are head 2 head!
The other aspect is that I as a Dwarf greatly dislike Stick and string:narnar: But like u say the Xbows are mighty nice and i wouldnt mind getting one of those! But i cant really agree on the meleeweapons because hunters gets loads of AP from certain weapons and in raids hunters are outstanding in dealing highdmg over period because of the range and the magical ability of Feign so More AP for hunters! :whistle:
Best regards Rata:flirty:
Lol, Drazila, you didn't need to nuke them out of the water :tongue:
YEp we are nuked and we are nerfed!! hunters should be glad if we can get anything at all besides the Hunter Epiq Quest things! :tongue:
After reading a discussion in this thread http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=7875 (http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=7875)
people seem to be agreeing that +%hit gained from +skill is 0.24 for ranged not 0.04 like has been believed, if this is correct then the extra 1%hit will clearly tip the dragonbreath handcannon in favor for dwarf hunters compared to rhok'delar even though it isn't a very big upgrade.
So much calculation, how about you just stick a dwarf a gun in his hand and a bow after 15 min, and check the differance in dmg done :narnar:
Quote from: BastetSo much calculation, how about you just stick a dwarf a gun in his hand and a bow after 15 min, and check the differance in dmg done :narnar:
That won't work Bastet, since then some uncontrollable factors will come into the equation. Like luck (crits and the damage every shot does, since both are influenced by randomness). But also things like lag can have an effect on the results. And more importantly humans make mistakes; for example, if you time your shots wrong it will mess everything up.
You don't have these uncertainties when you're just crunching numbers :happy: . It's easier anyway, it'll take you less time then the two times 15 mins you're proposing :narnar: .
Quote from: SandrionYou don't have these uncertainties when you're just crunching numbers :happy: . It's easier anyway, it'll take you less time then the two times 15 mins you're proposing :narnar: .
And your so quick to asume i dont totaly suck at math, 30 min might be terribly quick compared to me doing maths :narnar:
Hmm - this make me sad, last night Brutality Blade drop and a warrior want it but will only use it for backup.
Is that for the benafit for the raid?
I tend to agree, which is why im for the "dkp is dkp" rule
You spent the time, you get the dime... and nobody should decide who gets what... if a Paladin wants the Ashkandi sword - they should think about the raid consequences - but otherwise if they are top dkp, go ahead
Im all for removing the loot class-based rule
Quote from: Greatdanes;143845Hmm - this make me sad, last night Brutality Blade drop and a warrior want it but will only use it for backup.
Is that for the benafit for the raid?
no, not really beneficial at all unless hes planning to go fury in the future.
Class priorities are not such a bad thing. I don't think the rouges would like it if all the feral druids ninjaed their loot for example, since that probably won't benefit the raid directly (at least currently that's not the case).
I'd suggest to make them build / raid function specific. For brutality blade: 1. rouges + fury warriors 2. hunters 3. arms / prot warriors, pallies and everyone else that can use it. Dual wielding melee classes will definately receive the most benefit from this blade, but the stats are also great for hunters (it's one of the best hunter weapons imo).
But I have to admit that it might be to much 'paper work' for the officiers. So for now, just be nice for each other. If you're only going to use a certain items as backup, wait for the last call or at least let the ML know that you want 'second shot' at the item when you whisper.
For example: Do I want a dark iron ring; hell yeah. Can a tank put it to better use; probably. So he should get it first.
common sense seams to be in short supply these days though. i myselfs never take items i expect to replace shortly.
/signed Bastet
And would like to add that I have had a study in the art of Gun versus Bow!:smile:
And my scientific conclusion is that Dmgwise over time the Gun is the winner by 2 inches or so! But in short term the Bow outclass the gun!!
Therefore (sadly)i must say that for hunters the Bow are a better equip for most of the time especially for PvP! In raids the gun is better due to not that high crits that the slower Bow will produce.
When it comes to the Xbow of smiting it will even outclass the Blessed Musket from AQ! because of the slow rate of fire! I have come to the same conclusion when it comes to melee weapons for hunter a slow polearm and raptorstrike are real good in PvP! u will easily crit 1K!
This has Made me as a dwarf Sad as i dont like to use stick and string but i will subdue to that the bows/xbows are better for hunter as it is today:whistle:
P.S But a Xbow is alomst a gun:norty: