recently a problem is developing..ime just playing and all of a sudden my monitor switches off and everything freezes, ive asked some ppl and it seems its a gfx heating problem.
ive got a xaser3 with a watercooling system, only attached to the cpu. radiator and reserviour are on the inside of the case, then i have an other reserviour on the outside.
my gfx- x800xt all in wonder.
i was thinking about some fan/heat spreader.. or maybe some watercool upgrade so it cools the gfx too, tho atm my "browsing" temp is around 43 (with the room ac+fans on) so the watercool might have some problems cooling that too. (currently using distilled water)
any ideas?
bdw, space in the case is very limited. and so are power connectors, its not a sata
I'd guess that if you've already got water, a GPU block would be most cost and heat effective. No extra power to run but you'd have to be careful about hose routes.
Zalman are good aircoolers. but they can be a little awkward to fit on some cards, like mine.:angry:
ive got an aquarius2 from thermaltake atm
bdw, it happened again, and i was playing D2.. could it really be a heat problem... cos D2 doesnt have that much polygons to process...?
Yeah get a GPU block m8, and it will just connect onto your current system.
TBH I think it is a power problem. When the card does not get enough amps the screen goes black and the system is sort out dead when you can't get it back on :) How many total amps does your PSU put out?
Run a voltage monitor program and check your 3.3v and 5v (use fx. SpeedFan). If they look fine, then spin up your DVD-drive, start a game, and put some cycles on the CPU and see if it drops. If it is around 4.7 on the 5V and 3.2 on your 3.3 you are in trouble. Check how much it fluctuates when you pressure it and when you don't.
when ime just browsing, +3.3V - 3.20V +5V - 4.81V speedfan
same identical reading with aida32
psu - 420V
seems that with just browsing ime in trouble already?
can you try look what they are when you are gaming ?
3.3V - 3.17V
5V - 4.78V
on D2 will post further info during bwl tonight, since its working hard during that
What are tthe specs of the rest of the PC?
Quote from: Gorion3.3V - 3.17V
5V - 4.78V
on D2 will post further info during bwl tonight, since its working hard during that
The ATX official tolerance for these are 4.75 and 3.14. This means that hardware you plug in your mobo should be able to function as long as they receive within these levels. However, that is no guarantee; hardware can fail when close to the limit. The less amps, the more the voltage will fluctuate under pressure.
If it has worked fine before, and only fails under pressure like tough games, this might be the summer heat. The hotter the PSU is, lesser the output, due to exceeding best operating temperature for the components.
If you are getting trouble with the PSU, then try and take off the sides of your case and put up a big desk fan to cool the PSU. Give a some time to cool down and try again. If this helps, you know where the problem is :) Also, try and unplug all hardware that you can. Hard drives, DVD-drives etc. share the 5V rail with the graphics card, I think.
Quote from: BarleyWhat are tthe specs of the rest of the PC?
CPU Type AMD Athlon XP-A, 2100 MHz (6.25 x 336) 2800+
Motherboard Name Gigabyte GA-7VT600(-L) (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 3 DIMM, Audio)
Motherboard Chipset VIA VT8377 Apollo KT600
System Memory 3072 MB (DDR SDRAM)
Video Adapter ALL-IN-WONDER X800 Series (256 MB)
Audio Adapter Creative SB X-Fi Elite Pro
Disk Drive Maxtor 4D040H2 (40 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Disk Drive ST3160021A (160 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-105 (16x/40x DVD-ROM)
Optical Drive TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552U
regarding heat, its going up everyday, this happens with the ac on too.
will try further tests, will need an upgrade soon neways
Gorion,
I think that this is power issue more than a heat issue, when i saw ur rig it was well spaces and u got a lot of cooling in there.
If u want to check if its a heat issue on the cheep, take the side pannel off the computer and put a household fan blowing at the grafix card. if it still happens then u have a power issue
Maybe this could guide you:
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp
What are your +12v under pressure?
ok peeps, this is a shameless bump with a big update
this week ive changed:
psu- Hiper power 580w
vga- new cooler + copper heatsinks on the cips (front and backside) (artic silver3 used as thermal conductor on the main cooler, the heatsinks came with thermal tape thingys)
northbridge- added a fan to its heatsink
latest upgrade was done yesterday.. and its was perfect..
now today it the goddamed blackscreen(monitor looks exectly like when you shutdown your system, led is red(sound crashes, while the pc is still switched on)) popped back :ranting2:
i seriousely dont know what in the nine hells is wrong, (ive been having impulses of grabbing the bloody tower and throwing it at the floor:help: )
are you overclocking your cpu? perhaps you could try running at stock speeds and see if it still crashes.
ive got nothing overclocked
re volateges under load
3.3v- 3.33v
+5v - 4.95v
mobo temp- 29
cpu- 40 deg celcius, under load
I recently had a problem with some programs in the startup folder causign my system to auto-shut down after a few minutes. IT might be worth gradually stopping all the programs in the startup menu to see if stopping any one of them running made any difference. For me ended up being my first ever Folding@Home related error. When I let F@H run at startup the system auto down shut after a few minutes. When I disabled F@H the system ran fine. Throughout this the temperatures running ont he system were well within tolerance, so I reckon some other piece of hardware is being stressed by F@H on my ageing system (hence it is being replaced).
I would also follow the above comments about unplugging the bits if peripherals that are not needed right now. This will help rule in or out anything causing a power-related problem.
Finally the general issue does sound like something graphics related. If yo have an older card you could swap in it is worth trying to see if the same thing happens. Otherwise take the side off the case and blow a big fan at the gfx card, then see fi the problem is the same. Check the fan on the gfx card is actually spinning - a remarkable number do not!
TL.
well, i dont have anything in my startup folder
fan on the vga works (the heatsinks also get quite hot, so i rekon theyre attached correctly)
ive been using an older gfx card for months now, and the problem only occured once (but i had a very dodgy psu that day)
the wierdest thingy about it, its intermittent...
so far ive spent like 3 days playing nvn2 with it and it only happened around 2-3 times, while in wow it only lasts untill a few min after logon, and sometimes it works for a whole day perfectly..
also formatted and re installed wow, same prob remained, it also happened whilst i was playing diablo2
If you still got the X800AIW in there, what drivers are you using.? I had some occasional vaguely similar issues with Catalysts (6.7/8)before I updated to 6.11. Things have been OK since.
I'm running a Type-R (blue:rolleyes:) with an X850 XT Pro, running as an 850 PE. So not hugely different from yourself. I also make use of ATITrayTools, very handy for making sure things are OK. http://forums.guru3d.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33
updated drivers to newest, same problem
this thing is driving me crazy
Hmm my motherboard has a nice lil thing that tells you what is happening to the PC status (4 LEDs that can be Green or Red and the combination and meaning of thoes LEDs are written in the MoBo manual). Some time ago I had the same problem for a few times in a row and it ended up to be a RAM failure (Love LEDs :D) maybe it can be that also in your case?
Well.. i dont think you are having a GFX overheating issue as ATI cards tend to give a nice pop up telling it reset your graphics accelerator when it gets to hot...
But not sure they dropped that on X800 and onwards tho?
i dunno, but on a 9800se i dont have any probs
is there some kind of software that checks if the card is fooked? cos its like 9 months ive bought it... (ye, out of warranty :/ )
Give ATI Tray tools a spin from my earlier post. Has good temp stuff and includes a stress test. I also use to to overclock my card and alter my AA/AF depending on what game I'm playing on the fly.
Ye try the ATI TRAY TOOLS and see hows it works..
Or try and get ATITOOLS and run the artifact scanner, best Artifact scanner ive found so far..
(ATItool works with nVIDIA cards too, awsome for overclocking)