Tonight in AQ20 we had the one of the best pants ingame drop from Ossirian... The leggings of the black blizzard...
I rolled for the pants and rolled second... Ravenn highest.. Due we have a rule stating that Mains gets pri on Ossi/Hakkar loot(changes with new system) i won... But then i got 3-4 people wisping me stuff like WTF i was doing rolling on those pants when i got T2, why is i was so tarded and so on...
I got ****ed and sad and passed them to spi who was next in line..
Why the feck am i not allowed to get better pants.. Trust me when i say those pants would actually give me a higher dps than NW...
NW actually isnt that good.. But why should i defend my right to get lewt...
Isnt it as much my right to improve my gear?
Edit: I had the option to make a ticket and get a GM to move the pants to me, but after talking with Spi i decided not to, cause it wouldnt be fair to spi..
Speaking partialy for myself here and partialy as my position as 1 of the 20 man raid leaders.
IF i see this happening again i will ban ppl for doing this. Nicely asking why you want those pants and the roller explaining it is diffirent then wtf are you rolling for those you have (insert litem here). This makes me mad to some point you do not want to know.
Raiding is for fun and not for these kinda things. Discussing loot is a good thing, but this was not discussing, IMO this was saying you dont need i need more GIB. I am still pretty angry while i am writing it and tbh i wanted to use some stronger language here. I choose not to do so but if i see it again, start running!!!!!!!.
Lunares
hmm i wonder if it was the same person who whispered me some nice things when i got that gun last week...
Ppl sometimes seam to forget that the commanders are ppl too, and good ppl too, giving a lot of time and energy into leading 20 man instances, and for that they deserve the same respect as the field marshals. This game is about playing with friends, getting some nice items along the way and just having a good time, NOT about trying to scare as many ppl out of the guild as you can :blink: If you have a problem with loot distribution, feel free to make a post on the forums to discuss it after the run (like greatdanes did with the gun), till then dont make a fuss, and remember that the items might be rare, but they will drop again.
PS, Flaming other members, officer, commander, or just normal members will happen at severe risk to your ability to reproduce normaly. If any1 has any problems, please contact me, preferably with screens. You have been warned :norty:
Quote from: lunaresRaiding is for fun and not for these kinda things.
Lunares
I hear ya, but it was kinda sad that Kreg didn't stand for those pants, might not drop in another decade.
If rules apply for every then I'm also like everyone so there will not be any further discusion about loot, but I've seen guilds where there are a private club and those dudes get the first sets always, this guild is not one of those kind.
I have had nice time with you guys and really like things to be the way there are. can't understand why some people don't respect the rules.
You guys ( Commanders and officers ) are doing a great job maintaning this, keep up the good work :)
I'd just like to say that. T2 sucks so bad I DE'd them and use my FR leggings instead. Those leggings are the best leggings you can get before AQ40 so he defienently had the right to roll on that.
Also, gratz on the leggings m8 :smile:
so u and spi both had NW leggings but he didnt get flamed for having em but u did? pretty ****ed up **** there
Spi is an lock how can he have netherwind? :P
Quote from: MannySpi is an lock how can he have netherwind? :P
Locks are like Chuck norris, we wear what we want.
That sucks Kreg, thoose leggings are AWESOME.
I believe others have allready made the point clear. I will leave it at pointing out that I do not want to see this happen again. If loot really is so important to you that you would flame another member for wanting it, then you may leave.
On another note I belive the new system soon implemented by the Commanders will not open for discussion on loot at all. So let's hope it will be done soon. I know the Commanders have put in a lot of work on this and especially Menedil has taken a few late nights to make the raids more enjoyable for you.
This time, I was top roller, followed by Kreg and Spi. It would have been a major upgrade for all of us. I was on my alt, so without the new system in place I had no chance of getting it. But even with the new system Kreg would have beaten me fair and square. However Spi would not have. It is dissapointing at most, and really shouldn't matter. We are one guild and we are all friends right?
I will get them eventually anyways. Keep in mind, even though I may play my alt there, I'm still there doing a part of the raid spending my time there. Seeing the new system I applaud that even those playing alts get recognition for time and effort spent. Even if I need to work twice the amount to get the same rewards, there is still a reward at the end of it.
Quote from: KregoronI got ****ed and sad and passed them to spi who was next in line..
stupid ? rules are running for ages now
Upon reading this thread I thought to my self if some person have problems with me getting specific loot and they start flaming me I will ask them to stop in RAID channel....... If they don't I'll make sure I post some screenies with chat log in it.....
It's up to the officers then to decide what to do with it.
MY two copper.
D.
I think Kreg should send the screenies to the officers anyhow (if he hasn't already done so), so they know who it is - and they can take action if they feel like it. Cause this kind of behavior makes me sick, and it's not something we want in SOG :angry:
Damn... i wished i was in the raid... so i could have flamed about rolling low again... and again....
Back to the topic!
The new loot system is close to perfect, its simply brilliant.
About the flamming, i dont see how flamming would help anyone other than the officers to be better to decide if youre about to leave the guild with maybe a little help.
A note or the like. appointing the problem you got would only be fair, seeing as T2 "should" be better than 20 man loot, because of the avability. but in some cases Blizz fails to comply
Quote from: LuthorA note or the like. appointing the problem you got would only be fair, seeing as T2 "should" be better than 20 man loot, because of the avability. but in some cases Blizz fails to comply
Agreed here. A lot of ppl seem to think tier 2 is the best set atm excluding tier 3 ofc. HOWEVER this is not the case. The drops in ZG/AQ20 are sometimes on par or even better, those pants beeing an example. For a healing example look at jindo's evil eye.
Now this matter has been handled by kreg. But if we see the same happening again those will be screenshotted and posted.
BE WARNED!!!
Lunares
Quote from: ThrebrilithI think Kreg should send the screenies to the officers anyhow (if he hasn't already done so), so they know who it is - and they can take action if they feel like it. Cause this kind of behavior makes me sick, and it's not something we want in SOG :angry:
I Decided in my fury to sort this out myself, and infidels felt my wrath pretty hard...!
But OT we had a similar incident occuring tonight in ZG, i dont know how bad the wisps where... i know who some of them was.. But mark my words.. If this continue to happen i will take harder actions... i WILL not have people doing stuff anywhere related to this.. which loot a person wants is up to the roller.. if it seems completely off try using raid chat, and the raidleaders can decide for another winner if the highest roller is completely off on what he rolls for..
But again stop doing S*** like this, i will hit hard down upon those who does actions like this!
Id saddens me that guildys make such a fus on loot. Especialy when everything went okee lootwise. Also it amazes me that the ppl bitching are mostly the ppl that didnt actualy roll.
OT, I was quite TANGOed myself during last nites run (missed out on Bloodlords Defender), but i had a good chat w/ Luna (for which id like to thank him :flirty:, also for letting me do something else for a bit). Still a bit TANGOed at my roll (rolled 1 vs Valdeko's 2).
At least i think the Bloodlord's defender was given to one of the 2 right persons. And besides the flaming, which i heard nothing of (:D DC'ed for 5 mins, the 5 mins it happened), i think ZG was good last night.
the only "priority" is common sense (after AP is taken into consideration) in the new system.
Great shame I realise.
Being a Brit, I have to agree with the speed camera approach (don't you just love them!), with nice fines ;)
Now to replicate British driving laws:
1. Each time you are found speeding (ie flaming) you get points on your license, these build upto a ban!
2. Also for rather more amusing falmes we could start a thread in the forums hehe (just like bicycles getting snapped by speed cameras usually get into local tabloids here in the UK for a laugh).
3. Also there is a payment (fine) that has to be made here in the UK for breaking the speed limit (I think it's £60), so maybe a fine paid from the flamer to the poor recipient should be made bwahahahaahahah!
Anyways I think it could atleast scare ppl a little if nothing else ;)
Kind of reminded me of the occasion I went to Strat with some guys about a year ago, my first visit in fact, and Myrmidon's Signet dropped and I won the roll (as I always do, Siffredi will confirm), at that very moment some idiot (me) managed to pull a group of mobs and we all got wiped. :blush2: Suffice to say by the time we got back it was gone! That ring cost me 300g in the AH later lol.
Anyways that's my 5 cents for the day!
Shep
"The Evil Traffic Engineer - Road Humps Are Good!"
Shep not to sound hard towards you, but if i hear anything like this occuring again... i am gonna hit hard on people even tho it is their first "offence". if people got anything to say about loot do it in /ra... cause it just isnt acceptable behavior.. if people want a item then they roll for it.. then its up to the raidleaders and ML to see if the common sense functions properly..
:whistle:
indeed, say it in raid chat or mention something to the people in charge. Flaming someone who is rolling for an item is rude, intimidating, and not the kind of thing that should happen here. The WORST thing you should say is:
/ra omg, I wanted that, Grats m8 :D
otherwise sod off out of the guild you don't deserve to be here
P.S. tier 2 sucks 4$$