I would like to have 1 thing clear.
I know luthor is at the pages now. Atm me TL and kreg have worked on the pages a bit longer and i would like to know if he gets the same priority then we do on rolling for the pages. (tl and me have 6 kreg has 7). there are 8 pages.
Lunares
Would be fine with me if you could make the deal with him since you have been ahead all along. That is a good enough reason for me. But through dialogue you can come a long way. Im not gonna help you make a decision where i have a part in making you preferred over other people in the quest chain since i still dont think its a guild priority. Its a personal priority and therefore you should work it out among yourselves
That would also have fixed the problem this evening here today
....and it would have been had a certain person not jumped the gun.
TL.
He said he didnt know, and i tend to believe him.... i have no reason to not believe it
Quote from: Padding;144334He said he didnt know, and i tend to believe him.... i have no reason to not believe it
That's 'did not know' as in the lengthy discussion he had in guild chat earlier about the thotbot and wiki pages detailing the quest.
That's 'did not know' as in him correcting Kregoron in gchat about things in the quest line.
That's 'did not know' as in him going mad at Luna for looting an item from Ragnaros when he did not even have the quest.
Hmmmm.
TL.
Not to be a total ass here, but i still fail to see why you should get the items before anyone else that can actually loot the items from the same boss
Quote from: Padding;144336Not to be a total ass here, but i still fail to see why you should get the items before anyone else that can actually loot the items from the same boss
No, you're absolutely right. We should gradually get all 300 members through the quest and get them one bit each to avoid making a decision. That way we can all sit squarely on the fence post and enjoy the ride. Meanwhile the first complete quest line will be 2009.
TL.
QuoteNo, you're absolutely right. We should gradually get all 300 members through the quest and get them one bit each to avoid making a decision. That way we can all sit squarely on the fence post and enjoy the ride. Meanwhile the first complete quest line will be 2009.
Sometimes your such an ass, and if you cant explain to me why you need the drops first, im gonna keep my opinion and you can sort out for yourselves who gets what first
Padding, that's one of the problems, you have not got an opinion on this, you want to let it all ride.
We explained on TS.
We use the system in ZG.
Now don't make me any madder than I already am by giving me BS.
Tl.
You make the decision, you take the wrap
Just make sure it doesnt look like its an officers made decision since i want nothing to do with it
I give up. There is no point.
TL.
Entering the fiering range / dodge left
The loot rules for ZG madnes are there so that it wil not take ages (stil takes ages) to get the revard .This makes it doabol to get the revard if you are lucky enugh to be there when it dropes and no one else who has started the collecting needs that dropp (this I understand).
Why do we use these rules in RG1 40 man raids ?(don't remeber when this was agreed uopon). When you got all the pages and crystals you get what?
I am sure there is some nice brood rep in it but enighten me.
The questlines in this is hard to follow (atleast for me) spaning over rep requierments and splitting out
Now shout some more or post a link to the questine exsplanation site . Make a bigarse post making it clear that the threads merge and we would benefit by mucleing one person trough it , rather then treating them like induvidual quests that give induvidual revards and rep.
He probably knew what he was dooing , but remember that you got the head that started this by a ML mistake (not failing to recognice the effort you put into the questline).
Make me se the sence ,you usually dont exsplode.
Edit took loong making post(2 between) :
Padding se kindergarden reply to one of mine post made by you.
TL and Padding you have been spamming this thread , let some time pass so we get a chase to think.
And if you are going to have a 2 man discussion do it on TS record and post it in a link in the tread.
I've said all i want in this thread
Quote from: Ragnarh;144346He probably knew what he was dooing , but remember that you got the head that started this by a ML mistake (not failing to recognice the effort you put into the questline).
I would to understand this part. You talking about the head of the broodlord?
Cause that is a waste of time rep wise. We all got most of our rep from the opening event. AQ20 and AQ40. Not from grinding the turnin able scales.
Lunares
The head still allows you to get the start of this quest line.
Now i am curious, how many pages/chapters does one aquire in a raid (BWL/MC/AQ) and how many can be obtained outside of the 40 man raids?
Also the red scepter quest bit sounds eazy enough to get to the start, is that related to the book quest directly?
Just want to have these awnsers before i give a final awnser
Edit, or a link to the info site would also be appreciated.
1 page a raid except the 1 in undercity and BWL.
There are 4 pages obtainable without a raid but with a few ppl.
1 is weavil(not 40 man raid but need 20+ ppls for it) 1 is ragnaros, 1 is onyxia and 1 in BWL. 1 is in SW 1 in undercity 1 from the demons in WS and 1 from the demons in BL.
The red part stands loose from the pages.
The start is indeed easy to get.
Lunares
this will require a bit more thinking from my side but id say you need so many book parts before the scepter parts are open to you, since the best rewards are at the end, if not for me, but for other classes. Personably i dont think id bother w/ the entire line.
Edit:
Reading up on the questline, you can get 4 of the pages 5 man or less, ppl that are serious about spending time in the quest chain take about 4 days to get these, and it could serve as a nice base level from where ppl would be allowed to roll for the red shard line.
http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=8286
Somone made a simple post tah I can follow,amasing what you find when you can't sleep.
more info:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Scepter_of_the_Shifting_Sands
All this fighting and rivalery isn't really important. I can understand some of your frustrations after spending so much time and effort on this questline, but the way things happend last night is not the way to go. I am tempted to ask if the reactions would have been as strong if it were anyone other then Luthor involved. Because to me it seemed like it wasn't so much what happend, but who did it. This is not of any consiquence to the guild or the raidgroup. This is all for induviduals. Please don't let it interfere with the raid again. Deal with it as loot or whatever, just don't stop 37 ppl in their tracks because of it.
What IS important here is that if you want the oportunity to prioritize anyone for any reason, I will require you to put down a solid requirement BEFORE the raid next time. If there is no public statement before that, it is considered FFA.
I would agree Vargen with most of your above comments, especially as I was the one who tried to get the officers to make a decision on how to treat this loot before we went into the Vaelestrasz room. Unfortunately on that night there was not time before the raid, and also unfortunately someone called for us to charge into the Vael room before we had finished our discussion, thus giving opportunity for the 'mistake' to happen.
You are right about the way I reacted though (but I am not sure my reaction would have been different to anyone else as I suspect it was heightened due to the extreme time, effort and gold put into this core Lore quest line prior to the event) and as I said in /o on the night I apologised to Luthor before he had re-entered the instance. He did not bother to reply to me though.
TL.