It's is now 1½ month(13 raids) since we did make a attendance requirement.
So fare only 4 people have 100% attendance :norty:
But what do we do with people there have less then 50% 40% or where is the limit?
The requirement was 4/6 which make the % to about 66 and if we follow that, the list look like this:
0-25%
Mirianna
Werdanna
Sebas
Asmoden
Juling (new)
Tott (new)
Soari
26-50%
Tlor
Outcastius
Aloha
Noevra
Ringspun
Collinn
51-66%
Dhepo
Gallahan
Odesa
Tothan
Luminance
Shadowscream
What shall we do guys? Something like RG1 did or what?
I definetely think we should demote Werdana with that attendance. Has only attended 13% over the last two months.
Let me just make clear that my attendance over the last two months are 81%. Think why I pop up on the list was due to my computer problem some months ago.
We dont actually have an attendance problem in RG2 atm so lets not make such a big deal out of it. I think we should mail the ones with attendance from 0-33 maybe 50% and ask them to state why they havent attended as required in RG2.
We need to keep in mind the holidays and exams!
what we did yields some intresting awnsers, and also as you review attendance now, start gathering the data anew from now on, i added 2 more events on the rg1 attendance site called ... perioud 2.
I was surprise to see you name under 66% but that's was what the site come up with.
Sorry have made a big mistake in this thread.
The attendance is base on all register raid, will try to fix it ASAP
The calculation should be right now :blush2: (thx Bastet).
Many of the players placed in 0-25% and 26-50% all did suffer from being on vacation. I know Sebas has been on vacation for almost 2 months and he wrote that :)
I will stop posting in here now :P
Id send pms out and ask them about thier attendance anyhow. if it confirms they been on vacation then swell, but it also serves as a wakeup call.
WFT I did hear someone saying he do not think we have a attendance problem atm
ROFL :roflmao:
We could not even get a full raid for BWL or MC tonight..... no that's definite nothing to do with a attendance problem.
And going to ZG and bring in a person who was not sign up to BWL is ****, that ****ed a lot of people and I can only agree with them.
I did vote yes for ZG but not enough did leave the raid and I did so the raid could get down on people but finding out in the end a guy not join the BWL raid getting a spot, is ****ing me of.
I don't give a damn it was for the balance of the raid, it should have being called totally and then started a invite for a new 20man raid.
I did not give up my spot so you could bring in a person who diden't show up for BWL!!!
Ffs GD cool down - you dont want to go to ZG with 8 hunters and 1 warrior do you???? you need raid balance - and the person your speaking of is Toff and yes he didnt show up at invite time but showed up when we decided to give up BWL - however he asked for RG2 invite before he knew we were canceling BWL, so dont bring that crap. I cant see what ur so mad about??? Ppl might have problems with this new patch? try check the support forums and you will se its flooded with problems.
I think you should stop being so childish and offended and start acting like an adult? You were very hostile at your tone towards us other marshals on TS, and you when you say you dont care about raid balance i just dont know what to think about that. You need sertain classes for sertain fights. That goes for ZG/MC/BWL, and that you feel offended that we cannot fit in 6 hunters into ZG, that i have no respect for.
I think you might want to consider facts and think things over before judging us and rest of RG2.
Quote from: Siffredi;145664Ffs GD cool down - you dont want to go to ZG with 8 hunters and 1 warrior do you???? you need raid balance - and the person your speaking of is Toff and yes he didnt show up at invite time but showed up when we decided to give up BWL - however he asked for RG2 invite before he knew we were canceling BWL, so dont bring that crap. I cant see what ur so mad about??? Ppl might have problems with this new patch? try check the support forums and you will se its flooded with problems.
That's why the (BWL) raid should have been called and then start a new round of invites for a ZG run. Here you did ask people who has show up on BWL to leave because there was a person who diden't but you need him in ZG.
I don't think that was fair to the people who did care to show up for BWL.
(why was he not invited to the raid before it was moved to ZG?)
Quote from: Siffredi;145664I think you should stop being so childish and offended and start acting like an adult?
Thank you - I will when you start thinking!!!
Again i must state that this i really cant see ur point in all of this, you are saying that a defender that just logged on, and who asks for RG2 invite should not be allowed into ZG run, because he was not online when we started the BWL invites????
What is fair??? Those that wanted to go to ZG did go to ZG??? And you would rather just cancel everything and leave all unhappy? I think that your unhappy about not going to ZG urself, because you dropped out, and Toff took ur place...? I would gladly have 4 warlocks and 5-6 hunters in raid but not for 20 man instance? You dropped out, and that was ur choice, just like many others dropped out by thier own choice. If you dont want to leave the raid, perhaps you should stay until we finalised the raid next time? We didnt ask ppl to leave - not like i said well you,you and you leave now because i say so???
What difference would i have made if we did the ZG invites over??? Only invite those that came first? I think those that left by own choice would feel better than onces who were forced out because of they got the invite last???
As I did say before, I did drop out so you could start the raid because there was to many in the raid. I did not drop out so there could be room for a guy who did not show up for BWL and it was first after almost everyone who was needed to drop out it was advertise at Toff was going to be a part of the raid. Did I know that before I drop out I mÃght not have done that because I do think that was wrong.
If you have made a new invite round you could have use the LIFO rule.
But anyway this thread was about attendance and I must ask you all,
Why did we introduce a attendance requirement in RG2 for about 1½ month?
Because we did have some people with very low attendance, right?
Okay, what do we have now, high attendance of all people or what?
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Many of the players placed in 0-25% and 26-50% all did suffer from being on vacation. I know Sebas has been on vacation for almost 2 months and he wrote that
Okay - people are on vacation and stuff like this, but why shall we suffer for this?
Vacation for 2 months... we could have played a replacement up in that position by now, but no, we wait for this guy instead.
I think we bring us self in a position, where we will see more of this we did tonight because we will not realize we have to make some "none happy" decision from time to time, because we do like all the people in the raidgroup and that's why it will be unpleasant thing for us.
So therefore I think a good thing to do, is like RG1 have done, send the guys below 50% a PM about they attendance and see why they are not here on raid days and are they willing to change that in the future.
And if they are willing to do something about it, giving them a chance to do so but keep a eye on them.
Just to comment on last nights (raid). Sad to see that we couldnt even gather the right people to do a full ZG run. But this thing will happen.
RG2 hasnt got an attendance problem!! The raidgroup is set up in that way that we should always have 40 people online for RG2. We have a requirement that says 66% attendance in RG2. Sometimes we are too many and some times we are too few because you simply cannot predict how many will be online. Last night we just got unlucky that many has decided to stay away at once.
Actually if everyone in RG2 didnt show up last night we still wouldnt have an attendance problem!! We will only have an attendance problem if people start attending less than 66%.
And seriously Greatdanes, you are not very constructive in your way of adressing the other marshalls. You are accusing us for kicking people out of the raid. We did not kick a single one. People left! If we would have cancelled the raid and start a new one it would have given the same outcome. It would still allow RG2 members that were not online at the time we invited to BWL to join ZG. Then Toff would have joined anyway and some hunters had to leave.
And as you posted yourself, sometimes you have to make some unpopular decissions and yesterday was a great example on this. The only one I heard getting mad was you! And as Marshall I can live with that!
Marshalls:
Welcome to out World!
Being a Marshall is not always easy. Attendance is one of the biggest problems, you all need to learn to deal with it and work towards getting better attendance from the raid group. Every raid group, every set of leaders has to deal with this problem - the trick is to deal with it and move forward and not get stuck in the mud.
Constructive discussion is the key, things rarely get sorted out (and usually get worse) where someone loses it.
TL.
Quote from: Nefrion;145700RG2 hasnt got an attendance problem!!
Well I don't think this is correct, I do think we have a attendance problem.
In the list there is a guy who as 0% attendance(and yea yea he did have a deal with us but have now being able to join the last 4 raids but hasn't).
We have just made a rule we don't want to follow, so why make rules?
In which case may I insist that you *ALL* divert your abundant energy towards the 4 applications for Defender rank, some of which have been awaiting a decision for over a week in a class where you have an agreed need.
Accept or Decline please, that will go some way towards solving any perceived or real attendance problem.
Please submit your decisions on the outstanding applications no later than 21:00 server tiem tonight so that we may invite any successfull applicatns and decline the rest.
Thread closed.
TL.