The below is current applicants for RG2. Marshalls write accept / not acceptet, not more not less.
Grinch (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15400) - Decline. Hunters full. Dosent seem like a nice guy.
Jallanski (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15474) - Decline. Warriors full. No good reviews.
Paladinangel (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15436) - Decline. Apparantly been in SoG RG2 for 5 days. Guildjumper.
Montgomery (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15480) - Accept RG2, our Priest is pretty much improving.... their bad attendence! - So we need another priest. And I got the feeling he would love to join RG2 with Mazii. And face it Smilei had GREAT attendence that we lack now.
So thats 1 accept 3 decline.
Reply before 20.00 ST - Or I will PM this for TL.
Agreed Sazgul.
The three top ones are too bad geared.
And yeah we need priests in RG2. We are currently looking to demote probably 2 priests because of lacking attendance so we really NEED him!
Montgomery has allready been accepted into RG1 last nite.
And i would adivice against demoting ppl till you send out a attendance PM as RG1 did.
Im getting sick and tired of this ****
Nefrion, are you going to throw us a bone here and give usa clue? Or shoudl we ignore your post? Sazgul got the list of available applicants wrong - the one he missed was Talas (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15399). As has been stated Montgomery joined RG1 last night and picked up his first upgrade epic from Chromaggus.
The priest situation has been discussed extensively over /o and on TS recently and you know the situation RG1 has with regard to lack of dwarf priests - when one with 7/8 Prophecy arrives then yes RG1 have to consider him when he has applied to both RG1 and RG2. He repeated in discussion no preference as to which raid group he was in, so raiding with friends was not a factor.
When Mazii advised us yesterday that he had been offered a place with another raid group then we had to make a move quickly.
So what have you given up on? If you have a problem please state it, otherwise please don't post pointless comments.
TL.
Yes I know your situation and respect it but I just dont think that you respect ours. You see what you need and take it regardless the consequences for RG2.
Think I got the Luminance issue to back this up quite well! Instead of waiting some time and see what applications pops up you dig in RG2 and pick a rogue. Just this morning there was postet an application by Bastet from a 8/8 NS rogue applying for a Guardian spot. Well done guys.
I start to share other Marshall's desperation!
this is my opinion :
Grinch= decline
Jallanski=decline
Paladinangel=decline
Talas= decline ( it is wrote on relpys he is an alter)
Nefrion, cool it a sec. We do see it, the situation re Luminance had been discussed and we received clearance from you folks to accept the transfer.
The above has zero to do with when another application comes in. We act on need, not on ESP and have no knowledge of the future and the applications we are about to receive until they actually arrive with us!
You're clearly annoyed by events, but I suggest you cool off and speak on TS tonight maybe, but jumping up and down here is clearly not doing you any good and it's not the way we do things around here.
TL.
I was not consulted regarding the Lumi issue. Who else than the CL for RG2 rogues could say if we have rogues to spare?
I suggest you ask your fellow Marshalls and then we can get back to a normal discussion.
Either way, if Lumi could only make 50% of your raids then you lose out on attendance. He could make 100% of ours.
TL
Well some of you guys consulted the wrong Marshall then. Would be the same thing as whispering you TL that we were forming a ZG run yesterday. You could probably accept it but luna would still get ****ed because he didnt know!
Quote from: Ubar;145790this is my opinion :
Grinch= decline
Jallanski=decline
Paladinangel=decline
Talas= decline ( it is wrote on relpys he is an alter)
This is for TL, we wont wanna wait untill tonight 21.00 hours to PM you this. This is the solution on this weeks applications.
Marshalls I would suggest one of us always taking care of applicants. For example. Copy paste em here, get replies, then report back to Bastet via PM with descision (sp).
I would love to voulenteer for this. But keep in mind I will act fast and swift to secure RG2 new members asap.
This is what have been missed earlier i guess, one that takes this further. We have all done this more or less, but it needs more focus.
And btw the only thing i've heard of Lumi exit was something like this on /o yesterday when MArshalls was struggling with RG2 raid. "So as earlier statet we promote Lumi now, and will post explaination on forums" - My reply was "*sigh* - Ok" - What else could I reply to this.
Im not sure i've even seen a post in Marshalls about this?
That may be the case, but that's an internal matter for RG2 to deal with in term of the communications you give to FMs. It's not quite the same as your ZG example as if you asked me I would have nothing to do with a 20 man run.
Either way, the facts remain:
Lumi could not make your raids
Lumi could make our raids
We need a rogue
We were told Lumi was ok to transfer to us by a Marshall
Forcing Lumi to stay would not have helped and would only have made the situation worse on the day when he could attend your raids.
Clearly what we need to ensure next time is that the person or method of communication satisfies RG2 - so please let us know how you intend this to happen in future.
TL.
Quote from: Sazgul;145800Marshalls I would suggest one of us always taking care of applicants. For example. Copy paste em here, get replies, then report back to Bastet via PM with descision (sp).
I would love to voulenteer for this. But keep in mind I will act fast and swift to secure RG2 new members asap.
This is what have been missed earlier i guess, one that takes this further. We have all done this more or less, but it needs more focus.
Hmm - I have try it 3 times to get this in focus now and last time Siffredi come in anticipate(don't know if this is the right word for it but in danish: kom mig i forkøbet, so if anyone have right word, please set it in) of me, so someone have tried to do this but maybe not was giving enough priority.
Quoteanticipate(don't know if this is the right word for it but in danish: kom mig i forkøbet
Right word would probably be Preceded. Siffredi preceded you and did it before you
He beat you to it :)
Quote from: Nefrion;145797Well some of you guys consulted the wrong Marshall then. Would be the same thing as whispering you TL that we were forming a ZG run yesterday. You could probably accept it but luna would still get ****ed because he didnt know!
Just to finish this subject - Marshals was asked on TS about this after BWL run monday, and me, Sazgul, Oneangel and perhaps GD discussed this and we concluded that either we demote him or let him join RG1. He would not be able to attend 66%+ because of new working term for the next long time = we cannot use him. In this case we would normally just demote him, but it seemed like he could attend RG1 raids (Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday), so us Marshals concluded that he should apply for RG1.
Really we dont have a choice on Lumi other than Demote or let RG1 have him so???
EDIT: Wrong quote - but my point should be clear on Luminance...
I can see how we are all getting worked up, but we need to stop fighting like this we do not competing against RG1, we have gotten huge experience from them and it seems you guys are forgetting this. We have made huge progress over the time RG2 has been going and we will continue to.
So ok they are taking a rogue of ours who would otherwise be demoted to Soldier. And yes they have taken a Dwarf Priest who would hugely benefit RG2. But they are more players out there and that slot will be replaced so cool down and respect their decissions.
So lets get recruiting and fill our spots. So more of the Support, less of shouting at each other as this gets us know were.
OA DA
Paladin angel chased me for an answer today. I sadi today sometime - one of you please whisper and advise him.
Thanks.
TL.