Dead Men Walking

Old Server Admin Section => Archived Topics => Head and Section Admins => Topic started by: OldBloke on August 25, 2006, 05:53:24 PM

Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: OldBloke on August 25, 2006, 05:53:24 PM
I've had a couple of PMs lately from dMw oldtimers bemoaning the lack of dMw kinship as in the good old days. After some thought I think they have a point. I can also see where the feeling eminates from ...

When we restructured to Head/Section Admins we asked our newly appointed section leaders to appoint their game admins from the active members within their section. This they did and the new forum permissions were applied. What I failed to appreciate at the time was that by dropping our longtime members (though less active) from the 'inner circle' we lost their input and they lost a sense of belonging.

What I'd like to propose is a separate forum area where just the selected few can talk privately about life, the universe and dMw.

My initial thoughts are that we should include these people ...

OldBloke, TeaLeaf, Blueball, Gandalf, Doorman, Sadako, Smite, Fatbob, JAS, Squ0nk, Sheepy, Sn00ks, Frenzy, Stryker, Doggers, Benny and Albert.

Thoughts?
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2006, 06:14:28 PM
A good idea but how do we decide who is "in"?

Is it by invitation only or people who joined before a certain date or just the guys we enjoy playing CS with <- this is the bit that gets my vote BTW.

An interesting URL:

http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/memberlist.php?joindatebefore=2002-7-30&order=DESC&sort=posts&pp=30 (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/memberlist.php?joindatebefore=2002-6-30&order=DESC&sort=posts&pp=30)

If we go back 1 more month I disappear :(
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: OldBloke on August 25, 2006, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: BlueBall;145895A good idea but how do we decide who is "in"?

Invitation only (forgot Smite - added)
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2006, 07:10:35 PM
I'd like to suggest that we do not mention this outside in the main forum. I have had a few comments over the last year around "is this just the old boys network then" so this may just reinforce a false impression.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: OldBloke on August 25, 2006, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: BlueBall;145919I'd like to suggest that we do not mention this outside in the main forum. I have had a few comments over the last year around "is this just the old boys network then" so this may just reinforce a false impression.

Indeed. It will be made clear to the eventual participants what the rules are.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Gandalf on August 25, 2006, 09:46:17 PM
Excellent. Do we all get to wear our smoking jackets and get the key to the cognac cupboard? :biggrin:

Seriously though, it's a cool idea. A place where we can all hang out and spin yarns about the good old days. I'm all for it. After all, it's just another forum area.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 26, 2006, 09:47:34 AM
Damn it, where's my 'wot he said' and 'I'm with stupid' smilies when you need them!

I got not probs with a section like this, time will tell if it gets used, but as G said it's just another forum, so we could build this into the forum no problem whatsoever.  

On the mean time I've been playing with the old forum content and messing with words and pictures to see if I understand how everything slots together.  I'm going to tryt o start working my way throug the website this weekend to change what I can in preparation for whatever we come up with as the panacea :tongue:

TL.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2006, 09:48:34 AM
Quote from: TeaLeaf;145975On the mean time I've been playing with the old forum content and messing with words and pictures to see if I understand how everything slots together.  I'm going to tryt o start working my way throug the website this weekend to change what I can in preparation for whatever we come up with as the panacea :tongue:

TL.
I should have a couple of hours free this weekend - anything you want me to look at?
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 26, 2006, 10:12:10 AM
Pick a page, any page, send me the updated text and I'll add it.  Also if you come across any new pictures you want included then send them to me too please - tealeaf@ our domain will get them there.  I have basically just been playing with the main cmps index page so far to check my understanding of it, but I'll be trying to branch out this weekend.

One other thing we need to do is add the WoW announcement to the forums soon.  I'll tryt o draft somethign for that too.

TL.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: OldBloke on August 28, 2006, 04:47:28 PM
G

Can you create a new forum area called "Old Boys Network" :whistle:

This should only be visible and accessible to the names in the post above.

I'd have a go myself but I do not want to screw this up as it could have some people asking awkward questions.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Gandalf on August 29, 2006, 08:21:55 AM
No probs, I'll look at this later today. Remind me if I forget.

The easiest way to do this is to create a new usergroup, add the members above as secondary members then create the new forum and only allow that usergroup to access that forum.

There is a nice new feature now that you can use to create a forum based on another forum, so if you use one of the admin forums as a template then it shouldn't become visible to the end users as you create it. (new forums are generally created with base level permissions)
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 29, 2006, 09:05:15 AM
If it's not done by the time I get back home (lunchtime expected) I'll add it myself, I'm pretty happy that I won't screw it up....... :blush:

TL.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Gandalf on August 29, 2006, 10:35:19 AM
Cool, I'll let you do it then as it's good practice :biggrin:

As said create a new usergroup with all the names above attached as secondary members. Then create the new forum and only allow that usergroup access.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 29, 2006, 03:54:57 PM
All done.

SecretSquirrel?
FBG?
Radman?

Just some names from the LAN I section, so are of the right era....

TL.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Gandalf on August 29, 2006, 04:06:37 PM
cool, but you can still see it if you're not a member of that group. ie, logged out. Is this intentional?
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Gandalf on August 29, 2006, 04:08:59 PM
A quick look at the permissions and that forum is open to anyone. Want me to fix it or are you still in the process of doing so?

ok, fixed. I just denied all temporarily then added in the correct user groups.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2006, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: Gandalf;146629A quick look at the permissions and that forum is open to anyone. Want me to fix it or are you still in the process of doing so?

ok, fixed. I just denied all temporarily then added in the correct user groups.

Cheers G
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 29, 2006, 05:00:37 PM
Squonk just reported that he can see the whole forums - that right?

And when I was in there I only allowed viewing by Administrators & Old Boys Network memebrs - where did I miss temporary?

TL.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Gandalf on August 29, 2006, 05:02:00 PM
I've just fixed that. I had to go through and deny access to everything. It's all ok now. I'm guessing you turned the forums off?
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 29, 2006, 05:20:42 PM
Yeah I turned the forums off when I knew it had gone wrong - which was about 10 mins ago - then on again when I had spoken to you.

TL.
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2006, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: TeaLeaf;146625All done.

SecretSquirrel?
FBG?
Radman?

Just some names from the LAN I section, so are of the right era....

TL.
Armitage?
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: Gandalf on August 29, 2006, 05:28:10 PM
ok, a quick tutorial for adding usergroups and forums safely.

Firstly create a usergroup based off of the base level of access. Generally Registered Users (in our case it is Alpha Company). To do this you click;
Usergroups | Add New Usergroup.
On the page that loads up, at the top there is a nice little option called Create Usergroup Based off of Usergroup: in the list select the base level group. So in our case Alpha Company.

What this does is pre-select all of the options in the form ready for you to check and adjust. Normally you just change the name and fill in a description. Now, before you hit Save or press return, scroll down to the bottom of the page.

Here you will find the most useful tool of all; Default Forum Permissions:
Create Permissions Based off of Usergroup:
Here you will generally select the group that you've used above, so again in this example Alpha Company.
What this does is create that usergroup with basic permissions so that anyone you add can't see things they are not meant too!

To check this, go into Forums & Moderators and click Forum Permissions. You will see that the usergroup that you have just created will only show up the permissions from the usergroup it is based on.

Now, creating a new forum, go into Forums & Moderators and click Add New Forum. Then you will see that you have the same option at the top, Create Forum Based off of Forum: This is a good idea as it saves you having to check the options and will pre-fill the fields for you.

Now you enter a Title and Description. The Display Order is where you want it to appear in the forum heirachy(sp) and Parent Forum is the category it should appear under. Parent Forum is a really cool thing as permissions for this forum will be inherited from the parent by default. So if the usergroup above cannot see the Parent Forum then they will not be able to see this new Child Forum that you are creating. (You can manually override this if you want to in the Forum Permissions page)

Click Save and your new forum is created. Again, it is always a good idea to check the Forum Permissions to make sure it is how you want it to be. The key for the colors on the page are as follows;

    * Color Key
    * Standard: Using default usergroup permissions
    * Customised: Using custom permissions for this usergroup
    * Inherited: Using custom permissions inherited from a parent forum

There we go, safe usergroup and forum creation. Bear in mind though, that the more usergroups there are then the more admin arse it is to keep the permissions in check!
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: OldBloke on August 29, 2006, 06:16:24 PM
Now you know why I was worried about doing it.:tongue:
Title: Oldtimers Club
Post by: OldBloke on August 29, 2006, 06:31:13 PM
Quote from: TeaLeaf;146625All done.

SecretSquirrel?
FBG?
Radman?

Just some names from the LAN I section, so are of the right era....

TL.

I didn't include them initially because of lack (absense) of activity.