Shep sent me a PM. Here it is in its entirety along with my response.
TL.
Quote from: SheperdbookHeya TL,
I was wondering what the status might be concerning an extra raiding night for RG2?
It would be neat certainly if we could have another night after downing a boss in BWL to have extra stabs at the next boss.
I don't know what the long term vision is for RG2 but I'd personally hope that it could offer a serious alternative to RG1 in the Burning Crusade. Especially given the official situation where RG2 members are not allowed to apply to RG1.
Also as a sideline I'm feeling increasingly alienated in guild as I really seem to be able to do very little to help out with anything guild related. I'm not thinking of quitting, well yet atleast - I'd just like to be able to contribute more.
Kind regards,
Shep
Quote from: TeaLeafQuote from: SheperdbookI don't know what the long term vision is for RG2 but I'd personally hope that it could offer a serious alternative to RG1 in the Burning Crusade. Especially given the official situation where RG2 members are not allowed to apply to RG1.
That's our plan too, the Marshalls are planning and discussing all the time to work towards this end, raid schedule/frequency being one of the things they review regularly.
Quote from: SheperdbookAlso as a sideline I'm feeling increasingly alienated in guild as I really seem to be able to do very little to help out with anything guild related. I'm not thinking of quitting, well yet atleast - I'd just like to be able to contribute more.
I have to admit this bit got me confused - what exactly were you thinking of? Anything specific in mind?
Talk to me on TS tonight......
TL.
Opti? Dont you mean Sheperdbook?
Sigh, yes I do. It was a busy day. :blush:
TL.
Btw, this was the player your loot distribution alienated last night. You might have to start looking for a new RG2 member.
TL.
tbh i dont think shep will leave/stop raiding over this, as he made a lenghty discussion post on the forum. But i quess he would like to know for sure it wont happen again i suppose.
Why the hostility towards RG2 all of a sudden, TL?
We dont chase you down because you dont use priority on loot and people get p!ssed.
Chase me if you want, I'm happy to have the debate. I'll even stand still so you can catch me.
I'm angry because this was avoidable - and it was something I warned was a problem. You even posted a long discussion about it and seemed to reach a view that set priority was no longer the way forward - and then you acted on set priority again.
So it's not hostility towards RG2 - it's frustration at a problem that could and should have been avoided if you KISS - use DKP.
TL.
Yesterday I got the impression that the new set of rules was not distributed to RG2 so the old loot rules were still active.
Regarding shep he did know the rules. We have used priority all the time. Its just when he gets stepped over his toes that he starts crying. AFAIK no one has complained over the priority rule. I actually got the impression that people thought it was quite fair.
The thread said do not distribute to RG2, just keep in with Marshalls. If Marshalls are not clear on what is going on from your own written records, then what chance do the members have?
TL.
We should annouce that there are no more 7/8 priority - otherwise next time some other dude will scream about it...
Could you please stop being so condescending?! This issue is solved so back off!
There is a problem w/ going public on this kind of thing, and that is that ppl hold you to it. And that you are unable to change them, hence its private for marshals, just as fieldmarshals dont post there loot system outside the private parts of the forum.
Hmm I havent heard anything about this issue, but lets communicate the new rules to RG2 asap then, I belive the thread about this is finished, with the last corrections soonish, and its very KiSS
His reply. anyone any ideas?
TL.
Quote from: SheperdbookHeya TL,
Sorry about not getting back to you on TS last night, but it would probably not have been the best time for me to speak as I was still swallowing a fairly large bullet lol.
I was just wondering if there are anyways I can help out with the admin side in guild as to be honest I'm feeling a little useless at the moment in the guild. Doesn't have to be anything conferring any power, just some stuff I can help out with. To be honest I really have very little idea about what options might be available.
Let me know anyhows!
Shep
Well as im stepping down as marshall this could be his opportunity
We do need some more Marshals atm and this was maybe a great opportunity to find a new one.
I agree.... let him in as a Marshal on trial basis and see what he can do 8)
As the 20 person raids currently need some help I have posted this to Luna too, to see if there might be any work there that be distributed.
TL.
Shep seems like a nice bloke, and if he wants to do more for the guild, RG2 needs another Marshall. He's more than welcome, this will also show him that we appriciate and respect him as a guild member. :happy:
yeah agree, Let mmake Shep a Commander or a Marshal. we need both atm right?
IMO ,seeing that Nefrion is going to leave the CL task, we can take him as CL/Marshal of paladins in rg2.( making a trial):happy:
Luna is going to talk to him about helping out with the 20 man raids as Luna is taking a 4 week break from it. As Shep said, he's not looking for power so this may suit him better (not sure). It would not involve getting Commander rank, just helping out, and maybe this is what he seeks. I guess we'll find out when Luna talk's to him.
TL.
You still need to give Shep both options. Marshall vs. Commander. Colead RG2 or 20 man.
Quote from: Sazgul;149093You still need to give Shep both options. Marshall vs. Commander. Colead RG2 or 20 man.
I think you may have missed the bit of info at the beginning of the thread where it said he was not looking for power or status, just to feel he contributes more. And tbh it's not necessary to offer him both options. Nobody here thought you needed him before his PM, so why jump in and offer Marshall?
If you look at the 20s Luna is on a 20 person break for the next month (but still doing full FM duties), Menedil (Gilmarion) will be able to help only 1-2 nights per week max atm and Kregoron has some work issues which are restricting what he can do - hence I ended up leading the last 2 ZGs as nobody else was there. The 20s need his offer of help, but the Commanders are nto thinking of him as a Commander either, they just accept his offer of help.
TL.
What about Daedalus in the 20s?
It's okay if Shep can help our out in the 20s, but we do need another Marshall now where Nefrion have stop, that's why we said we could use him.
If I can be to any help in the 20s this day I have sign up, please say so, I will gladly help.
Daedalus is still being trained up for this role and is a Commander. Luna, Kreg and Gil do not envisage another Commander at this time, merely another pair of helping hands. GD I'm sure they'd appreciate the offer and I will post as such in their forum.
TL.
Well if you put it that way TL, then ok. :happy: