Just incase you hadnt heard yet, there will be a 20 man raid on tuesdays for RG2 and soldiers.
Signups for this weeks Tuesday run are open, so head over to the site and sign up ;)
Yea great Menedil.:clap:
Sign up people, please.
Sheepy - that means YOU!
TL.
already signed up for both mondays and tuesdays runs,
really looking forward to seeing how my new spec holds up in bigger partys
Agh. Finally a tuesday run, and I can't join. Going on a business dinner.
wow, that's a really nice idea :) ofc I can't go but yay :)
its probably worth mentioning that with this tuesday raid, there is a possibility you may be saved from the monday raid, or that the tuesday raid will make you saved in the instance for the wednesday raid depending on location scheduling. if the 20 man reset is on monday nights, then that will not be a problem, but thats only once every 3 weeks or so.
i'll do my best to work it out so that people dont get locked in for other instances, it might mean juggling the raid destinations a bit.
I most say, I am really impressed over the guys who join last night AQ20. This was the first time we was doing this without any RG1 members but only with defenders, soldiers and alt and we manages to take down 4 out of 6 boss's. Great job guys.:clap:
Big cheers to Menedil to have to guts to lead us down there, I do hope you will do this again sometime.:norty:
:withstupid:
Thanks again Menedil :)
it was a pleasure :)
im certain that if we had a little bit better balance of the group, i.e... one druid ;) that we would have been able to do ossirian. maybe next week!
/mene
crap runs on tuesdays dont see me joining agan. tangas
Quote from: noevra;151180crap runs on tuesdays dont see me joining agan. EDIT tangas
Well I'm sure with your positively-challenged attitude they'll be glad not to see you too Noevra. I know the Commanders who put the effort into running the 20s can do well without that kind of childish behaviour as can the other people in the raid all trying to do their best and learn.
On a more personal note, what is the purpose of posting a statement where you publically curse your fellow Guild members? By all means criticise something, but for goodness sake do it in a way where you become part of the solution not the problem.
....and there is no reason to swear! If you can't think of civil english words for your post then maybe you should wait until you are in a better state of mind?
TL.
just dont like beeing ninjaed<_<
not even if you call it difrent.
(you cant use it yet, your lvl 59 so i take it. wont cut it in my book, aspecaily if your ml and need the loot yourself, i would have turned 60 that run, and told him so on ts. but still ninjaed the loot)
so won't see me on anny tuesday runs where i dont even know who the commander is....
Well the ML didnt made the decision here mate - The ones running the raid were - that is Gilmarion. Bambe only did as he were told. You have to accept that fact, and leaving like that showed that you were there and expecting getting phat loot on first run??? You were not even lvl 60 which is normally req. to join ZG/AQ runs, so you should actually praise urself lucky to be allowed into the raid. Everyone gets thier loot eventually, so i dont really see the problem?
yeah, your right im stupid.
(sarcasem)
gl with your runs.
Perhaps you should think about this at a time when your cooled down since u dont really are discussing anything ur just being plain childish and offended...
na, just dont want to discuse about it. im pretty calm and already that it true, arguing it wont me chance my state of mind at what happend. besites still dont know a the blook Gilmarion but he is probely a alt of menedill ore somting? dint he go to rightus for some asume loot.... and your backfiring me for beeing a loothore. sorry yust bad argument points you have and my english is to bad to make a good counter jugment
Yes Gilmarion is the Raidleader for 20man runs - and yes hes an alt of Menedil, but if you dont want to discuss it, its okay.
Maybe someone could elaborate the situation so we can see it. Normally i would say that person not being high enough lvl cant get the item yet, thats always been fair and square.
Quote from: noevra;151201..... Gilmarion but he is probely a alt of menedill ore somting? dint he go to rightus for some asume loot....
Yes he is the alt of Menedil, and yes Menedil did join righteous, but he kept Gilmarion in SOG as a RL and operator for 20 man raids.. Besides he didn't join RG just for the loot but for some other reasons..
I don't know what the loot was, but I am certain that if you go again it will drop again. You can't always get the loot you want straight away.. As I said: if you went again, it would drop again.. eventually..
Personally I have no idea what went on, what I was reacting to was the attitude of a member in posting those comments. They were out of order. If you don't get what you want then by all means post, but be respectful and courteous. SOG run 20s better than pratically any other guild on the server, so I doubt there's a problem with the way we run them - it's served us well to date and probably will do in the future until someone comes up with a better system.
TL.
yeah, sorry about that tl, sould posted it difrently. whasnt my planning on insulting the hole raid just some on, dont know if thats better but still
Apology accepted, but the intention to insult 'someone' rather than the 'whole raid' is hardly better. May I suggest that instead you write about what happened, what you felt was wrong and how you would change it? That way people can asess for themselves the circumstances and whether or not there is need for change. That would be far more productive.
TL.
Situation:
a purple chestpiece (cloth 20int + 20stm + 20something damage and healing) dropped and 3 persons rolled for it:
Shando warlock lvl 60 with 30 something
Bamblewhistle mage lvl 60 with 40 something
Crusader warlock lvl 59 with highest roll
ML and raidleaders decided to give it to Bamblewhistle.
I personaly have no comments on this, than leaving group because I didn't get it is not good behavior.
didnt see the point on staying if i wearent allowed to roll on annything, stated that on ts.
Quote from: noevra;151241didnt see the point on staying if i wearent allowed to roll on annything, stated that on ts.
Seriously mate, calm down...
You knew the rules and they dont change frome time to time.
It doesent matter if hes and Alt of something or someone, hes an alt so alt rules goes for him aswell.
Loot isent everything. with that what you did just leaving raid was just childish. If loot is the only reason you join then plz dont join again. You join a run to be a part of accomplishing a goal together with other 19 / 39 people, and loot is just a reward for completing it.
Think about it again, meny want the same loot but hell if they dont get it this time then next, and if not next then the time after. You also got to remember the in these kind of runs are rep req and if someone has the higher rep he WILL get the loot no matter what you roll.
//Yrthal
makes sense but you could getyour lvl :) and then start to roll?
aye, the best thing about AQ / ZG runs is the rep you get, then you can make different thingswith your professions, last night I became honored with the zanzalil tribe. can make major trolls regeneration potions 20HP/5 sec regen nice? ( get me mats I'll make for you)
*cough cough* hmm
Noevra, you're not gonna stay lvl 59 forever so relax that chest was nice but will get better ones my dear :)
Quote from: shadowscream;151238Situation:
a purple chestpiece (cloth 20int + 20stm + 20something damage and healing) dropped and 3 persons rolled for it:
Shando warlock lvl 60 with 30 something
Bamblewhistle mage lvl 60 with 40 something
Crusader warlock lvl 59 with highest roll
ML and raidleaders decided to give it to Bamblewhistle.
I personaly have no comments on this, than leaving group because I didn't get it is not good behavior.
it was a BLUE drop from bloodlord.
i believe my words were "i dont really care, but how can you need something you cant even use" and left that open for interpretation.
Quote from: noevra;151201na, just dont want to discuse about it. im pretty calm and already that it true, arguing it wont me chance my state of mind at what happend. besites still dont know a the blook Gilmarion but he is probely a alt of menedill ore somting? dint he go to rightus for some asume loot.... and your backfiring me for beeing a loothore. sorry yust bad argument points you have and my english is to bad to make a good counter jugment
oh please, make more assumptions on matters you know nothing about.
i left a guild where i was first or second in line for almost everything that i wanted, to join a guild where i was last in line for absolutely everything, and only one boss ahead. sounds like some SERIOUS LOOT WHOREING TO ME!!!!!
idiot.
I wanted to apologise for my absence last night.
I had signed up for yesterdays raid with my Mage but my internet connection went down the night before and has just yet come back, so I could neither appear nor cancel my signup :(
Yes Timmeh is a big fat loot whore, /roar /slap /spit /cackle
no problem myanmar ;)
and sinap. dont make me post that video.
http://thottbot.com/?i=51200
thouse dropped,
Shando warlock lvl 60
Bamblewhistle mage lvl 60
Crusader warlock lvl 59
and there ware asked on ts:
"how can u need soemthing when u arent lvl 60?"
and i agree on that question, since there is already a preson who can use it the "priority" should go to that person.
now its not about the loot, its about the behavior, leaving the raid just becuse people dossent get what they want. realise if evryone did that there would not be anny raids ever..
now i have seen thouse drop 1000 times and u know what???
they will drop again. and il bet that u will find something simular or even better, its all about keep on going
like old einstein said (sabinas signeture)
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
Quote from: Claw;151344http://thottbot.com/?i=51200
now its not about the loot, its about the behavior
indeed, its not about the loot, its about the behavior, if a ml dosnt raid mutch never seen him in zg and then becomes ml in a run... great for him. but then when he dosnt win loot he say's hey... wait he isnt 60 lets say he can use it so i can loot it. yeah great idee.
next time no officairs are in a zg (i mean the real SoG officairs) im not helping out. besites. i helped i didnt sign up it whas you needed members. and then get ninjaed(no way els to see it in my eyes) im off. no fun for raiding anny more
Well Bambewhistle is the alias of Sheperdbook so I am sure he knows his way around in ZG and the ML part.
And if an officer is in a 20man raid he isn't necessarily the ML or RL. It is usually a commander leading the 20man raids, and they are also the ppl arranging the 20man runs. If you got issues or questions about a 20man run the commanders would be the right persons to confront.
Noevra - i do not like ur attitude - ML had nothing to say in this decision, this was told to ML by the raidleader which was Gilmarion.
Im guessing you dont see Marshals as real officers then? You would not see us fit to handle a 20 man ZG run??? Well let me tell you this - we run every week with RG2 and you should know this cause ur in that group. You dont think were fair? You dont think we can do a raid? I know we can and do...
So you should get ur act together and stop complaining - again you should praise urself lucky to get into raid when not even lvl 60 which is a req. But dont come to RG2/soldier raids if you dont want to its ur own choice, but that behavior is nothing i see fit acting...
Not going to comment more on this since it seems like were stuck, so i think all has been said from my point of view...
You know what? I dont llike your attitude either. Sure , loot is loot, its all pixels, its all coding. But when you roll high enough for something that you "need". True, noevra did need, it @lvl 60, and i agree. But gods sake, stop saying it, i think he got it after the 2 pages with it. We all have been mad at something that dropped, and we felt we lost it for reasons that we have no idea about why.
"Oh, the item will drop again" sure it will, but what if he doesnt roll highest? theres always a measure that can fudge it up. On the other hand, dont curse to guildies. Its just mean, try acting civil. I am by no means slagging you, i know, you may have been in a bad mood, you may have had RL stuff. Or you just were in a mood where you had a short temper, or maybe you naturally have a short temper.
Lets just drop this case. GL on getting it next time.
well he won that roll and only menedill was leading the raid :unsure:
so what i dont understand is all these people attacking crusader without any clue what really happend
Crusader was level 59 and rolling for a level 60 [pants] he won the roll as far as i know the ML was not a officer and he could choose what to happen with that item. What ML could have be done is asking crusader how was feeling about it. then someone sad he is lvl59 ML:gratz me then thats abit ... uhm new word loothish as i agree that other alt could use it directly and benefit the raid at that time <_<
Crusader did helped benefit the raid aswell by attend it and putted some RL time in it aswell we dont play wow to have a view at the ZOO we want to upgrade our characters and get better
Where Crusader was hit was that he attended for nothing if he never get some upgrades (all ZG items are lvl60) [ELSE DO NOT ALLOW BELOW 60] or be fair on the rolls
It doesnt matter much but it was a blue item epic is a bit more powerfull and that would go straightly to a level 60
neff sorry about "attacking" guildys that why, dont know why dont have a exuse so only can appoloice for that.
on the onther meather my frustration is out, and you all probely know what i think of the subject, if not then sorry about my bad english.
lets drop it and go on beeing the good guild we are
greetz noevra (aka crusader)
so youre telling me youd be perfectly happy if it was the other way round, if you were the lvl 60 and some lvl 59 got loot that he couldnt even use, instead of you? i dont think so.
this not gaining anything from the raid is BS. you can get epic loot from as little as one or two runs from making friendly, if you get the quest item drop.
if you were trying to perhaps make us consider that its not fair that lvl 59's get deprioritised for loot, i dont think making personal attacks on raid leaders or master looters - who spend a lot of their time organising these raids for people like you - is going to help your cause at all. its really quite disrespectful.
btw youre still not lvl 60.
Stop moaning and start owning Menedil :D I know ya can do it ^^
Yea - great :clap: to Menedil for leading us in the 20s.
The loot system we used has been developed over some considerable time and has served us very well to date. The outcome was correct and is not in question. The system works, keep up the good work Commanders and assistants.
TL.
I have a little sumthing i wanna add. ..about loot..
Situation: We kill Hakkar, roll for the heart, I win (only decent roll that evening :happy:), but the heart goes to an alt with greater rep..? I was on my main.
I'm not ****ed, but maybe a little bummed, 'coz I know i don't have that much time to go for 20-man raids as others, and therefore i prob will not see the drop for a long time. And when I do I prob won't win the roll..
What do u say to that?? What are the exact rules?
The rep requirement is so that alts that play much actualy have a chance of getting the heart of hakker trinkets over some1's main that dont show up alot (due to what ever reason), cause otherwise alts can do 40 odd runs and still lose to mains that are thier on thier first/second run.
Might not be the best for you, but its fair overall reward on attendance so to say :smile:
Yep, as Bastet says, you need to put some effort into the raid, to get something out of the raid, and instead of just rolling for the loot, its prioritised so that the ones that put the most effort into it, gets it first
Mjolner dont get bummed.. i also got the rep req and needed it as main but he got the heart anyways. the reason is rep req is Exhalted and since noone had that you got down to revered and since he was revered then it doesent matter if hes and alt or main just that he has the rep and roll thats req..
So sign up get a couple of runs more when you got time and you'll get it m8.. Belive me done 100000000 runs in AQ and ZG to get head and heart, but no rep (or ap) no item just mood up and do it over and over again untill you got it.. :boxing: cheer up mate :yahoo:
its not like teh heart is a rare drop either ;)
nono, heh, i'm not THAT bummed about it..:biggrin:
It was just a word, in lack of better, but I have no problem at all..
I understand & respect it well, and, again, have no problem with it at all..
And thx for clarifying the rules. They make sense.. :smile: