Dead Men Walking

The Marshals and Field Marshals are trying to find new ways to develop the guild the whole time. Atm we are trying to find a way to fit in some new ideas but we need to hear you people if is possible.

The Marshals have been discussing moving the Monday’s raid to Tuesday. But before we can talk more about this we need some input from you guys so please vote for which days you can attend.

There is no reason for keeping Monday as a raid day anymore - it also makes the 20s easier too. By moving the raid day to Tuesday we will follow the RG1 raid schedule and this will make room for something else we have in mind as a possibility - running a whole Guild MC/OL run or something along those lines. Nothing confirmed or agreed yet, but if you happened to move to Tuesday it would help the M/FM discussions.

So, can you raid Thursday + Tuesday as raid days?

Only RG2 Members to Vote Please!!

As a reminder;
 
ONLY RG2 aka. DEFENDERS VOTE

Spread the word, also ingame, please.

suits me

locked and loaded! bring it on , all days are raid days ^^

I cannot, one of the reasons I applied as a Defender and not as a Guardian. I have rugby training Tuesdays and Im not going to give that up for raiding

Ok for me :smile:

mondays have always worked out fine for me.
raiding on tuesdays instaid gives me a bigger chance of missing 2 raid days in 1 week due to work. because the days are closer together and i have different shifts of 3-4-5 working days.
 
will have to try and see what happens..overall i dont think it would matter that much for me wich days we raid.
 
So what ever works out best for the guild RG2 has got my vote.
I have FULL confidence in our RL/Marshalls :flirty: :clap:

If the raid days were changed to tuesdays and thursdays, I would apply for RG2 as soon as a slot became available. Tuesdays and Thursdays are the two days I can do most of the time.
 
**I havn't voted as I am not a member of rg2 but just wanted to make this point**

i voted wrong i can raid any day of the week so its fine by me
:woot2:

I cant say i like the idea of skipping any of our current raid days as i have ensured that i could play these days by letting my workplace know that i cant work those nights, not sure they will be too fond of me changing it again this soon...

Quote from: Collinn;151523i voted wrong i can raid any day of the week so its fine by me
:woot2:

I have amended the vote score to take account of your incorrect vote.  Whilst your name still shows where you vote the score for 'No' is now one lower than it was and the 'Yes' one higher.

TL.

Quote from: Gallahan;151525I cant say i like the idea of skipping any of our current raid days as i have ensured that i could play these days by letting my workplace know that i cant work those nights, not sure they will be too fond of me changing it again this soon...

If the day moves it should not have to move again as it would be in synch with RG1 and maximise the free days we have for other Guild activities.

TL.

sounds nice... any day suits me 8)

I have to comment that this is a biased question, it does not ask whether Monday or Tuesday nights are better, but rather can you do Tuesday.

Now I could do Tuesday but it would be v difficult and v annoying, so I've had to say no as this would be the only way to reflect my actual opinion.

I'm sorry that I'm having to be my usual whine-adin self and that my disagreement is obviously biased in my favour but I do call things the way I see them, I hope you understand.


Shep

PS Please note the number of people who are saying 'any day suits me' - this is not preference for another day, just a statement it can be done.
PSS Grats to everyone in RG2 tonight!

QuoteI'm sorry that I'm having to be my usual whine-adin

Want some cheese with that Whine? :lmfao:

Yes pls, make sure it's something old and crusty :narnar:


Shep

Change of circumstances here, just got my timetable for next terms lectures.

I cannot raid on Tuesday nights due to lectures. It is the only bad evening.

If you're going to switch nights why not try Sunday, RG1 uses Sunday and more people voted for Sunday on the poll.


Shep

Quote from: Sheperdbook;151683Change of circumstances here, just got my timetable for next terms lectures.

I cannot raid on Tuesday nights due to lectures. It is the only bad evening.

If you're going to switch nights why not try Sunday, RG1 uses Sunday and more people voted for Sunday on the poll.


Shep

I second that, would make it much easier for me and not making me miss half of the raids each week :smile:

I understand and respect that it would make life easier for the officers to 'synchronize' raiddays. I also know that some people chose to be in exactly this raid group because of the raiding days, so if you change those raid days you give those who have a commitment on tuesday the choice of either dropping this commitment, whatever it is, or leave RG2, because with 50% attendance you will lose your rank.
 
So the question is, is simplified planning worth making 6 people (the 'no' votes so far) chose between real life commitments they might have had even before WoW and RG2?

Myanmar I would love to have the ability to switch around so that I could adjust to this but Im at rugby training from 7 till 9 in the evening. Such a thing cant be changed because I gotta play a game :sad: And chosing WoW above rugby, thats a choice easily made. Rugby all the way. If this schedule change would go trough I dont really know what to do. I could go to Soldier but the only real fun I have on my Priest is the raiding and taking that away, well yeah would just suck... :(

I would have to also say that it would be absurd for me to sacrifice my degree.

However it need not be like this, there are other nights (like Sunday) that would meet the officers' requirements.


Shep

Quote from: Sebas;151962Myanmar I would love to have the ability to switch around so that I could adjust to this but Im at rugby training from 7 till 9 in the evening. Such a thing cant be changed because I gotta play a game :sad: And chosing WoW above rugby, thats a choice easily made. Rugby all the way. If this schedule change would go trough I dont really know what to do. I could go to Soldier but the only real fun I have on my Priest is the raiding and taking that away, well yeah would just suck... :(

 
Sebas, thats exactly what I am talking about :)
 
Is it really worth for the officers to change our raid days and by that effectively forcing people that have invested a lot into RG2 to leave, just because they dont chose WoW over RL?
 
Imo the raid days should be respected, because they are probably the most sensitive issue a raidgroup has.

Quote from: Myanmar;151984Sebas, thats exactly what I am talking about :)
 
Is it really worth for the officers to change our raid days and by that effectively forcing people that have invested a lot into RG2 to leave, just because they dont chose WoW over RL?
 

Noone says, It has to change or forcing ppl to leave, they are just checking if its possible due to make the 20man instances easier to  schedule.

RL is allways the most important part, but not to forget its also nice to be a bit flexible. I know its tough for some to be, due to they got allready alot going on with work, fam., and other activities. And we respect that, but it does no harm to ask.

And the only thing they are trying to achive with these different, questions and votes, is what they could do better to benefit the whole RG and guild.. ppl often do misunderstand what they are trying to do, reading these post it allready souns like they are gonna change it, but what this realy is about is IF its possible.!?

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Yrthal, it is for exactly this reason that ppl are explaining why they are for and against this. By doing so the officers can guage the actual underlying sit'n.

And ofcourse people are going to get touchy when they are concerned that they may lose their ability to raid if they don't make themselves clear and discuss viable alternatives.

We haven't slated the process of voting, we've made it clear why we have problems with this evening and have also suggested an alternative that some of us who can't do Tuesday and that still fulfils the initial purpose for the change of evenings.

I think it's just as important though to ask which nights people would prefer to raid and it only seems sensible to ask at this stage, as we should be making it as convenient as possible for members and prevent possible rl/wow conflicts.

It would be a great shame though if we didn't discuss the issues and then valued members have to leave.


Shep

About 18-20 people have still not made they vote and only 3 days left.

A suggestion for Sunday was made and is being mentioned as a better alternative by some in this thread, but you should remember that almost 50% more voted for Tuesday in this poll than voted for Sunday in the other poll, so there is at the very least likely to be an equal-sized group not happy with Sunday if that were the proposed day.

However I am sure the Marshalls will take all this into account and make a decision based on what is best for the whole raid group and guild in the longer term.  We can guarantee though that despite our best efforts we will never please all of the people all of the time.

TL.

Tealle, the fact still speaks for itself that in the other vote 3 more people said Sunday rather than Tuesday.

The 50% more point has been discussed in this thread and attributed to people though not wanting an extra raid day that they could raid on another day instead.

Surely the point should be to make the raids as accessible as possible and I'm just suggesting looking at the other vote and considering that RG1 also raids on Sunday nights that a Sunday night would have been a superior initial choice for a different night.

Anyways I'm not trying to have a go at anyone here just trying to discuss what might be better.


Shep

Quote from: Sheperdbook;152100Tealle, the fact still speaks for itself that in the other vote 3 more people said Sunday rather than Tuesday.

You misread my post.  The fact I was pointing out was that in this poll mor epeople had voted for Sunday than had voted for Tuesday in the previous poll.  The fact that fewer people voted in the last poll is a different point.

TL.

Quote from: TeaLeaf;152143You misread my post.  The fact I was pointing out was that in this poll mor epeople had voted for Sunday than had voted for Tuesday in the previous poll.

It might be that I as well have misread your post, but I kind of have to agree with Shep: those two polls are about different things - the first one about adding and extra raid dat, and this one about changing a raid day - and thus you can't compare the two polls with eachother.
As Shep pointed out, since there were more people willing to have Sunday as an extra raid day over Tuesday, it is also logically to believe that more people will prefer to move Monday's raid day to Sunday instead of Tuesday :)

I was simply pointing out the numbers are not disimilar and so despite the protestations otherwise there are likely to be a similar number who have problems the other way.

TL.

I was pointing out what Threb has now further described.

Anyways I've made my points quite clearly now, so I'm not going to bother explaining any further as I believe that the Marshalls and the rest of the team are pretty aware of the situation.


Shep

Ok  so i have voted yes, however that's not entirely true :)
 
As it is now, i work on tuesday nights :)
 
However that schedule only lasts to 6 november.  at which a new schedule is made up.  so before that i cant really raid at tuesday, after i can.
 
 
wasnt sure which one to choose :)

aah, the easy life of a student!

i voted yes, and would have voted yes on anny datum...

as long as girlfriend thosnt complaine... im fine :doh: