Due to the loss of 2 commanders yesterday we gonna give the 20 man raids at least a 2 week break. In this time a lot of things need to be done there for the purpose of organising the commander section again.
Naminly we need new commanders. If you are interested let us know in this post. But plz only apply if you think you have the dedication to bring it to a good end. Talking on TS is needed. A bit of exp there would also be good since the remaining commanders do not have time anymore to give you a good work in period.
As a notice the commanders that stepped down are kregoron and lunares.
Lunares
Very sad to hear. So now we have to find another way to do things. But guess marshals / FM allready are talking about stuff.
I think it has been my fault that both lunares and Kreg steped down from commander.Yesterday friday 22 september.i joined some friends of mine a smaller guild for a ZG run, and i had ask some ppl in SoG none of thoose had sign up for ZG yesterday if they were intrested in helping out they sad yes.After that i got a whisper from both Lunares and TL about it since SoG ZG run lacked priests i told them why i joined ZG with some old friends that was becuse i made a promise to them along time ago.
Well if this is the case then we are pretty much bound to SoG and cant do any runs for our own becuse maybe we are needed in some way and therefor we need to be standby.Im not giving up raiding with RG2 just becuse of this.Im just taking a break this weekend becuse i think its not funny to get whisper were ppl accuse u for not being availible and for lying.Someone sad to me once "we pay for our account and that none can change" we are in this game together AND its a GAME rember that.
Wierd the dumb ars priest
why cant we all just be friends!?
Weird its not your fault, lots of stuff has the reason for me stepping down... Lots of frustrating stuff and me not having energi to do the 20 man made me chose this..
we had this discussion before i think a break is not a bad id Lunares and Kregoron get some real life stuff to between the 40man raids it helps !
Go outside and get a beer !! :cheers:
i have to agree with wierd there.
now going to a zg run or aq run shouldet be anny problems, wee have done it before and wee will do it agan, being able to join up and give a hand to a small guild get started is a big gift.
i understand that there could be anny truble going to an MC, BWL, AQ40 run with an other guild but a ZG or AQ20?!?
I am a Defender and im raiding @ RG2 raid nights MC, Ony and BWL
what i do in my spare time with my main or my alt chats, is there no one that can tell me. ZG and AQ20 @ SoG is a voleteer raid dungeon..
so why being upset?!?
so are you 2 leaving just becuse u dident get your run yesterday???
and dident get controll over some preist that u wanted.
I sure felt like it was my fault when this post just poped up in the forum after that small discussion we had yesterday about me and some other ppl helping a smaller guild in ZG.well best off luck to both Kreg and luna on the RL stuff.
Quote from: Claw;151910so why being upset?!?
so are you 2 leaving just becuse u dident get your run yesterday???
and dident get controll over some preist that u wanted.
Claw try pop up two posts and read again please
Quote from: kregoron;151913Claw try pop up two posts and read again please
kreg i was in NG channel yesterday and i saw the postet so..
Well, I must say after hearing about the events leading upto the stepping down of Kreg and Luna I'm very disappointed, and I share in their frustrations.
I'll try keep this brief.
It's been a great pleasure working alongisde Lunares and Kregoron for the last 7 or 8 months, organising and leading these raids and bringing them to such a high standard - none other on Aszune can claim to have had such a thriving 20 man raid calendar.
I feel we worked well together as the original Commanders; we shared the same goals, made decisions quickly and unanimously. I dont think any of us ever felt out of place doing the job, most of the tiime it was genuinely a pleasure to do it and I think we became pretty good friends though it.
I'm afraid that for me the job wouldnt be the same without Luna and Kreg being part of the team. We became Commanders together, it's fitting we should step down together.
It may not mean a lot to many people, but please take this as my announcement that I'm stepping down as a 20 man raid leader. I'll obviously help the successors to the Commanders in setting up any system they require, or they can feel free to continue using the system I made.
It's been a pleasure being a Commander, I hope we made a difference.
Menedil
OK first of all weird we do not blame you.
2nd this what kreg also said has been in our head for some time this was just the last drop for me. I can do a rant here which i wont but i do feel backstabbed NOT cause you did the other run but i get the feeling here commanders are not needed anymore since ppl dont seem to talk to them about these things. You can give me we are free to do what we want. I say yes true but then my question is why did the commanders even go through the trouble? This incident yesterday wasn't the first wont be the last but atm i am not up to the 20 man anymore.
Summed up for i stopped it cause i think ppl dont respect the commanders (or it seems that way)
Lunares
Claw, you have to understand this from a Commanders point of view.
If youd put so much time and effort into doing what we do, would you appreciate it when someone from your guild starts taking away people that you need for your raid? It's a slap in the face. And this isnt the first time.
Basically what we're reading from it is "oh i want to do ZG tongiht, shall I go with the commander lead guild run or some other random guild? hmm screw commanders"
Quote from: Claw;151915kreg i was in NG channel yesterday and i saw the postet so..
Ye i know... And did you ever see a direct pointer agaisnt Weird... but enough of that yesterday... Its not the essential here... that was just a minor incident when looking at the greater picture which lead to the currect situation..
I cant say anything ells that its sad that see luna/kreg/mensil steping down but im feeling once again it was my fault that made them step down since i feel like that.I was pretty happy when Oneangel asked me to take over for him as class leader for the priest but im not sure if i can do it anymore and i also feel like im not wanted in SoG anyhow by some ppl.Well im gone think about it over the weekend and see how a feel on monday when RG2 makes a new try in BWL and hopefully i feel a little better by then.Its no one that point me out but by the whisper that i had yesterday and whats sad in Officers channel this seems very handy at the moment.And its pretty strange its happening after a i made a on choice to go along with some friends instead of signing up to SoG run!:
Weird, its not your fault.
Now to get back to what this post is about..!
I would like to go and give it a try :boxing:
Have done the runs meny times, and know that tactics and what is needed to get a balanced team together! :smile:
and to add.. what happend, happend.. lets not flame eachother, cause a minor setback.
I am nutral here and can see the problem forme both sides.
I know i was pretty mad about the incident yesterday, and think all of us were. But lets grab a beer and get back to the happy place :biggrin:
There is no need to be wasting energy on this, instead of using it to get back where we were..
*Sorry seem to be the hardest word*
Quote from: Menedil;151918Claw, you have to understand this from a Commanders point of view.
If youd put so much time and effort into doing what we do, would you appreciate it when someone from your guild starts taking away people that you need for your raid? It's a slap in the face. And this isnt the first time.
Basically what we're reading from it is "oh i want to do ZG tongiht, shall I go with the commander lead guild run or some other random guild? hmm screw commanders"
meme yes i do.. and its not about screw commanders.
in this discussion there is other points of wiev u see it from commanders site and i see it from my site and an other guild site..
and no its not a random guild. 1 waek ago i got asked if i would help out a small guild (Veritas) now i know menny of their members and i know there history and attempts to start a 20 man run. now i said yes to give them a hand and show them how to do it.
now wee are 9 from SoG and i was playing my preist alt.
and wee improved their knowlange by 300%. they use to go down wipe 3 times @ snake boss and ply a bit blodlortd and that it.
now doing bat, snake, spider, raptor and a good try @ tiger made them to be the happyest guild ingame.
now think about giving people a little "gift" and give them an oppertunity to show them if they work hard for it they will sucseed.
not only our alts get a bit rep and few blues
but think about what respect SoG gets???
its not all about SoG, its about having fun and SoG.
Claw i get your point and its nice that you would and the others would help a small guild with learning a place.. but was it really needed to bring half a raid grp? would have been smarter to get a few more of their the experience and only bring 3-4 peeps...
But anyways this wasnt really the point of this thread, and as i said earlier, the issue yesterday is just a drop in a ocean.. so much other stuff has to do with the topic of this thread.
Quote from: Claw;151927now think about giving people a little "gift" and give them an oppertunity to show them if they work hard for it they will sucseed.
I think the sentiment is fantastic and one which I both support and applaud, but things like this have a time and place and taking 9 people out of the ZG raid pool, even on the same night as the actual planned raid when we usually have less than this as surplus should have sounded alarm bells in yoru head. Had you cmmunicated to anyone about this I am sure none of this would have happened as we would have planned for the shortage of people. Were it not for the generosity of both Padding & Lunares (who both came to help out when they had not planned to be there) we would have had an 18 person raid with one priest and one pallie.
I think charitable work is great, but it's also about communication and this was sadly missing.
TL.
I agree with u TL and i will try work on my communication.
and will leave eit at this point its usless to go further on with it.
Wierd
Good, then we go on from this point.....
Stay on topic an plz people let us know if you would like to participate into 20man raiding.
Sad news...
Just a big gratz and a big thank to the leaving commanders who did such a great job in leading and organising the 20 man raids! :byebye: :yahoo:
I'm sure the new ones will make a good job with a lillte help from Luna, Kreg and Mene for the first times.
Thanks again! :worshippy: :clap2:
This is sad indeed to see such people step down for they did a great job to maintain these runs. don't think I would go that far to become raid leader or something but I will always help out in 20-man runs. I do have a mic now and can speak in TS, but I belive there are others who like to take the responsibility :)
1 question though, is the aq20 for today canceled also? because i see ppl have signed there and the raid still there.
yes the run planned today is cancelled.
Lunares
I'm very sad to hear about this, thanks to all 3 of you, you did an outstanding job and invested a lot of effort into this.
As much as I understand Menedil's noble act of solidarity, I would wish for Lunares and Kregoron to give it a thought if it's not worth to talk to him once things have calmed down and ask at least him to continue leading 20 man raids, for the sake of the guild. Unless, of course, he has his own reasons for stepping down.
sad to hear, but thanks for the long nights "working"
really gutted when saw this this morning and all arguing is sumat wont bother with
just wanted to say thanks alot to luna kreg and mene for their work on the 20 mans, really great 20 man leaders and special thanks to luna who saved the last few aq20 runs by going when he didnt plan to
hope the 20 mans can get up and running again smoothly but thanks for all your work getting them this far u3
To Luna, Kreg and Mene: :worshippy: :thumbsupsmileyanim: :clap2:
I'm sorry that I didn't have time to join in on more of those runs, but my time simply didn't allow me. And I assume that's partially some of your reason for retiring as well.
Well done guys, it's really something to be proud of!
Quote from: Threbrilith;152030I'm sorry that I didn't have time to join in on more of those runs, but my time simply didn't allow me. And I assume that's partially some of your reason for retiring as well.
Yea thats why I stopped aswell.. Cos you didn't play more often :angry::narnar:
On-topic: Well I can't say anything that hasn't already been said.. Sad to see you step down, cos you did one hell of a job organising those raids putting a lot of effort and time into them, but I respect your decisions..
Well done all 3 of you :thumbsup::cheers::worshippy:
Quote from: Nefertem;152031Quote from: Threbrilith;152030I'm sorry that I didn't have time to join in on more of those runs, but my time simply didn't allow me. And I assume that's partially some of your reason for retiring as well.
Yea thats why I stopped aswell.. Cos you didn't play more often :angry::narnar:
Uhm... I see now that that didn't come out
exactly the way I heard it in my head :rolleyes:
But if you give it a shot, you probably know what I mean 8)
Ty very much for the planning of the 20man raids Lunares, Menedil & Kregoron. I may not have attendend any of them, but i know just as well as you do its one hell of a job(or , not exactly, i've never done it) It's a game, aye. But you used your RL time, and probably alot more than you really "should" , just so a bunch of guildies could get some rep & epix/blues:)
I understand Wierd etc, but when you wear sog's colours, you fight for Sog. IM not slagging your ranting you, but its just moral. You wear an Mutd soccer shirt, and play for Arsenal, comprende? :)
This isnt exactly a bombshell. Think this has been in the works for a long time due to the SoG atmosphere effectively being killed over the last year.
Just my two cents. It's this guilds own fault they lost two good raid leaders.
Is a reason why I aint online this much on Aszune anymore.
But no criticism without something positive to report.
At least now maybe raidleaders speak understandable english :lmfao:
(No offence Luna :norty:, Im half dutch so I understand you perfectly)
eh...
i AM english.. was i really unintelligible? :P
Off topic:
I dont see whats wrong with being a helpful guild. Normally there is enough people who wants to join the 20 man raids and the ZG raid with the other guild was planned a week ahead. I only saw people flaming those who went to ZG with the other guild not the ones who would rather grind than go to ZG.
Basically its the same thing only those who wanted to help the other guild had planned it for a whole week. The grinders grinders just didnt wanna join.
And if you needed priests couldn't some one with a priest just relog it?
Sometimes things just dont turn out the way you planned it. Then you just gotta pull your self together and move on.
On topic:
Thanks for you guys leading us safe through ZG and AQ20. You did a great job.
Quote from: Nefrion;152094Off topic:
I dont see whats wrong with being a helpful guild. Normally there is enough people who wants to join the 20 man raids and the ZG raid with the other guild was planned a week ahead. I only saw people flaming those who went to ZG with the other guild not the ones who would rather grind than go to ZG.
Basically its the same thing only those who wanted to help the other guild had planned it for a whole week. The grinders grinders just didnt wanna join.
And if you needed priests couldn't some one with a priest just relog it?
Sometimes things just dont turn out the way you planned it. Then you just gotta pull your self together and move on.
On topic:
Thanks for you guys leading us safe through ZG and AQ20. You did a great job.
First of all: A lot of you seem to think this was a 1 time something. Well if this was the first time we would have done as you mentioned and moved on. BUT it wasnt this was just like we stated before the last drop. I think has this allready started before you where even in the guild. Lately it happened a lot. And yes i think helping fellow aszune players is a good thing but the sog raid suffered from it which is bad.
2nd of all you planned it. thats a good thing but why did you not tell the commanders? the Marshalls want to know also if you come or not.
Then you have the signup site nice thing and yes you havent signed up but imagine the feeling you get when your own raid is strugling and then you see a lot of other members in the same instance.... Thats not the best feeling and this happened a lot.
About the if you needed a priest could not someone relog. I did relog cause i had a "break".
And as the last point i want to thank the ppl for their kind words also in this topic. Also i wanna wish the best to the new commanders with their job.
lunares
Quote from: lunares;152101And as the last point i want to thank the ppl for their kind words also in this topic. Also i wanna wish the best to the new commanders with their job.
lunares
Me love you tooo Luna :) :)
As i mentioned before in this topic, plz stop the discussion now. We all are furstrated in a way or another. But stop here!
This topic was to say farewell and find new commanders. If you feel there is more to discuss plz choos another place or take it with a Marshall or FieldMarshall.
What happend did happend, but no reason to be stepping on it over and over.
but thats just what how i feel.
On the contrary, It does. When people leave you need to take a good look on what you are doing. Because usually when people start leaving its a indication something is really wrong.. Instead of moving on, bla bla bla bla etc etc.
Take some time and reflect on ourselves on what we have become....
Most of us shouldn't like it...
Will new commanders solved this problem with people going with others guilds?
I don't think so as long people don't have more loyalties to this guild 20s run.
Thanks Luna, Kreg and Mene for having done this one hell of a job organising those raids putting a lot of effort and time into them, I am sad to see your work ending like this, but I respect your decisions
First of all, thanks to the guys who've led us thus far for a job very well done. As TL and others have mentioned, we're one of (if not the best) at doing ZG/AQ, and this is very much thanks to the people leading us.
I have a feeling that part of the reason they are stepping down is the change of people going on the ZG/AQ runs, cause I'm sure it's not like it used to be when u did this with the "good ol' boys". Not many of the original SoG'ers are doing this anymore, and I can only guess why (tired of the instance, got all they need from the place, missing the raids with their old friends).
After rading a couple of times with RG1 early on when I joined SoG, I know there is a huge difference in the atmosphere on TS. The reason for this is probably that many of the RG1 people know each other a lot better than we do in RG2 and soldiers. It's a lot more jokes and such on TS (some think maybe too much), and this makes the whole experience a lot more fun. RG2 has a lot to learn from this, myself included.
Anyways, enough ranting and guesswork. If you want another person to help lead the ZG/AQ runs, I'd like to give it a go. Been to both instances many times now, and think I know all the bosses pretty well. Think that with a helping hand of how to set up the raids and such I'd be ready to go. And if I give my microphone a good spanking now and then, u'd actually hear what I'm saying from time to time.
I feel like going to ZG tonight! Anyone wanna join me? :smile:
im up for it :smile:
ill go, i should b around.
m2 with my presit
No Offence meant here but could we keep on topic and only post here from now on if you are interested in a commanders position.
And gl on getting the run to zg tonight:smile: .
Lunares.
P.S. Next week we will make a list of those interested and we will contact those in some kind of way.
I will come too :biggrin:
Quote from: lunares;152511Next week we will make a list of those interested and we will contact those in some kind of way.
i want a love letter :D :D GL chosing the commanders
Quote from: lunares;151900If you are interested let us know in this post. But plz only apply if you think you have the dedication to bring it to a good end. Talking on TS is needed. A bit of exp there would also be good since the remaining commanders do not have time anymore to give you a good work in period.
Lunares
BUMP.
All those interested should post in this thread, or if you feel shy then PM either Lunares or any other Officer.
TL.
I am interestet in helping out from time till time however i cannot commit to 1-3 weekly event. I can help out RL when im in the raid anytime, since I allready have lead many times before and know tactics on all bosses it easy for me :D
It's a shame this has happened, especially since I was thinking about going along again more often. I really hope that it's just a phase, and not caused by Wierd, since he's a good bloke really. after all if he's not signed up you simply *can't* have a go at him. If the people who joined along with him were signed up/queued then they should not have gone, but from what I rememeb rin gchat on that evening, people (maybe not RL) were havign a go at Wierd cos he was in zg but not SoG zg, irrelevance! since he wasn;t signed yo SoG zg, he is free to do with his time and money, what he wants, he decided a run with some old mates would be cool. The whole point of the sign-up site which worked very well was to see who was available for a run and who would queue, if he had wanted to go with sog he would have, but sometimes it's nice to have a run with other people. Anyone who thinks that a member who is online and in an instance should defer to one organised by the guild, when on their own time, is sorely mistaken and selfish.
If this is not you, then don't pay attention to my ramblings, but simply put:
Don't ever make someone feel bad because they aren't doing something you want them to in their free time.
this will only get you a loss of respect, less attendance from that person, less motivation from that person and at worst they will leave because they feel forced to do things. None of this will benefit anyone.
my 2c
kinde late with that post umbra.... but still good point could we no keep on the bump of tl :)
Quote from: Umbra;152657It's a shame this has happened, especially since I was thinking about going along again more often. I really hope that it's just a phase, and not caused by Wierd, since he's a good bloke really. after all if he's not signed up you simply *can't* have a go at him. If the people who joined along with him were signed up/queued then they should not have gone, but from what I rememeb rin gchat on that evening, people (maybe not RL) were havign a go at Wierd cos he was in zg but not SoG zg, irrelevance! since he wasn;t signed yo SoG zg, he is free to do with his time and money, what he wants, he decided a run with some old mates would be cool. The whole point of the sign-up site which worked very well was to see who was available for a run and who would queue, if he had wanted to go with sog he would have, but sometimes it's nice to have a run with other people. Anyone who thinks that a member who is online and in an instance should defer to one organised by the guild, when on their own time, is sorely mistaken and selfish.
If this is not you, then don't pay attention to my ramblings, but simply put:
Don't ever make someone feel bad because they aren't doing something you want them to in their free time.
this will only get you a loss of respect, less attendance from that person, less motivation from that person and at worst they will leave because they feel forced to do things. None of this will benefit anyone.
my 2c
Second
^^ Very well put there umbra
And again i want to say we DO NOT BLAME weird but this was a last drop in the full glass that made it overflow(and no i do not talk about a specific person here). And umbra funny you talk about respect cause that was the reason i quitted commanders.
Now stay on topic plz and if you wanna discuss the reasons plz make another topic i will gladly join you there in the discussion but this topic is for ppl to apply for commanders.
Lunares
I will gladly help if my help is needed.
Quote from: Umbra;152657It's a shame this has happened, especially since I was thinking about going along again more often. I really hope that it's just a phase, and not caused by Wierd, since he's a good bloke really. after all if he's not signed up you simply *can't* have a go at him. If the people who joined along with him were signed up/queued then they should not have gone, but from what I rememeb rin gchat on that evening, people (maybe not RL) were havign a go at Wierd cos he was in zg but not SoG zg, irrelevance! since he wasn;t signed yo SoG zg, he is free to do with his time and money, what he wants, he decided a run with some old mates would be cool. The whole point of the sign-up site which worked very well was to see who was available for a run and who would queue, if he had wanted to go with sog he would have, but sometimes it's nice to have a run with other people. Anyone who thinks that a member who is online and in an instance should defer to one organised by the guild, when on their own time, is sorely mistaken and selfish.
If this is not you, then don't pay attention to my ramblings, but simply put:
Don't ever make someone feel bad because they aren't doing something you want them to in their free time.
this will only get you a loss of respect, less attendance from that person, less motivation from that person and at worst they will leave because they feel forced to do things. None of this will benefit anyone.
my 2c
just my words
AMEN
sorry if it went off-topic, and, if you read the middle paragraph: if this is not you then ignore, or something. what i meant was, those who /w him saying 'you should be here, omg' or such.
as i said ages back, from both sides, respect is earned not deserved instantly, if ppl are treated as pets, shouted at then ignored, do not expect respect from them. Personally if someone seems to have a specific lack of respect for me i'd rather find out why and solve it.
AAnyway, what I would like to say that is on-topic is that, I'd like to help out if and when possible, I don't have much experience but willing to learn, wed and/or sat are probably good for me. Maybe make a poll of people who can commit regularly (once a week/twice a week) often, sometimes etc, then go from there, maybe passing the beuracracy and admin to the most motivated person :)
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A bit late, but agree with you Umbra, well put.
I cannot commit to every week but dont mind helping out when i can.
The window for applications for the post of Commander will close tomorrow morning. If you plan to apply then get your application in right away please so that the applicants can be considered and consulted. Applications should be sent by PM to Lunares.
Many thanks.
TL.