Hello readers:yahoo:
just wanted to say last nights molten core pick up was a really nice run and its nice to have raided MC again after a long while, specialy with all the people alts or soldiers to be happy with the loot we got in stead of everything getting DEed.
also good job leaders
maybe we could turn this into a more regular thing, say a byweekly event that allows people who dont have their set complete or just want a "hybrid item" from there and of course allow alts and soldiers to have some raiding fun :smile:
if we could make this a bit more organised we could maybe regulate the number of people per class and there dps/heal output more so we get a somewhat balanced group also
It was indeed very fun - a nice and relaxed raid with lots of banter and joking :biggrin:
Only too bad we didn't get Ragnaros down - starting to think I'm never gonna see those cursed SR leggings <_<
Quote from: Marduk;152573maybe we could turn this into a more regular thing, say a byweekly event that allows people who dont have their set complete or just want a "hybrid item" from there and of course allow alts and soldiers to have some raiding fun :smile:
I think I saw TL write something in chat yesterday before disbanding the AQ raid about there soon coming an announcment about MC in a week or so, so I look forward to that :yahoo:
As already mentioned elsewhere on this forum there are some plans afoot here. Please give it a week or so and more info might be forthcoming.
TL.
Yeh it was a cool run (molter core, and cool run...hmmm).
Even won Might Gauntlets with a 4 roll hehe.
Problem was, during week days, I usualy have to leave early :sad: So I missed the bosses Sulf, Gole, Domo, and Raggy.
Isn't it possible to do runs like yesterday on days like...friday or saturday?
Would be nice to make an open raid for the whole guild. And please dont make it hard for yourself with attendance points, sign up sites and so on. People tend to dig themselves a hole when putting up rules and regulations.
KiSS ftw!
Non DKP raid with a roll based system. No defender/guardian priority on loot. Do the raid like you would do any 5man raid :biggrin:
^^ I agree with that nef.
but also it would be good if some of the expenced members could come along even if they dont require anything, just to balance it out a bit when ppl like me (new to end game no purple stuff yet) get in to the raid.
There should at least be some restrictions Nef, like a fire resist limit and not a fresh level 60 with almost only green stuff. After all, we gotta make sure we at least have a chance of completing the instance.
Yes ofc Jemeny.
What I meant was that there shouldnt be any loot restrictions or any priority on who joines the raid. I think these open MC raids will make SoG a more attractive guild for soldiers as well.
But as you so well said Jemeny, we need to make sure that we can actually finish the run in one night. Luckily MC is easy enough if you have the tanks and healers for it.
/scuttles away to get FR up
Gratz guys on last night, I would have come along but was in a kind of bad mood. Up for this in the future though.
ganne make my warlock attuned for mc and sure i come:yahoo: somting difrent than hitting targets with 2 buttons ^_^ bring it on
To those who said 'but we need rules' I disagree, the rules and limits etc are for the proper full raids, this was just for fun, and it WAS fun, we had some fresh lvl 60s, we had some ppl in green gear, we had shi77y FR in some places and still we got ragnaros to 23%, but don't start excluding people, it's not necessary. Or saying some experienced people have to come.
I seriously enjoyed it, nothing got DE'd, everyone benefited in kit or experience, except dajo and his 23g repair. It was a fully open invite to all who were attuned, and that is what made it fun, because no-one expected anything out of it, it was unbalanced as hell lol. after all, it is also a good experiment. if we get 10 hunters, 15 priests and 15 warriors, do it, just see how far you can go, it's a refreshing change from 'i heal x, you heal y, he tanks, he offtanks' etc,
as TL said, it looks like 'something' is in the offing regarding instances and non-RG chars, I'm looking forward to it.
Right on Umbra, the idea of making a guild is that a bunch on people gather and make runs together and have fun. I really enjoyed the "Free MC run" yesterday, the idea of free is very nice, it's like putting 10 different fruit in a grinder and see what the result is :D
Well seriously the idea is to have fun, and fun we get in this way+ soldiers and alt have a bigger chance of gearing up.
tryng not to make this an argument btw :) , just stating that it was fun *because* there was no onus upon anyone to meet requirements or meet expectations of progress. it is good that there is progress nd discipline in places (RG runs) but this was like a party time, let yer hair down (for those who aren't bald gnomes). I think we need both, like a university has lecture theatres and a union bar, you meet people in both, learn things in both and can enjoy yourself and show off to others in both :D
P.S. Padding for FreeMC RL
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Gratz guys on last night, I would have come along but was in a kind of bad mood. Up for this in the future though.
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QuoteTo those who said 'but we need rules' I disagree, the rules and limits etc are for the proper full raids
I have to disagree there when the raids will be fully implemented. There is some excellent drops from MC that are unique in the game still, and if you dont make rules about who can get that, you will get angry people.
The raid was only full of all these RG1 / RG2 mains because the RG1 raid was cancelled due to lack of players. Most dont need anything from MC, and i seriously doubt that these people will run MC week after week, just to help people. I would like to see that guild spirit, but unfortunately, just not realistic.
Also take into consideration that a lot of us played on our main chars last night, and if all people just suddenly logged their ALT, the raid would be a bust. We had a fairly good party, and we would also have downed Ragnaros if we had played a bit better.
If the 40 man MC raids are to prosper, you need rules and leadership. We've seen it time after time with the 20 man raids, and thats only half size.
As for me as a raid leader, thanks for the vote of confidence, but i simply dont have the time
i think if you make this run a "loot" run it wouldnt be that hard to find folks to join in a mc run. For instance if a boe items drops, and people can roll on it. the motivation is there to come along, so they can make the money.
It my be a bad thing but why not bennifid from the bad and make it a good thing.
ofcourse there sould be some rule's because there are indeed some items that are unicum in the game. and indeed folks get angry. but to manny rules will distroy the fun.
And on a wensday not rg1 ore rg2 is raiding. and if the raid of rg2 is moved to thusday we have monday 2 to make a mc "pick-up" run.
Quote from: Umbra;152659because no-one expected anything out of it
I was expecting SR leggings :taz:
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Quote from: Threbrilith;152682I was expecting SR leggings :taz:
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I kinda hoped for Gorions right binding :ranting2:
Well.. Would you like to organize it Padding?? The problem is that people get sick of trying to please everyone. Why not make it a non guild-related run just with guild members? That means with no stuff going to guild banks and so on. I like Noevra's idea about handing out BoE items if no one needs em. That should attract some players.
Yeah some people might get p!ssed off because a soldier gets an item before a guardian just because the soldier rolled highest but as this run is not a raid group related run you will just have to accept this. As RG1+2 is progressing it is getting harder and harder for soldiers to join our raids. With some stuff from MC they could become the new RG members and might even be able to fill in in BWL.
QuoteWell.. Would you like to organize it Padding?? The problem is that people get sick of trying to please everyone. Why not make it a non guild-related run just with guild members? That means with no stuff going to guild banks and so on. I like Noevra's idea about handing out BoE items if no one needs em. That should attract some players.
You are missing the point. I never said anything about soldiers not getting loot before guardians. Its a run free-for-all and the loot is rolling for. Especially that fact is extremely important
That said, i think its clear that some rules need to be made. Try running a Molten Core run with 40 alts with no FR. It will be a disaster. The success of 40 man runs depends upon having few and simple rules that will ensure that people get what they want from the instance and ALL stand a fair chance, but should also be that f.ex. Gorion has 1 binding of the windseeker, that if the second one drops, he should get it because of set priority. In your rules, all would roll for it. Now where is the fairness in that?
And ofcoz should all stuff picked up from Molten Core go to the guild bank. We are using the money to secure RG1 and RG2 progress in BWL and other instances. Without money for pots etc, we wouldnt be where we are today, so thats definately my opinion.
Yesterday if Stormrage leggings had dropped, Bob would've rolled for it along with everybody else, and just too bad if he didnt get them. Thats what these runs are about. But Molten Core still is a fairly hard instance, so you dont just skate through it with a bad group. You do need a lot different classes with a lot dps and fire resistance.
there you go. you dont see the point we try to make.
We dont need a ather rg, we dont want set rules, we got already 2 raidgroups that are serrieus, and ofcourse if some one hase 1 set of legendaire item drops he sould get the ather part. but that is more than normal. but to say folks need fr, and need tactics, already before we begane going there.... well sorry, that sounds to me just for a rg3 with soldairs and alts. yust go and see how far you get with the group you got.
i see it happen with all these rules you want to set up, soldairs still cant come along and alt still getting a hard time going in. and besites. the boe items go to guildbank? ofcourse pots and so on cost money, but you cant tell me that with 5 raids in a week you can pay it. You doing it now.... why sould than the "extra" mc run go to guild bank to. Besites if you ganne aply that rule, you indeed wont get mutch rg1 and 2 members to help out.
Quotethere you go. you dont see the point we try to make.
Maybe i dont, and thats ok with me. If people find that they will make these runs on their own, i just predict that it will be worse than if we acutally organise it, but you can prove me wrong
Quoteofcourse pots and so on cost money, but you cant tell me that with 5 raids in a week you can pay it. You doing it now.... why sould than the "extra" mc run go to guild bank to. Besites if you ganne aply that rule, you indeed wont get mutch rg1 and 2 members to help out.
Sorry to say, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Running the guild costs lots of money and we dont get any particular money from the drops we get in the instances. Thats not a lot compared to the costs of making 5 flasks of titans each week
QuoteYou doing it now.... why sould than the "extra" mc run go to guild bank to. Besites if you ganne aply that rule, you indeed wont get mutch rg1 and 2 members to help out
Because its used for the people in the guilds benefits. Im using a LOT of the money made to create gear for our tanks f.ex. Money gotten into the guild, is spent for the guild, but we need a lot of reserves now that RG2 is a firemaw as well, then they need 5 flasks of titans, and that thing costs money.
It was great fun - and would have been even better craic if my mic was working properly! Bobbyus thanks you all for his three epic drops last night ;)
Even though i joined late i had fun :smile: . Missing MC and having a Guild Run would be great and i dont mind helping when i can.
Cannot we just in a raid on common sence ?
like we did last time, Bobbyus did not have Lawbringer pants, Padding did not have lawbringer pants.
they both could have rolled, but padding did not, for the simple fact that bobby would benefit from it more
same would go for the bindings i would say gorion has more use for it then a warrior without the other half
and if people pass loot for you, you return the favor, for example alts passing on the Stormrage leggings for Bob
Quote from: Marduk;152809Cannot we just in a raid on common sence ?
If every thought this way it would make things so very simple. Unfortunately not everybody does think this way as has been proven time and time again :sad:
TL.
Thats what Im trying to say Duk. You just said it clearer. No rules- just use common sense! If you want to be an a$$ and roll on the binding even tho Gorion has the other half its your choice. Just dont expect anyone to pass on loot to you ever again <_<
Quote from: Nefrion;152812No rules- just use common sense!
I think you'll find that you have just stated Rule No. 1
TL.
Rule one is good, but some rules need to be made, ofc them dont have to be as complicated the raid group rules, but some saveguards that you get a viable raid group would be nice though :smile:
I think alot of people are missing a point here, the idea of such a raid is not progress, at least, not first and foremost. we will most likely get some bosses down but the reason it was fun is because it was a 'suck it and see' situation.
To the cynics above, I think the majority of people who will go on these do have common sense, since the majority of fools get weeded out relatively quickly, can *anyone* honestly say they would roll on the bindings Gorion needed? I would love TF, but i'd rather he had it now, than I got it in x months time.
by the same token, progress is good, but i'd rather it was run like a guild run to scholo or something, i.e. give different people raid leading practise, no money spent from guild etc. The aim is to see how far we get with what people turn up. *NOT* to arrange a perfectly balanced raid, and exclude people with greens, low fr, and kick too many of one class. dare I say it....those raids already exist.
I know it only went very well becasue alot of RG1 were free, but liek i said, it's missing the point, the aim is use what we have to the best, regardless. if we only get 1 or 2 bosses, then what the hey, the more soldiers and alts in there the more experience and slightly better kit they have. Remember this isn't a replacement for current well organised raids (<3 RLs) but an additional fun thing, thus anything that comes out of it is a benefit.
If it ends up being run by some random person or few people very well, like the 20man raids were ,then all well and good, but it shouldn't be forced into the same mould as normal raids because, well, if that were wanted why not just get another raid day.
normal raids : progress+loot+adrenaline+lubhealers
fun raids : fun+bonus loot+practise at RL/ML for people
Quote from: Threbrilith;152682I was expecting SR leggings :taz:
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Well, i was expecting for Felheart Horns, Felherat Shoulderparts and Felheart Robes, and any dropped yesterday!!! Wasnt a very good Warlock loot day!!! ha ha ha!, but i got a nice Azuresong Mageblade with a roll of 99!
Yesterday was a very nica run, with lots of fun. At was so fun because it was a totally unexpected run, unscheduled one and formed only for the sake of guild fun, loot and alts, and so.
For rules we have the schedulled raids days, but this was fun for all because the lack of those rules, the lack of DKP's, the good mood of people in TS, and so!
Great guys! Gratz to all the people who made this posible!
thats what i wanted to say!
/sign to umbra
I can't see why there's any argument about this. Is a raid less fun because we require that they at least have a minimum of fr protection? I can't see how this should change the fun any more than that you have to be level 60. I may be different from you in that I enjoy progress (sorry, I can't see the fun in repeatedly wiping on a boss that we usually wipe the floor with). The wiping-untill-we-can-do-it is something that's "reserved" for the scheduled raid nights, imo. Wiping again and again on the first few trash mobs cause people insist on bringing their 5-minute old level 60's is not what I consider fun. You're talking about how fun it is with the joking on TS etc. but I can't see why this should be any different cause people are required to fill a few basic requirements. And also keep in mind that a lot of the joking and stuff going on in TS is most likely the result of all the RG1 people there. They have another "culture" on TS than RG2 and soldiers. A couple of ZG/AQ runs should tell you this.
Anywho. I have no problem trying it your way, but remember that we wont have as many RG1/2 people to allow the progress done last time.
because as soon as there's a requirement for this and that it becomes restrictive, i don't think it will be a case of constantly wiping, since quite alot of the loot in mc GIVES you fr, so they don't expect you to have too much of it to begin with.
if you purely enjoy progress and not just a bit of fun with loot as a possible bonus, that's up to you, but my thoughts are have it so that we have something for everyone. if it's restricted to lvl60, 100fr, no green kit etc etc, then we end up with rg1+rg2 on a typical raid, i keep saying, we HAVE those already. if all you want is another raid that's the same as the current ones, sign up for the poll that says 'i want another raid day'.
If there's gonna be an official alt mc raid then fine, official = organised = expectations, and that's ok too. what i'm saying is that what happened, was pretty much a guild pug like scholo/strat, and that made it a different kind of fun. these thoughts are not mutually exclusive btw, i'm just supporting the possibility of guild mc pugs in future for fun and experience and a bit of loot and the cameraderie, with that in mind any guild pug that gets taken over and rules enforced is one i'll probably leave. I know when a run is for progress and i know when i want one *just* for fun to see if my priest can do it right. for example, theoline was mostly green kit, came along, had fun, was nice to have her in a raid again. by your reckoning she wouldn't have got in, quite alot of people wouldn't, the point isn't can we finish it, the point is, how far can we get with this bunch of ninja's and which random soldiers wil lgo home with a smile and an epic and respect for rg1/2 ppl.
Otherwise it's like waiting for someone to say 'who's up for a loot run of strat scarlet', joining, then saying 'no, he has to leave cos he's got 2 greens, she has to leave cos she hasn't been here before' etc.
on a compromising note, how about if a random RL is chosen for it, and that person chooses their rules, that way I can let anyone in who is attuned and we can have a blast (ppl will learn, and nothing will get de'd), and you can restrict it to essentially rg1/2 , clear the whole instance (coming back with alot of nexus crystals),
edit: I know there won't be as many from rg1/2 if we do it again officially, but what im trying get across is, it doesn't matter, learning and experience and fun are prime, progress and loot will happen but is secondary.
maybe i'm getting all offended when i needn't and maybe it would be good to have something organised, I would jsut hate to tell some soldiers they can;t come when to me, it's more important thye have a go and learn so that if they are called upon to join rg1 / 2 they are not overwhelmed
edit2: oh, btw i've done an mc run with rg2, when the swapping was implemented, the TS was a bit quieter but myself and ragnarh soon loosened you stiff-necks up a bit :D
Quote from: Umbra;152904maybe i'm getting all offended when i needn't
Uhuh. /nods :narnar:
TL.
hehe. I see you fight for your right to party, or whatever u wanna call it. I may be a pesimist, but what I feel, is that by letting in anyone who wanna join with no requirement, it first of all will "scare off" the people that would carry it along (a rg1 member getting killed over and over will have a very expensive night so u can test out your "newbie" level 60). Let's compare it with a PuG of level 50s trying to do UBRS, u think they would stand much of a chance? Sorry for being such a kill joy, but I'm just trying to be realistic.
QuoteLet's compare it with a PuG of level 50s trying to do UBRS, u think they would stand much of a chance? Sorry for being such a kill joy, but I'm just trying to be realistic
Couldnt agree more here really. People think that Molten Core is easy beasy, but thats only with your main char and people who have been there 50+ times.
Thats why i think there should be some basic rules, just so that the party has a real chance of getting the instance pwned within the 1 raiding night (since thats all that possible probably) and the items like legendary drops goes to a person that will really use it. I'd hate to see a legendary go to an alt character.
I would like to think that common sense could be used, but unfortunately we've seen that to many times not be the case
I think there are cross purposes here, i'm talking about non-official fun, not the 'possible' official alt-open runs. Additionally I also said these needn't be mutually exclusive. I'm just wary of things that start off fun being taken over by excessive red-tape.
As an analogy, think of you and some mates in a garage building a go kart, not much progress but fun and you get somewhere, then yer dad comes in and says 'right, you have to use these tools, that mate of yours doesn't know much so he has to go home, if you make any money it all comes to me' the kart might get built faster, and you may win the race, but the enjoyment is far less. There is a time and a place for dad to be in charge, but if he turns up and organises everything you do you begin to want him to go back to watching tv :P (harry enfield 'noooo, you don't wanna do it like that!')
ofc if there's an official guild-sponsored alt run, i'd like it to be organised along the same lines as a normal raid, but these random off the cuff ones should happen also.
btw i'm happy to give dajo some money as an rg1 main who died lots, don't mind supporting those who pulled more than their share of the weight (23g omg).
ofc if you're trying to avoid the situation of fresh lvl 60s thinking hey, ill go to that and get carried along on a free ride to get epics, then i see your point, granted.
re: loot, why not implement something on the lines of the 20man thing, hydraxian rep, legendary items would be good to go to someone if it finishes the item, but with respect to alts, if no-one has a binding yet and one drops then it shd be equal rolls, maybe use the hydrax rep to counter it as said above, alt and main? bah, i want nice drops to go to someone who really needs it and has worked for it, dont care if its a 'main' or an 'alt'
P.S. all this is just an opinion and verging on the 'devil's advocate' stance, I'll come along on these however they happen ^_^
I see no problem with the suggested way of looting, I only want to set a few requirements so there is even the remote possibility of any loot at all. :)
And this isn't anything like building a go cart in your garage, it's more like trying to make a micro processor with a hammer. ;)
Quote from: Zabard;152944And this isn't anything like building a go cart in your garage, it's more like trying to make a micro processor with a hammer. ;)
That created a
really good mental picture in my head - nice one Zabard :biggrin:
Quote from: Zabbardhehe. I see you fight for your right to party, or whatever u wanna call it. I may be a pesimist, but what I feel, is that by letting in anyone who wanna join with no requirement, it first of all will "scare off" the people that would carry it along (a rg1 member getting killed over and over will have a very expensive night so u can test out your "newbie" level 60). Let's compare it with a PuG of level 50s trying to do UBRS, u think they would stand much of a chance? Sorry for being such a kill joy, but I'm just trying to be realistic.
You would be supprised how many RG1 members would help out the starting of this "raid group", they might see it as a challange to heal and such, since theres actualy something to do, where normal RG1 raids kinda "suffer" from healing overload in MC/BWL
And anyhow, just hold on to your boxers for a bit, since a announcement is fortcoming shortly
Well get on with it, dang it, we're on the edge of our seats! :)
Gib announcement +5 of slaying.
Quote from: Bastet;153043where normal RG1 raids kinda "suffer" from healing overload in MC/BWL
Well that can be 'fixed'. Priests, pallies and druids can do more then just heal ya know :flirty: .
Quote from: Zabard;152944I see no problem with the suggested way of looting, I only want to set a few requirements so there is even the remote possibility of any loot at all. :)
Seriously, MC is hard but it's not THAT bad
Quote from: Zabard;152944And this isn't anything like building a go cart in your garage, it's more like trying to make a micro processor with a hammer. ;)
It really isn't, aq40 is like building yer own mcu -- everyone needs to know what to do
bwl is like building a house -- people should know what to do but others can show them if they arent sure
mc is like building a go kart -- a few ppl should know what to do and tell others to do a simple job
Quote from: Sandrion;153072Well that can be 'fixed'. Priests, pallies and druids can do more then just heal ya know :flirty: .
Yep, they rez the dead too ya know. Get on with it. :boxing:
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;153083Yep, they rez the dead too ya know. Get on with it. :boxing:
TL.
You do know that resurrection is our most mana-efficient healing spell? :P
On the subject of timing, applications are closing for Commander positions tomorrow morning, Marshalls have made some decisions which then allowed Field Marshalls to approve a draft announcement. We hope that this will be posted before tomorrow night, so it's not long to wait!
TL.