Hi all
Here is a surgestion - how about we get an officer from RG1 to join in on our next attempt at BWL, on monday?
The officer is not to assist in the slaying of Razor, but only to observe - and hopefully find out what we do wrong, give some tips and guideance.
If the raid should be full - im willing to give up my space (if i get one) so that we could have this "floating observer".
How about it? :g:
Well we had TL a couple of times in the raid......
We seem to get him into phase 2 now... I'm wandering how the tanks should get agro on Razorgore, maybe MT must take over the last two eggs....
I also understand as orb controller that you need to be sure that razorgore is at some distance whit the last bit of channeling time. He would otherwise start ganking you and you are not able to controll the orb anymore. Unless you have sufficent time then you can go for the last egg infront of the orb.
I think all the experience is there , we mange to get him into phase two several times....tanks failed to pickup agro, I dunno why that is only I can think of is the conflacration and other classes over dps them..
I have to be honest it's fairly obvious what's going wrong usually, also I hate to be a little cruel but each time we've downed Razor and Vael in the past it has been more of a chance-downing than an inevitability.
Admittedly Blizzard haven't been helping us with their latency/disconnects lottery, but we're going to have to learn to deal with this, which can only be done through flawless aggro management.
For example, for the last couple of runs I've been slashing down my overhealing as to prevent getting myself getting aggro which I've been having a problem with for ages, I'd suggest the same to any healer.
Also I'd like to know if we could do a couple of runs without Razor taking aggro, I think now that the tanks are only managing the dragonkin that this could be a possibility. Certainly all classes have been suffering heavy losses during that transition stage.
So don't lose hope! It's just going to take some time.
Shep
Practise makes perfect!! I vote for practise to become perfect....
QuoteI'm wandering how the tanks should get agro on Razorgore, maybe MT must take over the last two eggs....
There's 2 options really. One being that the tank is main controller, which is ideally and i know some guild which uses that, but if you have a paladin that controls, remember that the paladin must run to the corner with 2 tanks *immediatly* after last egg is down. If possible, the raid should try to keep that paladin up, since his aggro is so big that he actually can tank Razorgore for the remainder of the fight
This is what RG1 did for the last few fights. Usually i died always a bit into phase 2 since i wasnt healed, but lately they've been keeping me up, and thats nice.
The transistion from Phase 1 -> Phase 2 is very important that Razorgore be kept in the corner at all costs, since otherwise its a almost a wipe. Paladins should also immediatly switch to FR, since Phase 2 is all about fire
Paladins and other healers should
ONLY use flash heals to not get aggro. When we do that, we have no healers getting aggro.
Yep, what I do is try to run to the corner without bubble..... I can make that. When I bubble I can heal myself and he comes back (probably killed some members already).
I always run to the west corner as this is the most close one (and I'm left handed :P ). But like you said, Sebas was having the problem beging ganked everytime and found out about the flash heals ...it did kept him alive. There were many improvements last monday and yesterday, which shows we still don't master the tactics. I do believe we are so so close as it's only a matter of getting agron on the right time.
I will spam TS with the egg count AND will say that MT's (1 and 2) should come to the orb. because last egg is down, I'm at orb, Razogore is comming to show me some lesson...and he alway succeed in a way. I don't mind the dying as we will master the tactics later on, then we can start dividing our attention to the every beiging ganked palla called Daedalus.
Quote from: Knabbel;156261Yep, what I do is try to run to the corner without bubble..... I can make that. When I bubble I can heal myself and he comes back (probably killed some members already).
You are not expected to survive as orb control. If you run into the corner and stay there, heal yourself as long as you can and hope healers/tanks keep up :narnar: if you bubble he runs away straight away leaving tanks unable to build a bit of agro / having to chase him down hampering agro build.
A quick comment here.
We are currently struggling with attendance, so with that in mind, it's obviously why we fail, tho we were close last night. We do great with the player/gear material we have at disposal when we enter BWL. If we had a full RG2 raidgroup, last night, with the right raid class balance, it would have been a "walk in the park"
Im very pleased to see the new tactics in work, they would have ensured victory if the above had been fullfilled.
Attendance, unfortunatly is the one parameter that makes or breaks the raid, and raid leaders have no say over it, last night if we had a full experianced RG1 group we would have killed Satura, but since we didnt, i hope that the (new) members that where here got experiance so that we will get him down the next time. and hopefully next time we have a few more RG1 to make it a sucess.
guys 1 tip: dont give up, it took rg1 months to perfect razor
Quote from: Knabbel;156261...
I always run to the west corner as this is the most close one (and I'm left handed :P ). But like you said, Sebas was having the problem beging ganked everytime and found out about the flash heals ...it did kept him alive. There were many improvements last monday and yesterday, which shows we still don't master the tactics. I do believe we are so so close as it's only a matter of getting agron on the right time.
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I did notice that using very, very low ranks of flash heal seem to work better than higher ranks, in means of aggro. I've gotten an addon which calculates the rank needed when you cast the spell using the hp which he got left. This is very usefell for ZG/MC and all 5-10 man instances but it was of no use to me during Razorgore. Its too damn hard to make sure you only use low ranks that Im throwing that addon out of my list when were fighting in BWL.
What I also support is just trying for once to
not use Fire Volley, if not more than one kiter has died. Use fears and such on the group which is running loose and let Razorgore handle the eggs without anyone hitting him. Because once a Paladin needs to cast BoP on him, well you can call it a wipe for sure. Like someone said yesterday, its a lose-lose situation.
BTW, Daedalus Lefties 4 Life :narnar:
Quote from: Gorionguys 1 tip: dont give up, it took rg1 months to perfect razor
Yep dont get down lads, we will kill this dwagon and when we really mastered him we made a big step in BWL :biggrin:
QuoteWhat I also support is just trying for once to not use Fire Volley
Thats cool enough, but Fireball Volley is a way of getting the last 5 eggs down easier than keep kiting. RG1 has always been doing it until recently, so i would advise you to keep Volley'ing until you feel you own the fight, and the fight doesnt own you :smile:
Well i say the new tactic we did last time works like 60% better then what we usually do, unfortenetly meny of the original RG2 were afk due to RL stuff and we had bad luck with 6 DC every fight.. i Say do it this way 2-3 time with full RG2 and Razor is down without problems...
Well, good luck tonight..
I´ll be back next monday from Iceland, though not sure i can make raid time..
Yup, just hi-jacked this to say hello from this cold and windy island.. :smile:
You might ask Ragefull (DA) to comment on the tactics in BWL as he was invited along to the RG1 BWL clearance last night as an observer to reaffirm the Marshall's understanding of RG2 BWL tactics. He was there for the whole raid and so has seen the tactics in use by RG1 at Razegore.
TL.