Work In Progress
The below is a quick list of the things we would like each member to bring along. Some have been over-buffed (I looked for everything possible for mages), others I know will be missing some potions or buffs. If you think of something that would be helpful to a specific class then please post it so it can be added. Likewise, if some of the pots share the same cooldown or will not stack then let us know please.
For All
Health stone from Locks (1)
Acqual Quintessence (1)
Major Healing pots (20)
Heavy Runecloth Bandages (40)
Onyxia and/or Zandalaar buff (1)
Greater Fire Protection pot (2)
Greater Arcane Protection pot (2)
Druid
Major Mana pots (10)
Flask of Distilled Wisdom (1)
Brilliant Mana Oil (5 charges)
Hunter (as per Tanales)
Night Dragons Breath (20)
Whipper Root Tuber (20)
Demonic Rune (20)
Major Mana pots (10)
Major Troll's Blood (5)
Elixir of the Sages (5)
Elixir of the Mongoose (5)
Flask of Distilled Wisdom (1)
Mage (as per Teaelle)
Flask of Supreme Power (1)
Major Mana pots (20)
Limited Invulnerability pot (5) - for those emergency 'I got aggro' moments
Magic Resistance pot (5)
Brilliant Wizard Oil (5 charges)
Greater Arcane Elixir (5)
Elixir of Frost Power (5)
Major Troll's Blood (5)
Songflower Serenade (http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=-115)
Greater dreamless sleep potions (10)
Night Dragons Breath (10)
Whipper Root Tuber (10)
Runn Tum Tuber Surprise (?)
Paladin
Major Mana pots (10)
Flask of Distilled Wisdom ( 1 or 2 )
Brilliant Mana Oil (5 charges)
Major Mana pots (10)
Mageblood potions (2 or 3 )
Major Healing pots (5)
Priest
Flask of Distilled Wisdom
Brilliant Mana Oil
Major Mana pots (20)
Limited Invulnerability pot (5) - for those emergency 'I got aggro' moments
Mageblood potion (3)
Nightfin Soup (speak to your friendly high level cook)
Rogue
Major Healing pots (10)
Major Troll's Blood (5) (health regen ones)
Elixir of the Mongoose (5)
Flask of Titans (1)
Winterfall firewater (5)
Elixir of Giants or Elixir of Brute Force (they do not stack)
Elemental Sharpening Stones (not sure how many will be needed)
Free Action potion (5) (for use on destroyers and the adds on Gehennas)
Elixir of Mongoose (5)
Warlock
Major Mana pots (20)
Limited Invulnerability pot (5) - for those emergency 'I got aggro' moments
Elixir of Greater Shadow Power
Flask of Supreme Power (1)
Brilliant Wizard Oil (5 charges)
Greater Arcane Elixir (5)
Warrior
Flask of Titans (1)
Greater Stoneshield pots for boss fights?
Elemental Sharpening Stones (not sure how many will be needed)
Winterfall firewater (5)
Elixir of Giants or Elixir of Brute Force (they do not stack)
Gift of Arthas (5)
Free Action potion (5) (for use on destroyers and the adds on Gehennas)
Elixir of Mongoose (5)
The MT groups will be set in raid templates (I will organise that side of things), meaning no nasty waits for group changes.
Each Class should have a predetermined number of specific pots as a minimum. The plan will be to use these pots throughout the run. Please could Officers post below the pots needed for specific classes or edit them in to this list. I have no idea if what I have already posted stacks, but I want us to be prepared, so post if you know they don't!
I will appoint an OOC rezzer (pallie) for the non-boss bits of the fights, this will keep us moving along fairly quickly.
I will appoint someone to keep track of a 'potion timeline', issuing reminders when necessary to those to refresh pots or buffs. Not sure if this will work as it may get horribly out of synch if people die but you never know.
I will set predetermined targets, pulling hunters, bubble pull pallies and MA's - no delays when assigning - I will organise a sheet listing who is doing what on each boss/mob.
I will assign specific people to douse each rune.
That's all I can think of at the moment. Please add or comment on the above please.
TL.
Please note that several Mages (myself & Kreuz included) are respeccing from Fire (mostly useless in MC) to Frost/Arc again just for this run. If your telent build has changed because you don't do MC much any more then consider if you need to respec to suit the speed run. This will mainly affect Mages, but everyone should have a think about their build just to check. I'll be respeccing back to my current build right after the speed run though!
TL.
Lunares & Teaell can make all of the Flasks and I think several others can too (marduk for exmaple). If you want some made up then send an in game mail with the mats and we'll make them up ASAP and then mail them back to you.
Please do this ASAP as the flasks will need to be made in either the BWL or Scholo alchemy labs, so some preparation will be needed.
TL.
Done a couple of these wannabe speedruns, ended up in about 3 1/2 hours with ppl that's not even got full tier 1 and loads of BIO-breaks.
Will recommend winterfall firewater, elixir of giants / elixir of brute force (these don't stack so your'r choice :)) for tanks for the little extra ;) As for the rogues aswell: firewater, giants and 2x elemental sharpening stones for bossfights, trash will go down so fast so using it on em will just be a waste. :)
Good suggestions, they have been added to the main list.
Quote from: Jorgen;157584Done a couple of these wannabe speedruns, ended up in about 3 1/2 hours with ppl that's not even got full tier 1 and loads of BIO-breaks.
Our previous best is RG1's 2hrs 36min, but this was on a normal raid night clearance and not a speed attempt, so it included AFKs, bio breaks and if I recall an 'almost' wipe. The aim of the speed run is to plunge WELL BELOW the 2 hour mark.
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;157579Elemental Sharpening Stones (not sure how many will be needed)
Increase critical chance on a melee weapon by 2% for 30 minutes.
I can make them and need dense stone as well as Elemental earth.
2 x Elemental Earth
3 x Dense stone
This is for 1 stone.
And yeah, have to add for the tanks:
The ZG trolls have their potion that adds +50 stamina and spirit ;)
Yeah you most likely know it, but it's just a reminder :D
Have to be honored and deliver a bijou or 3 coins of some sort, this lasts 2 hours so should be more then enough for the whole instance.
QuoteOur previous best is RG1's 2hrs 36min, but this was on a normal raid night clearance and not a speed attempt, so it included AFKs, bio breaks and if I recall an 'almost' wipe. The aim of the speed run is to plunge WELL BELOW the 2 hour mark
i Seem to recall me and Padding(?) being the only one's left, so thats a really close wipe. But as long as a noom stays alive, is'okay.
Oh, and greater arcane elixir is good for locks too :)
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=14541 - Gift of Arthas - might be useful on the tanks. increasing all damage taken by 8 doesnt sound like a lot, but really it does add up and make a difference. It works on a lot of mobs including bosses. If you understand why its worth taking a hemo rogue along, then youd understand why this is worth using too :) And its cheap to make.
Isn't it a little overdone 20 demonic rune and 20 wipertuberroot anyway 20 each ??? we gonna do a 3 double MC or something?? Some of us don't have the time to grind a hole week for those mats as in some of us have to work.
regarding the flask of titans, will the warrs have to procure one themselves or will it be supplied..?
Quote from: Soulbringerx;157628Isn't it a little overdone 20 demonic rune and 20 wipertuberroot anyway 20 each ???
No idea, I threw the list togetger very quickly for you to improve. So explain and improve the list please.
TL.
QuotePaladin
Major Mana pots (10)
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eeh thats it?
Quote from: Marduk;157656eeh thats it?
....that's all tha tPadding asked for in the preparatory list! So improve it please Duk - tell me what you would like to see you & your fellow pallies bring along.
TL.
Flask of Distilled Wisdom ( 1 or 2 )
Brilliant Mana Oil (5 charges)
Major Mana pots (10) Mageblood potions (2 or 3 )
Health stone from Locks (1)
Acqual Quintessence (1)
Major Healing pots (5)
Heavy Runecloth Bandages (20)
Onyxia and/or Zandalaar buff (1)
Greater Fire Protection pot (2)
Greater Arcane Protection pot (2)
is what would be usefull for pallies from my point of view :)
Palla's can also use MAgeblood pots for some nice extra mana regen. Also for everybody that can uses intellect, take Runn Tum Tuber Surprise for a little extra
1933 health over 27 sec. Must remain seated while eating. Also increases your Intellect by 10 for 10 min
It's not the health it's the 10 extra intellect.
I would love to see a fully buffed bar..... or bars....
i dont think all the +10 stats for 10 min are worth the efford you put in as a pally, we pretty much are unable to run oom already
Warriors:
Major Troll's Bloods
Elixer of Mongoose
Major trolls blood could be useful for dps, but for tanks it would be just a waste tbh, the reason is quite simple:
At a bossfight for example, you have maybe 6-800 dps on you (aprox), that means about 3000-4000 health per 5 second.
Major trolls blood is 20 health per 5 second as far as I can remember :)
Just my 2 cents :)
Just a quick comment. A hunter, paladin and a rogue shouldn't need limited invulnerability pots since they will vanish, shield or feign in those situations.
I have removed them from those lists and added some of Marduk's list to Pallies. The bits I didn;t add were already there under the 'for everyone' section.
TL.
And yeah, another tip is to use Free Action potion on destroyers and the adds on Gehennas. This goes to all meleeclasses because of the downtime DPS for the rogues and the bloody impossible job for the tanks to gain aggro on these mobs without getting stunned all the time.
I know I'm spamming a lot in this thread but I'm theorycrafting way too much and just want to help you guys out :)
Added.
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;157693I have removed them from those lists and added some of Marduk's list to Pallies. The bits I didn;t add were already there under the 'for everyone' section.
TL.
Warriors - Elixer of Mongoose
It's not under bits for everyone.
I suppose one also could add the Flask of Distilled Wisdom to what the druids should bring. 2k extra mana will for shure not hurt at all :)
And it would also help to bring some Brilliant Mana Oil to increase mana regen.
Also about the health stones from locks that everybody should have: couldn't the number of those be increased to 3 (if we have all the different ones in the raid, that is)? It will at least prevent you from having to ask a lock for a new HS as soon as you've used the one you've got - a kind of a buffer.
it is becos i did not really see the point in me brining 40 runecloth bandages to mc tl :) i have been hauling 40 around for close to a year, and never get even past the first half of the first stack :P
Edit, i just signed up. Again?! i was sure i signed up but somehow i got removed from the system ... am i not welcome ? :sad:
As pointed out in another thread one of the COmmanders accidentally borked the speed run raid when closing and completing the last SOG One MC raid, hence we lost osme of the early bookings.
TL.
Quote from: Bob;157706Also about the health stones from locks that everybody should have: couldn't the number of those be increased to 3 (if we have all the different ones in the raid, that is)? It will at least prevent you from having to ask a lock for a new HS as soon as you've used the one you've got - a kind of a buffer.
mainly 1440(dilli,plight,demonchick?) 1320(asheera) 1200(jantore, strontiumdog)
you can also have those + lower level ones fex, 900
Just to confirm, pots & mats costs are down to the individual, this is meant to be a bit of fun and if you want to be part of the fastest run ever done by an Aszune Guild then it's the preparation that you need to be ready to make!
TL.
Mageblood Potion should be added to the Priest list, 2 or 3 pieces.
But really if youre good geared and know how to heal, with those mana buffs, Distilled Wisdom is overkill. i simply cannot use that much mana.
Concerning the mana Pots. 20 is a bit to much but ye its good to be prepared.
Ill also recommend priests to get the Blasted Lands Spirit or Int buff. or even spend G's on 3 Bijous for the Zanadalar+50 Stam and +50 Spirit. i know i will. its just way better than invul pots :) and mana regen even.
Oh on the health stones. Remeber we locks can only carry as many soulshards as we have room for in inventory. I know we can get new ones inside MC but still. Don't waste it unless u absolutely need it.
Oh and for locks it would be better to have health potions instead of mana potions. Since our life tap converts more health to mana, then the mana potion gives.
JT
Quote from: Luthor;157815Mageblood Potion should be added to the Priest list, 2 or 3 pieces.
But really if youre good geared and know how to heal, with those mana buffs, Distilled Wisdom is overkill. i simply cannot use that much mana.
Concerning the mana Pots. 20 is a bit to much but ye its good to be prepared.
Ill also recommend priests to get the Blasted Lands Spirit or Int buff. or even spend G's on 3 Bijous for the Zanadalar+50 Stam and +50 Spirit. i know i will. its just way better than invul pots :) and mana regen even.
You only need 1 bijou :) Or, you need a token but you get one from the bijou ;P
Quote from: jantore;157824Oh on the health stones. Remeber we locks can only carry as many soulshards as we have room for in inventory. I know we can get new ones inside MC but still. Don't waste it unless u absolutely need it.
In that case it could perhaps be smart to meet up a bit before the raid (in SG for instance), so that the locks could supply all raid members with as many HSs as possible, and than we can also help you grind some more mobs so that you can enter the instance with a full bag of shards :)
Well im canceling signup.. no way i can afford that!
Sorry, Yrthal, this is not going to be cheap, we know that, but then it's going to be a speed record.
As an aside, the Field marshalls in principle are considering sharing out to all members of the speed run the sale proceeds of nexus crsytals or BOEs from the run to offset mats/pots costs.
TL.
Arh oki... what do i know :P never bought one.
You prolly missed my thread. but Mageblood potion on Priests List. 2 or 3 pieces.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;157894Sorry, Yrthal, this is not going to be cheap, we know that, but then it's going to be a speed record.
As an aside, the Field marshalls in principle are considering sharing out to all members of the speed run the sale proceeds of nexus crsytals or BOEs from the run to offset mats/pots costs.
TL.
Aye know... could just been fun... but ill wait to next time when we are trying to break the record again :D just maby at the time we will be 25 man with T4 :P
Hmmm... Raid cap isnt reduced when BC lands, in current 40 man instances. as far im aware.... so 40 people in T4.
firewater and giants potions do stack, just not the size increase.
I can also make the elemental sharpening stone, so let me know.
How are we going to predict the onyxia/zandalar buff ? and what about the burning steppes buffs?
I will respect my priest back to Holy/Disp for this run and buy all mats required as my warrior will be in Wednesdays run.
If anyone lack Flask of the Titans, I actually got 5 spare, just gimme a whisper and I can hand em out free of charge. :) I give prio to your tanks ofc, I know how hard it is to grind cash for flasks as tankspec ;P
Quote from: DarkAngel;158166I will respect my priest back to Holy/Disp for this run .....
How much respect does it take to make a priest do that? :narnar:
Luna and I are doing a Flask making run into BWL (which RG1 cleared last night), so if you want any flasks made up please shout in game early this evening.
TL.
Well, I've got all the prep stuff done and got a bag and a bit of stuff ready to go for Sunday.
I'm off to respec to frost for this run, hopefully the other Mages are doing this too (I know Kreuz is).
TL.
And remember to be in SW Sudnay at 1900 hrs as I am handing in [item]Head of Onyxia[/item].
We have a Zandalaar buff available too - anyone know if they stack?
TL.
all world buffs stack
Woot, in which case we should be in STV on the island at 18.55 for the Zandalaar buff, then portal to SW for 19.00 for the Ony buff, then go direct to MC.
TL.
Will anyone be around sat afternoon to run with me to BWL to grab a flask of titans if i bring mats?
*hugs Marduk*
Quote from: Umbra;159429Will anyone be around sat afternoon to run with me to BWL to grab a flask of titans if i bring mats?
*hugs Marduk*
If it dont get me saved I can.
Easier solution - send the flask of titans mats to Guildybankee and I'll mail one back to you ready made.
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;159417Woot, in which case we should be in STV on the island at 18.55 for the Zandalaar buff, then portal to SW for 19.00 for the Ony buff, then go direct to MC.
Perhaps we even should be on the island a bit earlier, so we there can do all the handing out of health stones from locks, water/food from mages, getting folks the last enchants they need, and so on?
Just so we don't have to waste time doing that after we've entered MC - since we want to maximise the time that we have the buffs :)
A sound proposal, now all that's left to do is inform and persude 40 separate people to be there early.
See you there.
TL.
oh btw, for dps warrs? rogues? get blessed sunfruit, 10str for 10min, stacks with other stuff.
jsut in case it helps, here is what I have for the run:
23 Major healing pots
1 flask of titans
5 gift of arthas
3 greater fire prot pots
8 winterfall firewater
5 elixir of giants
5 elixir of mongoose
14 elemental sharp. stone
40 blessed sunfruit
4 major trolls blood potions
5 free action potion
40 heavy rc bandage
1 eternal quintessence
400 rockshard pellets
hope i havent missed anything