Unlike others i am not leaving because of real life.
I have been thinking of this for ages. . . .this is mostly over 1 loot, CTS, which Soulbringerx got, but as i raided more i found out loots getting handed out just . . .unnaceptable.
When Soul got his CTS, i /w him a few times, asking why he wanted it, he said because of the stats. Eventhough it was 1 agi, he still wanted it, i got pretty mad of after that he said, he would give it to me . . . . only after he got it and knowing it was useless. I swallowed that down and decided not to leave.
After a few more BWL runs, CTS dropped again, i hoped for it once again, i found that Umbra got it, and similar to Soul, he said if he knew he would of passed.
The next raid, i looked around a bit in RG1 to see who else wanted it, i /w everyone i knew and some others that knew who also wanted it, rogues said they'd pass since a hunter getting it was totally rubbish, maybe they felt sorry for me, unlike alot of people. Anyway, most people said pass to me.
Today in BWL, i found out Bastet got it, i do not know why he wanted it because he is fully specced and equiped for daggers, and someone who i never thought would go for the sword, he said something cus Optical was 2nd on the list for it and thats why.
I wonder why Optical didn't pass either, because i got the dagger before it? no way, what would he do with that?
CTS? whats the point?
I am not a loot whore as anyone is thinking or /w me after i left the guild.
I wonder why would a FEW people not pass to me a sword and i /w them once before to, they don't care about the raids progress? my "good" damage which the raid respects so much, wouldn't want it to be better? Thought it might be better for themselves? who knows?
The only thing i want to point out from my leaving is that SoG really needs to change the loot system, its been an "issue" for a long time, wondering if SoG would change it because of me leaving RG1 when they are low on rogues and also a good dpser. nah i doubt it, but i certainly don't want to be in a raid group like that.
GL with looking for better rogues and GL RG1 in raids.
Been fun, and a feel i owe TL alot and thats why i never left RG1 till now.
You think, this is a one sided veiw? if u ask many rogues, if they were sword specced and wanted the sword, would they leave after a hunter got it? the answer? find out.
And of course, this is not the only reason i left, but this is really the one i want SoG to change.
Not entirely acurate, i been thinking about switching to swords for a long time, since with us spending more and more time in AQ i am finding that CP generation on daggers is very limited (satura, other similar whirly mobs) and that more and more creatures in AQ and Naxx are extremly dificult to get behind.
Now i knew you wanted this, but seeing that you got a epic bwl claw, and dagger, and there being several more ppl intrested in the weapon, i figured there was no harm in me going for it.
Woo, lets ho back to Priority on loot and loose half our druids and paladins :rolleyes:
Though I do see this a great failure to communicate. If there is stuff you want that badly, you would actually be well off letting ppl know. That is how Gorion got Thunderfury even. Squeeky wheel and so on. And also see the post above; Bastet has actually talked about this for quite a while.
I must say it is greatly dissapointing to see you leave. Giving up on the entire group because of one sword. Is the sence of belonging really that bad amongs the Rogues?
A suggestion about the loot thing.
I know alot of guilds have a channel . . where we have channel such as /sogdruids or something . . you could have a channel like "SoGloot" and in that channel u say 2 things ; what your after, and why u need it.
E.G
Nefarion has dropped asscandy. At the moemnt it would kind of be like this.
Whisper "Vargen for asscandy"
/w vargen gief asscandy
/w vargen GIEF ASSCANDY
GIEF asscandy
Lolladin has top dkp so wins.
The sit im talking about would go like this.
"Whisper Vargen for asscandy"
/w vargen gief sword
/channel SoGloot : Sword, raid use/pvp
/w vargen gief sword
/channel SoGloot : Sword raid use, major upgrade
***** LOLLADIN SEES DPS WARRIOR WANTS ITEM*******
/t vargen cancel bid, warrior want item.
/channel SoGLoot: Passing sword for dps warrior, he'd get more use out of
Basically, its just a way of knowing WHO gets what loot. . so you wont ever get the possible "I woulda passed :/ but i didnt know u wanted it"
And you'll also find your friends will pass to you.
***warning . . common sense needed ***
Its just what alot of guilds use these days tbh.
Quote from: Keisuke;158022Unlike others i am not leaving because of real life.
I wonder why Optical didn't pass either, because i got the dagger before it? no way, what would he do with that?
CTS? whats the point?
:doh:
Well my point is that i can dual wield to get more agro on bosses like (Chromaggus and Neferarian) I still dont have a good Off-hand i passed CTS 2times before for people that could really use it upgrade from blue to purple
As Vael dropped a nice dps off-hand aswell i passed it for you so my point in this is why you want 2 off-hands i only want a off-hand to dual wield en get much more agro building.. :g:
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And above here i didnt even talked about a respec to fury or arms now we have like 7warriors attended
keisuke sorry to see you leave but is it worth it ?????
First of i want to repeat what vargen said about leaving because of loot. Loot is way too overrated and it isn´t a veary good reason to leave but i wish you the best of luck in what ever you are going to do now.
Secondly there is absolutely no reason to not have a priority system. Seriously you can´t expect people to be considerate when talking about items since very few actually know what every class want from loot and it can be diffrent from person to person. I have seen some loot thoughts from people in this guild that i think might even be worse then a hunter with thunderfury. And most people don´t think would this thing be better for me or other class, they think this gives me more of this and this. I want it.
Now people that talk about why there shouldn´t be a priority always mention pallies and druids. First of a Paladin and a Druid will only need the questionable loot for Grinding or PvP. You do not need a Askhandi to grind anywhere in this game and it will barely speed up your grinding. For PvP you should already be in Healing gear as a Paladin and you can easily survive with tier1 Epics that you picked up after everyone that needed the loot for Raiding has gotten their items. I mean seriously how many weapons are DEed because nooone needs them?
Now you people complain about not getting some of the best items in the game while other people are running around in blues and are happy that they got a good blue upgrade. And if you really think you need better gear to PvP then you should rather look up tactics for PvP or a better group cause most of the people that PvP alot are running around with Blues and maybe some epics gotten from PvP.
Torir: There is no reason for a own channel just for loot, You already have a raid chat that can be used for it and even better, you whisper the ML i want this but pass to "insert class/es". I have always done this if i think another class needs it more and people should already be doing this and i think some people do.
Now lets lastly compare 2 items, The CTS and the BB. Now a hunter should easily have gotten BB in RG1 before the group stopped raiding MC without taking it from a Rogue that wanted it. It isn´t really worth looking at it from a hunters point of view since a rogue gets more out of the stats then the hunter( About the same AP beacause both have the same STR and AGI and rogues get more crit from Agi then the hunter). Read the conclusion if you are to bored by the couple of numbers inbetween the items.
Binds when picked up
Unique One-Hand Sword
90 - 168 Damage Speed 2.50
(51.6 damage per second)
+9 Strength
+9 Agility
Requires Level 60 Equip:
Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%. (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?wspell=7597)
Now a Rogue with about 1500AP Raid buffed with BB in main hand has an average white hit(no crits) 264 now with 30% crit that is about 343 Average white hit only with MH or 164DPS(this is with SnD up at all times and hit on all attacks). Now this will be about 75% of his White DPS and White DPS is 50% of his total DPS. So he should have about 404DPS. Now this will fall to about 350DPS i would think because of misses, running around .
Now the other item
Chromatically Tempered Sword
Binds when picked up
Unique One-Hand Sword
106 - 198 Damage Speed 2.60
(58.5 damage per second)
+14 Agility
+14 Strength
+7 Stamina
Requires Level 60
A Rogue gets 386Damage average per white hit with CTS with same stats as in the BB section(with Crits). Now this is about 178DPS with SnD up. So that is about 445DPS total. So a Rogue not only gets more out of the stats on the blade but he gets about 40DPS increase from the blade itself. Just to show you the diffrence even better lets look at a 10minute boss fight, The rogues damage would increase 24000. I am not sure how much that would be in % of a bosses health but taking Patchwerk as an example it would be about 0.8% of his health i think. This works the same way and the Upgrade from Rhok Delar to the Crossbow from Chromaggus would possibly be bigger then the upgrade i took as an example here.
Now how many 1% wipes have you seen? Or even better the same example just 5 that didn´t get the item because a lesser needing class got the item, how many sub 5% wipes have you seen?
Optical: CTS is the Best Main hand sword for a rogue until Naxxramas(AQ has one that is about the same)
Edit: Sorry the AQR is better but not by much
You swallowed it down cause i know it was useless??? come on keisuke step of ur little mountain ur living on m8, you don't know jack **** from what i'm thinking! I even was so kind to make a ticket to give you the weapon, wich i regret when i read this!
Sry to see ya leave Keisuke, no matter the reason :byesad:
Must say Im with Drazilla on this *ducks and hides*
Quote from: Keisuke;158022I have been thinking of this for ages. . . .
Ehhh didn't you just joined the guild? Stats show 9th of July, not very long....
This discussion was lately on the forum for RG2 also a rogue hunter thing..... he decided to stay which I appreciate. And like then told, save the dkp so you can obtain it.....BWL is in farm status for RG1.....you'll probably see it drop a couple of time....that is if you stayed ofc...
And why does it have to be that you need to leave the guild for it.....within 6 weeks we'll have TBC coming out, new weapons with jewel crafting etc...I bet there will be a better weapon then.........
To reply on torir and his idea of of a Sogloot channel.
i think this aint that bad for an idea :)
not just to filter out "minor improvements" over "lifelong dream" but also to see what your odds are on the item next time.
say i want a rejuvenating gem, and i know im not top dkp
i know this because i spend lots of dkp on "loladin kit" so the true healers will have more dkp then myself wich is only fair
but i would like to see how many players are still in front of me
also with this channel you could link the item you are switching it for
for instance, spam loot +30 agi ring
rogue one, links a +25 agi ring
loladin , links a20 agi ring
hunter, links a +26 agi ring
rogue two, links a +11 agi ring he had since the 5 man instances
this would be an improvement to all, and the loladin or rogue one might be on top, but it would be the biggest improvement for the rogue two.
this would also route out those backtalk things like,
ooh you wanted it? i thought you had a decent one already, i would have passed if i knew your ring was that lame oh well better luck next time
Well, i only took the dagger because i see no point in DEing the dagger. If it was possible, i would of passed the dagger to u if i could of gotten the sword but no. ain't possible.
Since my leave woulddn't make a difference in the loot system i think my i will have no regrets in leaving the guild. True the sword in AQ40 would of been nice to, but im not gonna lose that to and the same thing would happen to any other "weapon" i want.
Again, why don't u use the Bid dkp system, u say its slow? if i had the CTS it would improve god knows how much damage. sure it might be slow while bidding but if it went to someone else, it wouldn't of been a good improvement.
And Bastet, dagger rogues are much better in instances, If u had the chance to get the armament and get the dagger? wouldn't that be better of in your hands? and better then CTS? And if i had Perds and DFB i would never of wanted CTS.
Im so tired of seeing people leave the guild due to loot. The loot is a bonus for which you play, and if you dont get it first time, you'll get it next time
If people are really willing to leave the guild due to loot, i encourage them to do so, since they might not be fit for the Teamwork in SOG anyways
Agree with padding here! And from what i see Keisuke the only one who benefits the CTS is you? Strange thinking if you ask me.
QuoteThe only thing i want to point out from my leaving is that SoG really needs to change the loot system, its been an "issue" for a long time, wondering if SoG would change it because of me leaving RG1 when they are low on rogues and also a good dpser. nah i doubt it, but i certainly don't want to be in a raid group like that.
Why change something that works so good? The only flaws i've seen has been from players. Sucks to loose the loot, even worse from you're side leaving because you didnt get a sword. Sure, it sucks loosing loot, im pretty sure we've all seen it happen, we all need loot. But hey, if you leave because you didnt get loot, maybe sog isnt the guild for you? Harsh, yes. But try to reformulate what you just said, imo i just broke it down.
Quote from: Neff;158082Why change something that works so good? The only flaws i've seen has been from players.
Well if it has that flaw it isn't neccesarily that good.. there are 40 ppl in a Raid and thats 40 ppl with somewhat different thoughts about who needs what, when and why.. But then again, this is a discussion which have been brought up, ended and revived quite a lot of times no matter what loot-system is used. The day pigs can fly (and no pig-tossing doesn't count here :narnar: ) someone might be able to invent a system without flaws and with 40 ppl all saying 'yay, great system', but I can't see that happening.
RG1 is functioning fine atm with the current system, altho some ppl aint happy about it, most ppl accept it.
I kinda understand Keisukes frustration as he've wanted that sword for a long time and lots of others have been in front of him. Not saying thats a good reason for leaving, just saying I understand his frustration.
@ Daedaleus: Yes he is new (altho not that new, which imho, doesn't matter wether you are or not), and yes he can save DKP.. He has saved DKP, but as he is new he got a lot of catching up to do.. and I don't think you can compare the rogue-thingy from RG2 to this one (how similar they might be) as the two raid-groups doesn't, afaik, use the same system.. Saving DKP is ofc the way to go, but the RG1 system is built more up around the ppl's common sense than the DKP..
Anyways as Im lousy at getting my oppinion out correctly Ill just stop here and hope you get my point. I understand both sides in this discussion.. Im trying to keep myself neutral, I just don't like flaming no matter the reasons (with Huntyoudown as an exception)..
great system, many ppl, many oppinions..
Last time this discussion was up I think it ended with a tie, so I believe it well end like that again.. Leave it, say bye to Keisuke and move on.. Thats what I would recommend.. Flaming gets you nowhere :huggy:
I agree with Nefertem, all this is getting to is, saying all newcomers are not allowed for "proper" loot since there is no way of them getting more dkp then the older members, then whats the point?
What most of u are saying, u should join for the fun of the raid? yes, that mostly it but u really think newcomers would join for that or is it just for class based loots that they joined?
After they have there class loots, they would know that there is no way for them to get the rest of the good loots because they would be lower on dkp then most of the raid so . . . they would leave since SoG is the only raid group on the server using this system. And using this advantage of epics and teir 2, they would easily get into other guilds.
So, maybe u get lucky getting a few members which don't mind for a bit but, u cannot honestly think u would be able to keep a stable raid group.
Come on Keisuke,
you will get better loot.....no need to leave for loot..... communication is the key.....
Leaving will not change the loot thing as you say, so stay and make a difference..... that's dedication.
here wee go again.... omg :thumbsdown:
Rogues complaining about hunters stealing loot. Paladins complaining about warriors getting their loot. Warriors complaining about everybody else stealing their loot, and lately we have people quitting the guild because of rogues stealing rogue loot ?!?!?! :g:
If there is 40 people in the raid, there is AT LEAST 40 different opinions about who should get what loot, when and why. To leave the guild based on your own opinion on the loot is both immature and egoistic.
Being in SOG is a Teamwork effort and that should mean that you should be considerate about what other people want, and at least try to talk to the guild members before just doing /gquit
I cant stress this enough.... LOOT IS BONUS and should NOT be base for your performance in the guild and even though you dont get exactly what you want, when you want it, you should try to make an effort to see things from the other persons sides in the guild. Thats the least you can do
I some what agree with Keisuke here. It IS about the loot. It IS about improving your character and /flex in IF afterwards! :norty:
And no the loot is not the bonus- it is the objective! Would you dedicate 3 nights a week to down bosses that only drops G?
Please stop being so god damn self-righteous! Padding I remember how you moaned when Deadalus got the Red Dragonscale Protector. :eyebrow:
Another thing is to leave because you do not get the loot you desire. Yes it may be frustrating. Will it drop again? (rhetorical)
People keep posting these complaints on the forums because they arent satisfied with the current system. Some leave some gets it out of their system and moves on. IMO you made the wrong choice here Keisuke.
I think:
1) If you are not first on DKP, you cannot expect to get the loot.
2) Making lootchannels etc whatever might make the occational hunter that wants a "rogue" sword NOT bid on it because he/she knows ppl will make a scene over it.
DKP is KING!
Everything else is just ppl being super kind and passing or you being super lucky.
Stop the moan, save your dkp for the stuff you want. Nothing is free.
Quote from: Adularena;158111Nothing is free.
Gib free air!! Im wanna breath :wink:
QuoteI remember how you moaned when Deadalus got the Red Dragonscale Protector
That's a joke. I'm not that loot focused. I just find it weird that we never gotten this drop ever
The DKP will always be flawed. thats why the officers already have taken improvements to the system, in the shape of separate DKP pools.
Quote from: Nefrion;158110I some what agree with Keisuke here. It IS about the loot. It IS about improving your character and /flex in IF afterwards! :norty:
No it isent... thats just LAME!
I aswell as others have been trying to improve and passed stuff to others. But when i realy want an items why dont others pass?
Well they have more dkp they have earned it themselve, so why bother?
Ever since i started raiding there has been some certains things i have been wanting for a long time, and what i think that can suite a warrior more then a pally, it goes to a pally due to dkp?
Pally's like warriors can use plate and do dsp, if they need it there must be a reason, like in this situation where bastet needed the sword.
Again i cant belive that peopple get mad or /gquit just because an item. Why cant you just be happy that you'r commrade got the upgrade and wait for it to drop again!?
Quote from: Yrthal;158122Why cant you just be happy that you'r commrade got the upgrade and wait for it to drop again!?
In by far the most cases that is also what happens, but sometimes some people feels passed by one time to many a gets enough, as was the case with Keisuke I suppose
Dont get me wrong here. It IS about the loot! Thats what your post was all about Yrthal- wanting loot.
Another thing is if you are getting mad if you do not get what you want or think is rightfully yours. Now THAT is LAME!
Quote from: Nefrion;158127Another thing is if you are getting mad if you do not get what you want or think is rightfully yours. Now THAT is LAME!
Well.. who is to decide what items is right for who? People got different oppinions about which items are 'rightfully' who's, and thats where it sometimes goes wrong..
As long it isn't class loot all can go for it.......I myself always skip on + to healing and damage.....as it is for casters, but that's just me.
And tbh SoG isn't the only guild that uses this dkp systen....
Dear Keisuke (and other people that wanna leave/will leave in the future cuz of loot) i'm sorry to hear that your leaving, but i think its lame, selfish and most off all foolish of you (all).
First of all, if someone has more dkp then you, that means he was there longer then you, he/she probly wiped more, spend lots of more time, and spend a fortune on repairs, wich you don't have to do anymore to start at the same point sog is now. So your lucky that u don't have to spend all that time/frustration/gold anymore. So imo it makes sence they get prio, they did more to the raid your in now.
Second, we sog have a seperate dkp totals for diffirent instances, and you do know that blizzard makes new instances and new loot all the time. So if ur really lower on bwl and a little behind aq dkp, you'll be almost equal on naxxramas (they haven't done that so much, so they haven't earned much dkp, so its logical you'll get as much rights to get good loot), and equal (ignoreing ur attendance to make it easier) to new instances so you get better loot there anyways, just takes time.
Seems logical to me that its most fair that the once last in line gets lowest prio (exceptions can be made ofc)
So patience is one key and logic and common sence is an other.
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Now to make a comment on that bidding system. This system is even worse then we use. example 1 (disregarding the time loss):
rogue A wants dagger 1
rogue B with lower dkp wants dagger 1
rogue C with lowest dkp (and with dream) wants dagger 1
rogue A bids 50, rogue B bids 55 rogue c 60 then this goes on till rogue c bids a really large amounth of dkp and A and B passes.
Then this rogue has its dream item but has no dkp, so he looses all chances on other items that might improve himself alot more, and with that weakens the raid a little.
few weeks later dagger2 drops rogue B thinks its not that good and won't bid so high, so A wins. then couple weeks later dagger 1 drops, and C has it, A doesn't want it since he has good dagger allready and wants to save for a ring 1, so rogue B gets it for a "bargin".
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example 2:
rogue A, B & C have tier 2, but since rogue B has to leave wow cuz of irl problems, they have to find a new rogue, rogue D. Since A & C have full tier 2 there won't be a battle over tier 2 pieces so rogue D will get it for a "baring"
then this means rogue D has less dkp spend for the same tier 2 so he has more dkp left for rings/trinkets/cloak etc.
Now if there is a hunter C wich is in guild longer then D but has less dkp since he had to "bid" higher dkp on his tier 2, then rogue D has more chance on getting it since C will need it to bid on hunter wapons or so againt other hunters.
imo that aint fair since he has done more for the guild then the new joined rogue D
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at Marduk yes its improving the raid, but is it as fair against the other who has been in the raid for ages? and giving good gear to new joineds can atract loot whores, since they see their own bad ring, and a guild who hands out good rings to the people with bad rings ;) so in a perfect world it would have been a really good idea, but since there are always rotten players, you better not do it, cuz whats the point of giving good epics to greedy people who leave guild over an other item, i gradder see those items go to loyal players who are and will stay in raid/guild for a long time.
just ma 2 cents
i thank you for your time, best luck in other guild, hope you'll be more happy there, but i think thats not gonna happen since lots of guilds are far worse in distibuting epix.
1) having a clean loot channel would be nice, it might work in raid chat but it's too easy to miss it, and yes it would help GREATLY if people could see who else wants an item.
2) even if you do know who else wants it sometimes you think it's your turn, f.ex. I had passed on that sword >3 times for a rogue, so I thought it's my turn to have an upgrade. but really if you look at the dkp of the people who get the items it's be cause of 2 things
a) it's not just a number, it means they have worked their a$$es off in there, so they have earned it, I've said this before. You may think your class should get it, but if someone else has far greater dkp then they have earned it, if they pass it to a rogue or 2 then it's because they are being kind, this does not mean they should be expected to continue doing so.
b) they are careful about where they spend their dkp, bastet hasn't had a wep upgrade for *ages* and yet has been to about 100% of raids?
Don't begrudge someone something when they have spent more time and more care of their dkp.
Kei, you're not a bad bloke you shouldn't let this get to you, how would you have felt if you had continued to raid and in 6 months time a relatively new member came in and was given the CTS? that's how it would be if you got it when some of the older people wanted it. Seriously , no disrespect or meanness intended but why do you think you deserve it more than a rogue who has spent far far more time and money and effort in the raids? Maybe it was a nasty shock because each time it seems you have a chance at it some veteran seems to decide to take it on a whim like a nasty joke? I can assure you it's not like that at all. You have to keep raiding, keep waiting, earning those points. You would probably have got it in the next few weeks anyway, either that or TBC would give you something lovely anyway. the only thing leaving would so is try and make a statement, but the only statement it makes isn't positive.
RG1 is a team, you shouldn't think of things like 'i need it more' or 'they should pass to me'
Taking the dagger was a bad move tho, not only does it use your dkp, it says to everyone else in the raid 'I wanted this' and implies you don't really want the sword too much.
*hugs* to you tho really, I've always been low on warr dkp since I party too much so usually I have to bribe dajo and gorion with pimped girls, and opti with pimped boys to get something before them, and sometimes it seems silly if a warr had like 5 swords when I still only had 1 good one (DualWield) but as long as they will be using it it's all good. Patience is a virtue, c'mon,, kiss and make up
why do we have this discusion on a weekly basis now?
the rules are fine as they are. You either save up your dkp for the items you realy want (like some one ever gets more dkp then bastet).
ore you just dont set up your mind for a item.
(think of it. why sould some one that DID save up his dkp pass a item he probely realy wants for you? the one in this time with less dkp. WOULD YOU PASS A ITEM YOU REALY WANTED AND SAVED YOU DKP FOR? )
can we please stop whinning about the loot rules? they are here they are good and the make live easyer
Few things I wanna say:
1. DKP is DKP yes, but some as you guys say, we are a TEAM, and a TEAM watches out for each other, so
2. it would be indeed nice to have a channel for loot, I whispered this idea some time ago to Bastet too, so you can see who want's what, and then consider if you still want it or pass it to the other player.
3. This game is about fun, teamplay AND LOOT, you can say it's not but do you want to play this game for 1,5 years in the same greenies as when you turned 60? No I didnt think so, this game coveres alot of different things and one of them is, yes, getting yourself upgraded. So saying it's not about loot at all is stupid.
4. I understand why someone would leave if he didnt got something he really really really wanted, loosing it time after time after time. I myself am not the person who would do this, I would never leave because of an item, but I'm only saying I understand him.
5. Too bad you left Keisuke, I will miss you alot man, you were a nice bloke, fun to talk too, and you did ALOT of DPS...everyone is replaceable but we won't find such a good rogue as you anytime soon mate.
I hope you will have a great time with whatever you are going to to, and me sure to whisper me once in a while.
Respect to you.
Dajo
Quote from: Dajo;1581584. I understand why someone would leave if he didnt got something he really really really wanted, loosing it time after time after time. I myself am not the person who would do this, I would never leave because of an item, but I'm only saying I understand him.
04/25/06 Dalto Chromatically Tempered Sword (Earned: 2834.00)
09/17/06 Umbra Chromatically Tempered Sword (Earned: 7191.50)
07/23/06 Incentos Chromatically Tempered Sword (Earned: 5457.00)
10/22/06 Bastet Chromatically Tempered Sword (Earned: 10938.00)
09/03/06 Soulbringerx Chromatically Tempered Sword (Earned: 6885.00)
Keisuke - Earned: 4008.00 - Lifetime (07/09/06 - 10/22/06)
Ok, now pick which one didn't deserve it.
Since you are quoting me, I'll reply to this, I didnt say anyone of these guys didn't deserve it, was talking about it in general.
Quote from: Vargen;158031If there is stuff you want that badly, you would actually be well off letting ppl know. That is how Gorion got Thunderfury even. Squeeky wheel and so on.
one big squeeky wheel if i might add :P
Quote from: Keisuke;158070Well, i only took the dagger because i see no point in DEing the dagger. If it was possible, i would of passed the dagger to u if i could of gotten the sword but no. ain't possible.
you know... 2 warriors including me passed that dagger cos you wanted it, so it wasnt gonna get DEed.
leaving a guild cos you dont get that item you really want is bullcrap, cos in the end its 1 item. sure, youde have been furious.. but that aint no excuse.
well, cya
I'm not gonna get involved in this loot discussion - it's something that we seem to have gotten on a regular basis lately :eyebrow:
Only wanna say that I think it's sad to see you leave Keisuke - especially over such a reason :byesad:
I'm getting tired of this, we all knew the rules when we started raiding if you can't deal with that then don't start raiding.
For the people that leave, its going to mean that you will never get the item you want, or if you join another guild then you will be at the bottom of their dkp list and have to wait even longer.....silly.