http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7075
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hmm.. Sounds like Microsoft wanna earn a few more pennies :g:
Sounds like Microsoft want to lose a load of customers. :angry:
a good time for a company to take linux the next step and make it into a viable option for those not wanting to have to type in complicated commands! Under a different name too perhaps, so people don't think of it as "linux" and get scared? What're the chances of games working properly with XP once vista is out though...:eyebrow:
I was not to keen on Vista to begin with.. buying Vista was something I just had to do when the time comes... now I am not so sure. I upgrade less compared to you guys, but nonetheless that still means my Vista would be valid for maybe a year. Besides Linux, are there any sensible choices? BeOS and such, are there any apps for them?
Games are "fitted" for Windows, therefore windows wins. Never tried anything but windows, kinda like it too, because mine never crashes :blink: but if there is something alternate (free, linux is free right?) that makes windows "pay". I would've had it if i could play any games on it ;p
looks to me like bill gates is STILL trying to compensate all the bullying he must have recieved in high school but trying to bully the world!:ranting2:
At the lan i changed an old cd drive to a shiny new cdrw that i won for winning the deagle tourney. Anyway i rebooted windows and it asked that i should re register windows as i had made a significant change to my computer. Well i'm just confused as surely if the below is true i might not be able to keep using it as it would be classed as a major computer upgrade
QuoteThe first of those new conditions prevents the user of any Vista retail version from carrying the OS through two major PC upgrades. You will be able to migrate Vista once to a new PC but not from that PC to another.
Remember these could be exaggerations that are being leaked but due to so many cracks etc for windows xp maybe microsoft want to squeeze as much money out of vista as they possibly can.
Also how about when we need to reformat our pc's? If theres a limit wouldn't that be unfair?
GMJR:
Did you try cleaning your windows?
(http://www.greenclean.ltd.uk/images/windowclean.jpg)
On topic: I did read that there would be some sort of Linux-based program, I'll try looking it up.
Quote from: GhostMjr;158447At the lan i changed an old cd drive to a shiny new cdrw that i won for winning the deagle tourney. Anyway i rebooted windows and it asked that i should re register windows as i had made a significant change to my computer. Well i'm just confused as surely if the below is true i might not be able to keep using it as it would be classed as a major computer upgrade?
Even worse. I use a volume licence version of XP Pro, supplied by work, so I can't talk about registering *Windows*, but:
About a month back my motherbaord blew up. Such things *do* happen. Electronics can be faulty, and fragile. I bought a new motherboard. Not a different vendor, not even a different model. A goddamn *identical* motherboard. It even (though I will admit this is probably more chance than anything else) had the same BIOS revision.
And Norton Antivirus popped up a message once it was installed. 'This copy of Norton Antivirus is only licenced for up to 2 machines. Please visit www.blah.com (http://www.blah.com) to purchase additional licences, until which time Norton Antivirus will be disabled on this computer'.
Changing just the mobo, for an identical one, convinced the system that the entire machine was new.
It now runs AVG Free :D
And what about if I want to sell my computer on, 2nd hand, but not the OS? Can I deauthorise my PC, so that the Vista install stops working and my validation key becomes valid for further installs? If the PC does blow up, as outlined above, can I go online somewhere, log in using a username and password linked to my key, and deauthorise the dead PC *that* way? If this is the case, I will be far less bothered about all this than i am at the moment.
Microsoft seem to think that everyone will just shut up, do what they say, and buy Vista when it comes out. I honestly think they're going to be sorry.
People are either going to switch to dodgy copies of Vista they get off the internet, or stay with Windows XP.
The only alternatives are to use Linux ans wave goodbye to PC computer gaming, get an Apple, or never upgrade your computer :doh:
What's wrong with using W2K? In fact I've only just upgraded from W98 to W2K on my old PC and it is running fine. It'll probably stay as a W2K box.
What benefit does Vista give over XP? Will it make me play better?:dribble:
Quote from: Barley;158567The only alternatives are to use Linux ans wave goodbye to PC computer gaming, get an Apple, or never upgrade your computer :doh:
Quote from: Neff;158376Games are "fitted" for Windows, therefore windows wins. Never tried anything but windows, kinda like it too, because mine never crashes :blink: but if there is something alternate (free, linux is free right?) that makes windows "pay". I would've had it if i could play any games on it ;p
Not actually accurat, Linux fully support OpenGL, and there are projects going that is converting D3D calls to OpenGL calls, allowing you to play many (altho not all) games on Linux. Transgaming w/ Cedega (http://www.transgaming.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=2&meid=-1) and CrossOver Office (http://www.codeweavers.com/home/) are both such products. They are not free, but are cheaper than Vista Home Basic. But if you dont mind tinkering abit, wine (which is free) does the same, but with more tinkering.
MS are shooting themselfe in the foot, not releasing it befor christmas, and thus not getting the christmas sale as preinstalled on new computers. AND they are setting the prices way high. Caus if you need the ultimat ed. if will sett you back a good 300£. And that will hopefully be the the last push up the hill for the many corporations that are thinking of moving to Linux, but yet hasnt.
On topic, MS cant be serious about this... Computer enthusiasts, WILL buy a new graphics card, a new mobo, and generally buy new hardware a couple a times a year. If this is considered a major computer upgrade by MS, will it mean that many will have to buy more licenses to Vista? Not worth it... Those who emptied their pockets buying a legit XP lisence, will more likely download a bend copy of Vista..
I found the reply on the forum I was on about:
http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/news/comments/gaming_in_windows_vista/
QuoteYes M$ is trying, once again, to constrain users’ gaming experiences. However, this was interesting from the Linux 2006 WINE Conference:
Direct3D10, which will ship with Windows Vista in a few months, doesn’t seem to be a large cause for concern. At first glance it appears to be more of an evolutionary change rather than revolutionary. New shader support will be needed, but extending ours once OpenGL supports it should be pretty easy. Stefan mentioned Microsoft is currently offering a lot of incentives for Windows developers who develop D3D10-only games since they’ll only be usable on Vista - there’s no plan to backport D3D10 to XP. Dan Kegel asked if that means we should port Wine’s forthcoming D3D10 implementation to Windows, which would be relatively easy when we switch to WGL.
It sounds like WINE, if not CrossOver, will allow at least some of the new games to be played on alternative formats. Much to the chagrin of M$ execs I sure.
Quote from: Carr0t;158500And what about if I want to sell my computer on, 2nd hand, but not the OS? Can I deauthorise my PC, so that the Vista install stops working and my validation key becomes valid for further installs? If the PC does blow up, as outlined above, can I go online somewhere, log in using a username and password linked to my key, and deauthorise the dead PC *that* way? If this is the case, I will be far less bothered about all this than i am at the moment.
I think that is a good point. The de facto result is that the license you buy has no resell-value at all. So if you upgrade the hardware in a rendering farm for the 3rd time you have to renew your OS licenses? That should reduce the times companies ugprades hardware... and I doubt the hardware manufacturers are happy about that.
Is it really legal to limit the use of a piece of software by how much you change the hardware it runs on...?
This will be of a nuisance to any person who likes to play games. Considering how fast hardware gets outdated even the standard consumer would like to upgrade sooner or later. Considering how gaming has become a mainstream thing this would have enormous impact imho.
Quote from: Sn00ks;158816What's wrong with using W2K? In fact I've only just upgraded from W98 to W2K on my old PC and it is running fine. It'll probably stay as a W2K box.
What benefit does Vista give over XP? Will it make me play better?:dribble:
Well Win2K will be discontinued and that means no more closing security gaps... but yes, it depends on what you use the PC for.
clarification:
Contrary to what many chose/lead to believe you can upgrade your computer with the "new Vista" licensing.
Microsoft stated that Windows Vista will not require a system re-activation unless the hard drive and one other component is changed. This means that you will be able to change CPUs, memory and graphics cards without any worry about having to re-activate with MS, either on the internet or by phone.
Should you change the hard drive and another piece of hardware - for example for a major upgrade such as a motherboard change that requires a re-installation - Microsoft will allow you to re-activate up to 10 times. You will not, however, be able to have more than one machine activated concurrently.
Should you wish to activate more than 10 times, Microsoft could choose to let you activate again at its discretion.