hello all,
i wanna explain all what is happening in rg2 about italians guys( not all):
the italian guys : Lovercraft,Brandir,True,Ubar,Donaldicky( i think Belth too)
we thoght to change the server and go to another one with 80% of
italian people, this is because :
1)some of us( not me) don't speak good english and wanna speak our language
2)we have serious problem( and i'm in it) about raid time.. start at 7 the raid is bad for all our life, and we 'd like play at 9pm, and in this server those are the times for all guilds
3)we pass all as friends so is everybody or noone
4) we have friends there we wanna play with
we should go there with also other friends of Danu and Rightouse
i'm very very sorry about this fast things without saying before, but blizzard says they will close other server this night (24 october 2006)
and this fast things hurts me because i know rg2 will be hurt, i'm very very bad feelings about this.
i can answer your questions( if you have them) till i cannot read this forum( and knowing TL this will be soon:sad: )
good like on this game, hoping guild understand this change
good fun:byebye:
and i wanna say THX to all you and in particulary to Ragefull, GD, TL and all Marshals.
A geat THX also to Deloris.. our was a few, little whisper chat, but a good feeling beetwin us:D
i will miss SoG and his friendship
:byebye: :byebye: :byebye:
Its a great shame you guys are leaving, it really seems to be at a bad point too but you cant help that hope you enjoy your new server and wish you all well.
Likewise, I wish you all the best, but at the same time decisions like this do not happen overnight and some more lead time to prepare and recruit replacements for RG2 would really have been helpful :(
See you on the flip side.......
TL.
Goodbye all of you!!! :byebye:
It has been real fun to play with you all from the very beginning! Have fun and don't forget to create an alt on aszune to talk with your italian friends that did not left! :D
GL on your new server m8, it has been fun, and thanks for the time and effort you put into it.
I might make a new noob char and come to bother you guys on that new italian server of yours :roflmao:
Saz.
I am sad to see you guys leaving :sad:
Thanks for you time and efford you all have put in RG2.
A great thanks/goodbye to Ubar for you time as Marshall, I will miss you m8 :byesad:
Well don't know how ppl rly feel, but ill tell how i feel.
I'm not gonna say good luck and i'm not happy about this desicion eventhough i should accept it, i won't.
Think is a bad excuse for leaving when we have the toughest time. I will call this "sticking the tail, between the legs".
Rg2 could/can use you support. Ubar:" 1)some of us( not me) don't speak good english and wanna speak our language". excuse again, we have ppl playing all over europe, some are bad and some are good at english, but we dont laugh at you? do we? NO, we accept who you are, and know that all cant be equaly good.
Why did you start playing here in the first place? because of friends? Fine, why leave then? You have met new friends here and done progress, haveing times where there was time for sorrow and laughter.
Lately ppl have been making (sorry the expression) LAME excuses for leaving. I know you decide yourselfe, and there isent much to do about it. but try and take some time off wow think about it.
Why leave, when ppl are going trough a tough time? why not stay and conqurer and expirience new instances together. Learn new things, good things and bad things together??
Well thats an question i dont expect ppl to awnser!
(Dno if this is gonna bring me any trouble, but needed to get it of my chest. And i'm pretty sure meny feel this way, but who dares to express him/her selfe? i dont know, but i did, may it bring whatever it comes!)
Quote from: Yrthal;158603Well don't know how ppl rly feel, but ill tell how i feel.
I'm not gonna say good luck and i'm not happy about this desicion eventhough i should accept it, i won't.
Think is a bad excuse for leaving when we have the toughest time. I will call this "sticking the tail, between the legs".
Rg2 could/can use you support. Ubar:" 1)some of us( not me) don't speak good english and wanna speak our language". excuse again, we have ppl playing all over europe, some are bad and some are good at english, but we dont laugh at you? do we? NO, we accept who you are, and know that all cant be equaly good.
Why did you start playing here in the first place? because of friends? Fine, why leave then? You have met new friends here and done progress, haveing times where there was time for sorrow and laughter.
Lately ppl have been making (sorry the expression) LAME excuses for leaving. I know you decide yourselfe, and there isent much to do about it. but try and take some time off wow think about it.
Why leave, when ppl are going trough a tough time? why not stay and conqurer and expirience new instances together. Learn new things, good things and bad things together??
Well thats an question i dont expect ppl to awnser!
(Dno if this is gonna bring me any trouble, but needed to get it of my chest. And i'm pretty sure meny feel this way, but who dares to express him/her selfe? i dont know, but i did, may it bring whatever it comes!)
Im sure many feel the same way i for one have many of the same opinions on this matter and feel upset about it and that is me putting my neck on the line!
Yhea goodluck with your epics thanks for letting us know IN TIME.
And maybe you fellows can say something to or do they leave it all up to one person......
so long.....
Gotta agree with Yrthal and OA here. Has it become a trend to leave Rg2?
Really sorry to hear this guys. Especially because it is some of our better players.
Some months ago we talked about we dont wanna be RG1's fishing pond... Well now we are just everyone elses fishing pond. Get in SoG- gear up- /gquit and find a guild that raids AQ40/Naxx.
You RG2 guys might wanna get used to the thought that we are doing ZG and AQ20 instead of MC and BWL because thats soon the level we are down to.
Marshall's do you ever feel used? Abused and just there to serve one puropose? Try my psychist station. But really. Whats been said has been said and i agree with everyone. Easy replying ftw.
lol Neff :D
But On-topic.. Yea stuff like this is not decided overnight, but then again the answer is not clear from the very beginning so telling the officers that you might leave the server might've helped, but the recruitment and such could still not have been done before it was certain (which seems to be yesterday)
@ Yrthal and the likes that agrees with his post:
I think that is the wrong 'Farewell' thread to put that load of 'feelings' out.
I know Ubar is a marshal and that SOG will be loosing a bunch of italians, but I do not consider their excuses for lame, nor is it an excuse for leaving when RG2 is suffering.
They wanna play with some friends. Sure they made some here, but if I had any RL friends I could choose em over SOG im certain.
The timing is bad, yes, but it aint their fault that blizz opened up for the transfer now and were closing it tonight..
Nowhere in his post do I see anything about joining a guild doing AQ40 and Naxx..
I mean jesus, cut the guy a slack here. I know he is a marshal and its a lot of italians moving and that it is expected of raidmembers/marshals to contribute to the guild and help with the progress and not leave.. But to be honest.. I think its crap that if ppl join SOG they would be bound for life - the everlasting subscription.
I could understand your rage if they all said they wanted more loot and a BWL-farming guild, but that just aint the case here..
He even said multiple times that he was sry about the short notice and sry about leaving..
And it aint just RG2 who is suffering.. For some reason a lot of ppl have been leaving/quitting from both raidgroups.. and... thats just to bad.. But there's nothing to be done about that.. Just take come back to the ground from that throne of yours and move on..
As I said in the beginning, I think this is not the right farewell-thread to make that post in.. I believe that Ubar is genuine here and not going to use his epics for Naxx and such..
I haven't got everything 'off my chest', but I reckon that if I continue I will become more or less unpopular among RG2 atleast, so Ill stop here and pretend that you're all saying goodbye to Ubar in a somewhat sad, nice and civilised way..
Bye Ubar and co. Have fun on the server you're moving on, and might cya on some alts on Aszune? :byebye:
Cya Guys and GL on the 'new' server.
My 2 cnts:
i agree with nefertem on this.
Quote from: Nefertem;158677@ Yrthal and the likes that agrees with his post:
I think that is the wrong 'Farewell' thread to put that load of 'feelings' out.
I know Ubar is a marshal and that SOG will be loosing a bunch of italians, but I do not consider their excuses for lame, nor is it an excuse for leaving when RG2 is suffering.
They wanna play with some friends. Sure they made some here, but if I had any RL friends I could choose em over SOG im certain.
The timing is bad, yes, but it aint their fault that blizz opened up for the transfer now and were closing it tonight..
I think its lame. Meny of my friends have offerde me place to a bigger guild with further progress. But i said No way... wanna know why?
When i joined SoG i commidet myselfe, and have an responsebility. I met some awsome ppl here and i wont leave just because of a setback. I see this as a challeng and i'm certaily gonna stay here and help it to be conqured.
Quote from: Yrthal;158717I think its lame. Meny of my friends have offerde me place to a bigger guild with further progress. But i said No way... wanna know why?
When i joined SoG i commidet myselfe, and have an responsebility. I met some awsome ppl here and i wont leave just because of a setback. I see this as a challeng and i'm certaily gonna stay here and help it to be conqured.
Ok Ill repeat myself here.. They have said nothing about joining another guild due to more progress or any setbacks, they simply wanna be with their friends who happens to be on another server..
I wouldn't leave SOG with Nef either, but that is mainly because I have been in this guild for more than 1½ year and I still love it here, but I can still understand that group.
Quote from: Yrthal;158717When i joined SoG i commidet myselfe, and have an responsebility. I met some awsome ppl here and i wont leave just because of a setback. I see this as a challeng and i'm certaily gonna stay here and help it to be conqured.
/agree
Its always easy to sit back and say 'Ill stay forever and do what it takes! One for all and all for one!!!' its kinda the same as when you're in love with some girl 'Ill love you forever! you're the only one I want.' They wanted to be with they're friends and for them progress in the game aint as important as it apparently is for some..
EDIT: the love thingy was to prove that after some time the love might go away and you'll move on.. mooove ooon.. two keywords here.. move and on..
Quote from: Nefertem;158728Its always easy to sit back and say 'Ill stay forever and do what it takes! One for all and all for one!!!' its kinda the same as when you're in love with some girl 'Ill love you forever! you're the only one I want.' They wanted to be with they're friends and for them progress in the game aint as important as it apparently is for some..
EDIT: the love thingy was to prove that after some time the love might go away and you'll move on.. mooove ooon.. two keywords here.. move and on..
Correct me if i'm wrong but i have NEVER, NEVER said that i will stay here for ever. But i certainly wont leave when were going trough a tough time.
I know Nef, maby it isent because loot and progress, but as i said meny of my friends have asked me to leave and join another guild wich in this case was with more progress, but said NO cause i feel a certain responsebility and commitment.
RL is allways important, bu no offese RL friends are RL they are near you thats why they are RL but that isent a reason to leave is it? You can still play with your friends and be a part of another community. You need to have will.
Ill take me as an example. I'm a defender and a commander. I prioritise my RL ofc. As soon as im home frome work i go and log on wow and spend my time there. I raid Monday - friday, and still have time to spend with my friends, between work, raids and weekends. its all about the Will to make time for it to work!
Yrthal we are on the same wave length.....
I still do my RL stuff, and I even skip some things in WoW but I plan WoW and RL right next to eachother..... This works fine for me..... I'm also not te type of guys that just walks away........
Now I know I cannot expect that people do the same as me, but what I can expect is that when they decide to join as Defender/Guardian you stay in the raid to help out. And when you have your gear, you still help out until everybody has his gear and you make progression. I the first loot thing I'll need is on of the 3 dragons (Firemaw/Ebonroc/Flamegor). So it will take a while for me to get better gear....... but meanwhile I'm willing to help out and gear up the new group.
Leaving is the easy way out.... I can't wait to kill Firemaw for the first time because we worked for it....... from MC al the way to Firemaw....
Well its not really their fault that we here atm are loosing more and more members and as TL said, it is not only SOG.
As I said in the first one it aint their fault that today was the last day to come to that other server.
And wth is wrong with playing with your friends? ye Im aware that you can see them in RL, but does that make it illegal to play with them in World of Warcraft? is it a crime?
It has nothing whatsoever to do with 'will' here.. This is not about making a balance between RL and WoW as I see it.. Its not like they are quitting WoW for good cos they are loosing their friends, they're simply going to another server.. They are sad to leave SOG but they've made an agreement with each others to follow through their WoW experience and I respect that.
If you got the opportunity of a lifetime you would be split between choosing the greater of two goods aswell. Ubar and Co just chose changing server as the greatest. Their last chance and they took it. If they hadn't done it now they couldn't have done it, and I don't think SOG should stand in the way for that. That is not how I wanna see SOG.
Now let me ask you.. Those friends of yours who keeps offering you spots in other guilds, what server are they on?
EDIT: just read Daedalus' post.. Jesus.. ill make it bold this time.. I they are not running away. With server-transfer closing tonight when the hell are you suggesting they tranfered?
They knew what they were getting into when they joined SOG.. Hell Ubar was a Marshal..
In all honesty, yes these kinds of things CAN be decided overnight, if you chat to a few of your mates and the feeling that a new server with more people speaking your language might be a good thing AND , note that the server migration deadline was like yesterday, it was a do or die decision.
He's not leaving because of anything in sog, he's going somewhere else for a hopefully more italian sociable atmosphere, to put it another way, he's running to something, not away from us.
It may be a bad time for you and I feel for you, raid groups have their ups and downs and it seems the downs all come at once, but would you rather he stayed, while his italian mates all went elsewhere? that would just cause resentment.
The only thing I can see here that can be cause for unhappiness is the short notice, which he tried to explain with the migration deadline, but I would hope you don't get at him for leaving at all. As I've said before, please don't alienate people and stress at them because something they do isn't what you want them to do, when they have a choice
Let the guy go where he's happiest and keep comms with a guild he got on with, it's not like he left the guild in the middle of a raid or anything. the people here have real lives and real feelings.
Of course he could have done what I did and started a new char on the server with RL mates :D
yes. YES! thank you Umbra.. Thats what I meant.. I just suck at getting it out the right way :rolleyes: Nice and plain simple :D
Quote from: Nefertem;158810Its not like they are quitting WoW for good cos they are loosing their friends, they're simply going to another server..
Now let me ask you.. Those friends of yours who keeps offering you spots in other guilds, what server are they on?
1st. what kind of frieds are they if they dont accept that you'r interests are in wow instead of football or stamplegathering. Seriosly if you so called "frieds" cant accept that your interests are focused in a game instad of some out door activity, maby concider looking for new friends.
"you are so unsocial sitting in there playing" <- meny of you have prop heard that sentence to meny times, i am sure of. Who is unsocial, i know im sitting with 39+ people every day on 3 different voice communication programs. i wont call that unsocial. Some of them are 25km away and some are more than 1000.
2nd. Well some are on Hammourouge (or what its called), some are on Frostwhisper, some on sunstrider. And meny of my friends have moved fome Aszune to another realm, i know i wont leave!
If you are thinking of the transefer, dno if its open and i
DONT CARE. And i dont think Ubar did know what he went into. If he did why leave all of sudden. The server transfer is not a 1 day option and you know that Nefertem. Instead of talking with the FM's and Marshals about it they DID stick the tail between the legs and run away.
Ofc lets make a post afterwards, cause you're unreachable and you cant take the discussion.
I agreed with Daedleus, they took the easy way out as meny and ran away.
i want say to Yrtal we are not going to gear up.. we formed our guild and we wanna start a new raid starting from basis of MC
Quote from: Ubar;158847i want say to Yrtal we are not going to gear up.. we formed our guild and we wanna start a new raid starting from basis of MC
As i said you werent maby running to get gear then you could choose, danu or righteous.
I'm saying that you are running away, instead of stabelising RG2 as it was before ppl start leaving.
As a post Daed made. We have got 25 new ppl in as defenders and even more. Ehy not stay and fight for keeping it together. All become 1 again.
Tell me what people expect? With 25 new "blue / green" geard ppl do you realy expect to go and do BWL in few nights?? i dont. i saw this coming. people leaving, people afraid of commiting themselve.
I'm happy that we are going back to basics and hope that this is a new beggining of something great. Hope that people are gonna stay and rebuild it to something it was before.
I wont say anything more cause it has no end. I would like to say that im sorry if i affended some people but i'm not that type that just keeps my mouth shut and think everything is ok. I'm saying how i feel, and im still angry about this, but nothing i can do about it. Sorry again!
(If someone feels that there is something they wanna discuss with my feel free to make a PM or fetch me on the server
ASZUNE)
Quote from: Yrthal;1588411st. what kind of frieds are they if they dont accept that you'r interests are in wow instead of football or stamplegathering. Seriosly if you so called "frieds" cant accept that your interests are focused in a game instad of some out door activity, maby concider looking for new friends.
Ffs! its not about them having to quit WoW to be in RL.. its about them wanting to be with their friends while playing aswell..
You talk about running away? wth are you talking about? running away from what? they aint running from anything.. They didn't take the easy way out.. He said himself that he was sorry he had to leave SOG, but that was nonetheless the choice they made, and I don't understand why the hell you can't understand that.. and as Umbra said
QuoteAs I've said before, please don't alienate people and stress at them because something they do isn't what you want them to do, when they have a choice
Just because RG2 have had some bad luck the last few weeks you suddenly burst out into a wave of rage and curses about being a coward and running away when you are most needed and that bucket of crap was pured right into the face of a guy who honestly couldn't help the bad timing..
Quote from: Yrthal;158841Ofc lets make a post afterwards, cause you're unreachable and you cant take the discussion.
Now what the **** is that suppose to mean?
yeah i can understand now Yrtal.. you are right on this
Quote from: Ubar;158852yeah i can understand now Yrtal.. you are right on this
lolol
I give up :roflmao:
i did't see your post.. we postet toghether :D
anyway thx
Ubar, I'll leave forum access open for 24 hours more. If you haven't already down your hoemwork then this will at least allow you to copy over some tactics pages. Give me a shout (via PM here or on Aszune) if you need any assistance. GL on the new server.
TL.
Gl & Hf
very very thx TL:D
I've read almost all posts in this thread and caught the general feeling about what happened.
The opening of the migration from Aszune to Runetotem (a server with 90% of the population being italian) was long known by the italian part of Aszune. We all (italians) thought at least once to leave and migrate just for the fact that playing in an 'Italian' server is damn more easy than playing on an 'English' server. (logically...)
If you think Ubar and the ones who left did this in rush just for the fact that RG2 is having some problems I assure you that this is not the case...we talked extensively about who was about to leave and who to stay but we forgot that all this had a deadline and thoughts have been realized in a short period and taken by the rush lots left following RL friends.
The only thing that Ubar and the others can be criticised of is the fact that they did not worn the guild by time, but we cannot really blame them because our thoughts were mere theory till we discovered the deadline was so near...about...4 hrs before the closure of the migration...