Ok we have had a lot of issues in the past and im not going to sugar coat what i mean in what i say below.
We have had many players come and go quite a few due to loot either moaning about what they did/didnt get. Some due to not being able to raid certain days, some due to moving to other servers and some just because their attendance sucked.
This is the time we are now going to rebuild RG2 as many of our raid group are new so for the next few weeks at least we will be going back to Molten Core and spending as much time gearing up and allowing everyone to get to know each other again.
Now im going to be completely honest if you dont like that leave go to righteous as so many have you will be replaced i want to have our fun raids back again with no moaning, yes we are recruiting and help us find others to join ask your friends etc. We want to make this raid group last even if others dont want it to.
So i want all RG2 support in rebuilding our raid group by going back to Molten Core and getting our numbers up again before attempting BWL again.
The next few weeks will be tough yes but we are a raid group can do it, so lets do a full MC clearance on Thursday and show them we still have it!
Oneangel -
<_< .........D. up and running.........
May I also remind you to the fine loot that drops on AQ20/ZG20. As this can be a major improve. Think about the books that drop there as well (class books) and the ZG enchants (helm and leggs). And try to get an +20 FR enchant on your helm.....extra FR is usefull as the +15 FR cloak enchant....
Now plz do as DarkAngel told, if you find it not acceptable. Let's make a solid new RG2 and kick the hell out of bosses......
And as far as I'm concerned don't show up if you tend to leave the raid half way.......... My two copper.
I hear you Rageful, I also want those fun raid nights, I remember before ( about 3-4 month ago ) we used to laugh at our wipes, ofc it's not funny to wipe but my point is we took it so lightly and the game for the fun not because it is our lives or our job.
You have my full support on this 1:clap:
Well written and well said.
Btw to our leaders. I think we still are gonna do mc in one nite, cause we prob will have our core with us here. Think of what we can do our other nite raiding if that happends.
This Italian thing and other issues are not what we wanted, but something we have to phase.
Devout I know we can make a full clearance in one night...
Last thursday was the fastest progression through the instance till we killed Garr....... He was down 20:45 which is a good indication...but suddenly we lack of focus......
Garr down on 20:45 will let you kill Geddon and Shazzrha at 21:20 (maybe even faster)....... with no wipes we killed Sulfron and Golemagg on 22:00....That means Ragnaros down before or at 23:00.....
And make sure everybody READ the forums as I think the new ones hardly do or know how to.....
Great mc agan.. probely the best thing to do, but man i hate that rg2 is in this situation.
sorry but i need to think my sisuation over agan. to agan fall back where we had some good progresse and restard agan for the second time needs some thinking from my site of vieuw. :g:
as you probely know i applyed for rg1. So mebay you think that i souldnt whinn, ore say anny thing. but im for now in rg2 and if not aproved to rg1 i probly stay a rg2.
If you want this to work. we need some set rulls on the folks that want in our guild. Dont just blindly accept evry one that applyes for rg2 but get some real background info. ore you probely get the same problems as now.
Hope this works out. And will let you know my disicion to stay ore not sortly.
I have just one comment :
/CHEER
This is something we really need - so i am 100% up for it! :clap:
Fuld backup from here :D
And at said in the thread, use the other night to go to AQ20/ZG to get books and Enchants.
For the Team...
I got your back DOG! :P
WEll yoou got my support 100%!
I think this is a very wise and mature decision. I have what I need in MC but I am more than happy to go back there to gear up some new people!
Yeah Noevra RG2 really needs to watch who they are inviting- even if it is people with good gear. They might just wanna join RG2 to get loot and then advance to RG1 when they feel they are getting stuck! Deja-vu?
And I also second the idea of ZG and AQ20 runs! There are really good drops from those instances.
You got my support. This is a needed step, not only for gearing up, but for brushing up on working together. And I second Daedalus' and Nefrion's suggestion for going to ZG/AQ. Using some stuff from those places myself.
im in all the way. :D
It is unfortunate that a single group of people leaving can cause this, but just be aware that Danu and Righteous are also suffering the same so you are not alone. Focus on the MC stuff, the Commanders are running ZG/AQ stuff anyway, so wach non-raid night you'll have stuff to do in those instances. If enough signup there might even be two runs each night.
TL.
Oh and by the way...... going into instanced will make you gear up.... eventually you will get good stuff out of it. I always thought ZG wasn't for pallies....well I am sure wrong about that... At least 5 things I use from there.....in the end you will get that better item...
Let's focus on tomorrows raid and show something we can be proud off....
Drinks at the inn on me afterwards!!!
TL, this has nothing to do with a small group leaving. As you say so often: Get your facts straight! We have been loosing members a lot lately and the last runs has clearly showed that we need to get the team work back into RG2.
I do not see this as a step back. This is a step in the right direction!
Id rather have a RG2 raid to ZG and AQ20 instead of a mixed raid with soldiers and alts. Im sure that Commanders will allow RG2 raids to ZG/AQ20 for a couple of weeks well knowing our situation
Well as we did raid on Monday I suggest we could easaly do 2 runs.... AQ or ZG..
But there have to be people that are willing to sign up. no signup no raid..
Quote from: Nefrion;158699TL, this has nothing to do with a small group leaving.
I do not care to extend this into a big argument as it is largely irrelevant, you are where you are, but I do not recall hearing the "drop BWL for AQ20/ZG" shouts before the group left. Feel free to point me at the forum post if I missed it.
RG2 does indeed need to take stock. Individual people leaving will always happen, but when a group leaves (for valid reasons in their mind) then it is always going to have a more substantial impact. I think the decision to focus on MC is a sensible one - it will only take a few weeks to gear up again and to solidify the performance of the team. If RG2 members in need of better gear supplement RG2 runs by joining the Commanders in their ZG & AQ20 runs then the gear up process will be even quicker. The expectation for RG2 should still be a full MC clearance though.
TL.
We started doing MC on 24th of March (yhea I know I have something with calendar dates), we killed the first 3 bosses and up, and it took around 4 months to get a good geared up RG2. This is how it went.
The new situation will be. Not all 40 members do need MC loot (me for instance). We will kill more then 3 bosses (more kills more loot) in the beginning (even full clearance is there). So we will be geared up much faster then 4 months. I think a couple of weeks as a lot of people do need loot from MC but also have got alread there bit from there.
My only question is, what do we do on tuesday when we have a full clearance on thursday? OFC it will be Onxyia but then???????
You are correct is has not been discussed in an open forum until the Italians left. But believe me there has been a lot of thinking going on. It was just the last drop.
But it is not up to me to decide wether we are going to do 20 man runs or not. I just know that id like to see RG2 going to 20man raids as a whole group. This will make sure that we only supply RG2 people with loot and it will help the team play greatly.
Just to state the obvious as several has in here.
I like several of others in RG2 dont need much in MC. I need only those damn tran leggins that really dont wanne drop for us priests.
So when we are raiding mc on a regular basis we are gonna fill up equipment on peeps that mostly are not all green but have a combination of blues and epixx. Obvious matemathics are that we dont need that many runs to fill up our group to a good one for bwl again.
Our focus are to get peeps with good attendance.
Btw RG1, Danu, Righteus and all guilds have peeps leaving for different reasons. So will we see in rg2. we just have to minimise the loss.
Hope marshals stay and update our defenders list so we know what to work on.
Devout
MC here we come.
Main problem in RG2 is atm our teamwork with each other - removing focus from BWL to MC and ZG/AQ20 will boost this alot, and will gear up the new ppl. This is a important step in the right direction, to get RG2 back where we belong :D
/cheers
I got your back m8
Just a statement of total support on the written from DA. 110% Support.
If you do need an extra pally on a Thursday night, let me know; though I can't promise I'll be able to attend as I'm dedicating more time to my degree.
I imagine any recent 'wave' (prob quite an exageration) of departures is due to the shift of days and also one or two peeps prob more ****ed off at not getting a 3rd raid day rather than so called loot-whoring (hence moving to Righteous and Danu (if you're masochistic I suppose)).
Good luck though sorting out new members, hope you find some stable raiders rather than tourists. Oh and don't forget it takes for bl**dy ever for some items to drops rofl :roflmao:.
Shep
i...i..... :g:
i m very happy to be in RG2 :clap: and i try to give max for our run
Nice post, i fully support this. Lets make RG2 pawn the hell of WoW again!!!!
Btw, everyone can apply to ZG and AQ20 open raids, just sign in site for the raid and you will be granted a spot there.
Sao!
Quote from: saori;159835Nice post, i fully support this. Lets make RG2 pawn the hell of WoW again!!!!!
So you are willing to get your attendance up Saori?