This is not a rant or complain, I think I've been in this guild long enough to get the right to ask this question if not just tell me to stfu and leave.
I signed for ZG and was aprroved with my alt warrior (Malagant) from 13:00 today till 19:20 this afternoon along with the other 2 warriors. I was at ZG entrace in time and waiting for invite when found out that I'm not aprroved.
Now question is why is the sudden decision of changing me out with someone else
-was the substitution for the raid balance?
-was I not there in time?
-am I poor geard to tank?
-did I insult someone that I don't know my self?
-what did I do wrong?
I'm just curious because when raidleaders change someone out in rg2 they state the reason and I'm curious to know why.
And why my sign up was "Canceled" and not even set in queue because if it was set in queue I would have stayed online for a chance to get in the raid.
as some of you know I am a committed rg2 member and always have done or atleast tried to do my best in rg2 and I am really happy to be there with you guys, but if this is one way, and if you don't want me just tell me.
No hard feelings.
Regards Shadowscream.
yrthal don't want to tank, and you probably aren't geared well enough for tanking...
well before you start a war here il ask you why dident u reply on the wisper you got from yrthal???
Quote from: Tika;160949yrthal don't want to tank, and you probably aren't geared well enough for tanking...
If that really is the case, it sucks so bad.
Just because Yrthal don't want to tank it affects a person who actually would like to tank, and would like to get better gear that he actually could get in ZG.
Yrthal has gear that are good for tanking and he should have done that instead of disapproving your sign up.
Quote from: Mazii;160953If that really is the case, it sucks so bad.
Just because Yrthal don't want to tank it affects a person who actually would like to tank, and would like to get better gear that he actually could get in ZG.
Yrthal has gear that are good for tanking and he should have done that instead of disapproving your sign up.
i have been on a couple of runs with either yrthal or his brother claw as leader, to either zg or aq. and on those runs i was put on mt job before yrthal was. although, yrthal has far more superior tanking gear than me. i was signed for todays zg run, but i cancelled (mainly because im sick) but also because we needed a better tank. ragefull was next in line, and ragefull and yrthal, i think/thought, was able to do the job, and malagant could follow and get some better gear, and maybe tank on trashies.
my comment wasn't meant to start a war in any way, but just an observation from a couple of runs. yrthal, claw* and the other commanders are doing a great job arranging runs.
Quote from: Tika;160955i have been on a couple of runs with either yrthal or his brother claw as leader, to either zg or aq. and on those runs i was put on mt job before yrthal was. although, yrthal has far more superior tanking gear than me. i was signed for todays zg run, but i cancelled (mainly because im sick) but also because we needed a better tank. ragefull was next in line, and ragefull and yrthal, i think/thought, was able to do the job, and malagant could follow and get some better gear, and maybe tank on trashies.
my comment wasn't meant to start a war in any way, but just an observation from a couple of runs. yrthal, claw* and the other commanders are doing a great job arranging runs.
I agree 100%, it's good they are taking time to make the runs.
But they shouldnt cancel other peoples sign up just because, in this matter, Yrthal don't wanna tank.
Tanking is for noob warriors anyways, use druids or something.
Quote from: Dajo;160962Tanking is for noob warriors anyways, use druids or something.
totally agree :)
Quote from: Mazii;160957I agree 100%, it's good they are taking time to make the runs.
But they shouldnt cancel other peoples sign up just because, in this matter, Yrthal don't wanna tank.
now the commanders have canceled his signup and there is a reason for it, so its not about who wants to tank, it has beed discussed between commanders.. before the acton has been made..
But why did you cancel hes sign up then? I can't come up with any good explenations. Once you accepted him, and he were ready at entrance at start of invites, then I don't have a clue why you could cancel he's sign up, but I bet you have a reason :)
Quote from: Mazii;160965But why did you cancel hes sign up then? I can't come up with any good explenations. Once you accepted him, and he were ready at entrance at start of invites, then I don't have a clue why you could cancel he's sign up, but I bet you have a reason :)
yes wee have a reason and it will be discusted with the person
Quote from: Claw;160967yes wee have a reason and it will be discusted with the person
Well that's good.
I can tell you why.
Last run!
Friday the 27/10-06...
I recall that you left the raid after Hakkar, while there still was loot and the raid WASENT called. And that hasent been the first time. You havent told anyone that you left. And there are others that can agree with me on that, aswell as commanders.
I tried to catch you earlier today when you came online but you dident response.
We (commanders) havent been talked about the approvement and Daed came late online (he dident know about it), after we discussed the situation we all agreed that you should have a punishement for that and dont get approved for this raid.
It was my pruposal to do it this way. Now plz tell me if you disagree.
This isent a nursery and i dont wanna spend my time every raid explaing why and what. When you apply for something then stay untill something else is told. I dont care if you have been there 10000000000 times and know it better than me, its me whos leading and plz follow, if you know better you are ofcourse welcome to whisper me or the one whos leading.
If you think i'm a bad commander and bad leader, plz go ahead and tell me. I will gladly pass it on to another one. I'm actually getting tired of explaining the same thing over and over again and again because there allways is someone who is feeling himselfe left outside. Seriously act a bit as a grownup and think a more posetive way. Sign up next time and look forward.
You cant satisfy everyone every time. if you think you can go ahead you are welcome to take my place.
Quote from: Tika;160955i have been on a couple of runs with either yrthal or his brother claw as leader, to either zg or aq. and on those runs i was put on mt job before yrthal was. although, yrthal has far more superior tanking gear than me. i was signed for todays zg run, but i cancelled (mainly because im sick) but also because we needed a better tank. ragefull was next in line, and ragefull and yrthal, i think/thought, was able to do the job, and malagant could follow and get some better gear, and maybe tank on trashies.
my comment wasn't meant to start a war in any way, but just an observation from a couple of runs. yrthal, claw* and the other commanders are doing a great job arranging runs.
Yea maby i have better gear. but i think its important that you also try tanking dps or not. I have tryed it myselfe when i had the "blue" gear but allways changed out in Bossfights.. Does it realy matter if you tank or dps? I want ppl to see the game frome different prospectives.
Ofc there will allways be someone that likes tanking better than dps and the other way around.
i wasnt present for neither of these raids... but..heres my 2c
if he wanted nothing from the loot that dropped... and hakkar is dead, why on earth is leaving the raid a bad thing? there was going to be a zg sweep r us event, with brooms and all that...?
and my 3cents.. if you approve someone, dont cancel their signup just cos youre ****ed off with him, thats just crap. and even more crap if that person signed up before the other 2 warrs that were approved.
Quote from: Gorion;160972if he wanted nothing from the loot that dropped... and hakkar is dead, why on earth is leaving the raid a bad thing? there was going to be a zg sweep r us event, with brooms and all that...?
Because i told that we were going back and trying hexxar!
I agree with Gorion.
Isnt it allowed to leave a raid before it's called? This happens all the time in both RGs, and you don't get banned for that.
I remember when some 20 man rules came out when Luna, kreg and mene became Commanders, it was written that if you e.g. didnt show up for the raid you got a warning - Shadowscream didnt get one apperantly.
so, am I to be punished by you Yrthal? Hakkar is dead, loot were distributed and ppl were HSing out and leaving one by one I am the only 1 getting punish because I'm your rival warrior??? get a grip man
Quote from: shadowscream;160977so, am I to be punished by you Yrthal? Hakkar is dead, loot were distributed and ppl were HSing out and leaving one by one I am the only 1 getting punish because I'm your rival warrior??? get a grip man
Rival i dont think so... i dont need loot frome there and im exhalted so idc.
What ****es me off is that ppl leaving raidgrp before raid is over...!
I said it 3-4 times in Raid warning and also on ts.
WE ARE GOING HEXXAR AFTER HAKKAR!
yeah well you said but when ppl already are not showing intrest, why the **** should I waste my time around at midnight?
besides we had 1 rogue only that means totems will kill us.
... Now was that really the reason my sign up was canceled in the last min before invites?
Quote from: Mazii;160976I agree with Gorion.
Isnt it allowed to leave a raid before it's called? This happens all the time in both RGs, and you don't get banned for that.
I remember when some 20 man rules came out when Luna, kreg and mene became Commanders, it was written that if you e.g. didnt show up for the raid you got a warning - Shadowscream didnt get one apperantly.
Hmm ofc it is Mazii, but if you tell me or another commander or even in raidchat but he dident.
Im not gonna be bothered every raid because some ppl dont listen.
And i did discuss it with the other commanders.
But fine its my fault.
Stop the public arguement and take it in to a TS chat / PM / whispers. There is nothing a good talk wont sort.
Quote from: shadowscream;160985yeah well you said but when ppl already are not showing intrest, why the **** should I waste my time around at midnight?
besides we had 1 rogue only that means totems will kill us.
... Now was that really the reason my sign up was canceled in the last min before invites?
1 rogue?? thats more than enough, we did it today with only 1 rogue.. so plz dont find excuses.
Yes that was the reason.. And you dident awnser my whispers...
But fine if you got a problem shouldent you go directly to me or to a Officer instead of making such a big fuss about it?
What whisper? do you hear whispers at nights?
I got no whisper specialy from you. This is just silly, so I think I'll leave the ZG and AQ20 for you Adios.
Just know this, there are real people behind any character in games so everytime you hurt someones feeling like you are hurting real people, good night kid.
we can take this in private or with an officer!
Im supporting Yrthal i have first experience with these issues. Im annoyed with some of the responces ive seen from guildies.
Lets see so we kill Hakkar and you were told we are going to Hexxer.
So im thinking you thought well f**k it i dont need anything from him i might as well leave in a word f**k them.
And at that very time 2 others left so we were down to 17, i personally tihnk you should appologise to Yrthal than start bitching which seems to be the way most people go. Im sick to death with people bitching left right and center about the most stupid things, so GROW up its a game and in the end if the Commanders are leading a raid their rules go, if you dont like them dont sign up.
Rant over.
People don't seem to get how things work. The tonight run, it was I who approved all people, It was I who cancellled people......
When I came online pretty late. I was asked by the commanders to come on TS. That was the proper thing to do. They told me about the actions that were taken one week before. And it was I that decided that due to that I canceld your subscribtion, why? Because after hearing the commanders I found it more then logic. Understand me, we are not there to making people angry, we are there to make our contribution to the guild in the best way we can. And maybe you should try to lead your own 20 man raids. But I can tell you this, a raid leader is about people, and there is a leader for a purpose. Why? For several reasons, and you know that commitment is needed for every instance. Leaving the raid ahead without noticed isn't much of a commitment. It's the raid leader that makes the decision, and only when he calls the raid , it's over. We simple cannot tolerate everybody to do what he/she wants to do.
The commanders did the right thing, I'm with them. And for let me tell you this, people that signup and don't show up, they will get their punishment to.....
Daedalus.
best thing to do Shadow is whisper a comander ingame that was pressent at the run for explanation b4 conclusions will be made to fast. im sure there is a reasonable explanation for there action.
I dont think anyone will be 'cancelled' out of a raid just because he/she wasnt geared good enough...i mean these run are there so ppl can get better gear.
just my 2 cents.
........NVM Q is answered whyle i was typing my comment :)
Quote from: shadowscream;160998Just know this, there are real people behind any character in games so everytime you hurt someones feeling like you are hurting real people, good night kid.
It seems you are forgetting the commanders, marshals and field marshals are real people to, everytime things don't turn you way, you are bitching them.
Well this is just great, my sign up was canceled with me knowing why or anybody let me know anything, now you are telling me it was my punishment for not staying till hexxar.
ok here it goes:We were done with Hakkar's loot and silence on TS ppl were atarting to say goodnight and HSing out and it was about midnight, then i pushed my HS too, after loading screen I see the BIG raid warning we are going to hexxar... I'm not gonna discuss more about this, it is not my style to do what I want and I do have respect for raid leaders, as long as they have also respect for me if this is going to be a one way thing as I said before and I am going to be treated as a 10 year old baby then yes I say fuvk it.
Right that night before Hakkar I asked for a bio and I was ****ing my self, then the respond was" No bio before Hakkar is down"
if I wanted to do as "I" wished I'd just logged right there and turned off my pc. so plz mr. Cambridge don't come here and say:
QuoteSo im thinking you thought well f**k it i dont need anything from him i might as well leave in a word f**k them.
because that's not it and you'd never know what ppl really thinking if you did you were not playing wow.
As for the ZG/AQ20 run I'm gonna stay away from it for a bit, I did sign for the fun and to maybe get some gear for my charackters but it seems there are ppl who still need loot from there, I don't wanna bring up the whispers in last ZG run up so let it all rest.
Oh and in the first post I said this was not a complain or rant and I meant it, I just wanted to know why and I found out but you ppl get so defensive and YOU started it all.
bye.
this threat is going to end right here..
as i said we have wisperd u ingame before the raid and you dident anserw, and after a discussion with the rest of the commander´s group wee have devided to move you to canceled.
i dont say that you can´t come anny more, instead of flaming, you should try work it out, and you are not working it out buy ending your posts with
"Kid"
"get a grip man"
you are just starting your own war.. so if u want to work it out, take a talk with the commanders. or Field Marshals and work it out.
i will sugest that you take a talk with the commanders since it is us that took that dessision, if u dont think it issent working it out than go higher and take i FM..
I wasn't there, but as Shadowscream stated in two posts, he was not going to start a rant nor a war. Maybe he should have asked a Commander or Field Marshal via PM or ingame, but he chose to do it here.
Now the way the responses came from the commanders I understand why he got a bit upset. Im not saying the commanders didn't have a fair enough reason to do so, but they could atleast have answered in some decent way.
The part about Shadowscream saying 'kid' and 'get a grib'.. As far as I recall Yrthal told him to grow up just a couple of posts before that, and most of the responses were very aggressive imho..
Again, Im not saying the Commanders did not have a fair reason to cancel his sign-up, but this thread is just silly. We're all one big happy family here in SOG, and I hope none will feel in hatred against other guildmembers for stuff said in a moment of 'passion'..
Sort this out in a nice civilised and calm way (I suggest ingame or TS) and get together and hug each other and put this in the forget-box:flirty:
I think the commanders need to realise that you didn'tgive him a reason before the raid.
A whisper is not informing a person unless he answers back. There can be alot of reasons why he didn't answer the whisper and almost all of them signal the fact that he didn't see the whisper, be it that he was AFK, he got disconnected or something else.
Secondly punishing someone for something with out getting a reason why he did it first is just idiotic. He could have had a valid reason, sometimes things come up fast and you have to run. Seriously you are taking one single target out of 3 persons and punishing him with out letting him know first or hearing his reasons and you do it in a cruel way by first confirming him for the raid then removing him. you could easily have had him come this time and punish him the next run since he was already approved.
And since you are so keen on reminding everyone that you are real life persons, try remembering that the rest of the people in the guild are also real life people.
Lastly a completely unrelated thing. Commanders stop calling out targets on TS. you are increasing the length multi target fights alot and making the job of main assist alot harder since they have to wait for you to say the target and then chose the target. Unless of course the MA chooses one target you call another target and DPS goes on 2 targets.
Quote from: Drazila;161077Lastly a completely unrelated thing. Commanders stop calling out targets on TS. you are increasing the length multi target fights alot and making the job of main assist alot harder since they have to wait for you to say the target and then chose the target. Unless of course the MA chooses one target you call another target and DPS goes on 2 targets.
sound like you want to lead the next raid..
If i wanted to attend more then 50% of the 20man raids i could easily lead the raids, not like it is hard.
Quote from: Nefertem;161075Sort this out in a nice civilised and calm way (I suggest ingame or TS) and get together and hug each other and put this in the forget-box:flirty:
Quote from: Yrthal;160993But fine if you got a problem shouldent you go directly to me or to a Officer instead of making such a big fuss about it?
Think i said it once.
Thats why i wont comment more on this!
Quote from: Drazila;161087If i wanted to attend more then 50% of the 20man raids i could easily lead the raids, not like it is hard.
I will keep you to your word om that 1. You can lead a raid if the commanders agree and see for yourself how easy it is... Specially if its a new instance. Not to mention loot issues and so on. Seems like ppl think its easy well its not. The tactics are easy enough but making ppl actually listen and doing them is a bit harder. Then the loot aspect kicks in and normally you have ppl going for it and sometimes pretty harsh. Then there is the ppl who think i wiped 3 times i need to afk out (yes we have had those). You think its easy, prove me that. That is with loot a fairly new group and aq20 since zg is known by most of us. Then talk to me again.
This message is my personal opinion. It does not reflect the FM opinion on this matter.
Lunares