There's a lot going on at the moment and change always unsettles people, so I thought it might be helpful to put down some of my thoughts and some facts.
Firstly, please don't be worried about SOG, it will be here come the expansion and it will be strong.
If you feel uncertainty you're simply feeling the uncertainty that everyone else is because nobody (yep, nobody, not even other Guilds, new or old) yet knows exactly how the expansion will force us to organise Guilds/Raid Groups. Some players will no doubt leave to try their hand at something new, some Guilds will simply crack under the strain (check out Righteous RG1 - it is practically non-existant already), other Guilds will survive the change, reorganise and move forward even stronger.
I believe SOG will be in that latter group, it will be a survivor and a leading raiding Guild. Many of the Guilds do not have the support structure we have - our great forums, our teamspeak server, our social scene which bonds us and more than anything our 200 members. However it would be completely wrong to expect to go through TBC without anything happening to us; no Guild will come out of TBC unscathed and we will all have to cope with change. It is how we choose to manage that change that will determine how well we survive into TBC.
Remember that TBC will be a great leveller. We will not need to be devastated at losing some of the 50 RG1 members or 60 RG2 members because TBC means as a Guild we can rely on all 200 SOG members not just the ones with the 'leet gear'. L61 greens equal the T1 epics, L62 blues exceed some T2.5 epics and so if we lose a few people from RG1 or RG2 we need not be devastated! From that point of view TBC will create a new and level playing field and all members get a shot at raiding if they want. The current difference in gear from member to member will not be a defining factor and the levelling effect will actually help us through the change.
Remember also that the 110 members of RG1 & RG2 plus 90 or so Soldiers now have to fit into 25 person raid groups, so whilst seeing a friend leave is always sad, it is not too important if lose some current members or their leet gear. Their gear is not important as it is replaced by better green/blue gear in the first 2 levels of TBC. Arguably their raid experience is a loss, but remember we will all be learning new ways of raiding in smaller groups - many of the 40 person raid tactics will simply not work with 25 person raid groups, so we will all be starting afresh.
What SOG needs is strong leadership which we have in Bastet. For OUR part we need to have a willingness to manage the change. As Douglas Adams once wrote on the front of a somewhat clunky book, in large friendly letters:
DON'T PANIC!
Plan to expect change, manage the change properly and SOG will prosper.
To plan to expect no change would be foolhardy.
I hope this post helps some members. It is not an attempt to pre-empt any formal policy announcement as it contains no 'official SOG plans', it is simply my personal attempt to explain to those who might be concerned by some recent losses from the Guild why the impact of TBC and those losses should not be seen as too important. In due course I am sure Bastet will post the formal plans for the Guild (I know there has been a lot of work going on by the officers in this respect).
TL.
WELL SAID THAT MAN :cheers: :beer:
*running around in circles screaming*
/slap
*feels much better now*
Wise words TL :learn:
Hang in there folks - we will prevail, like we've done so m any times before :boxing:
Well sed m8 :yahoo: we are a well structured guild and will defo survive the expansion so no need to panic
It would be nice if we become the leading guild on this server :flirty:
and what you said is true tl, but what i don't get is why the 2 warriors left the guild so soon for the expension :S
Well i'm not going anywhere...I need Umbra to abuse when i'm drunk...
Well said tl!
but:
QuoteL61 greens equal the T1 epics, L62 blues exceed some T2.5 epics and so if we lose a few people from RG1 or RG2 we need not be devastated! From that point of view TBC will create a new and level playing field and all members get a shot at raiding if they want. The current difference in gear from member to member will not be a defining factor and the levelling effect will actually help us through the change.
Well, if i still raided i'd love to actually raid with SOG RG1. Not FORMERLY KNOWN AS SOG RG1. Misunderstand me right, every member that comes into sog and stays is a sog, but my worries are if the many "crucial" sog'ers leave, not only with their leet epix, but with the player behind the keyboard.
Well Neff i can follow your consern, but throughtout SoG's history core members have always left for other guilds. Its just how it is. Nothing that can be done about.
I myself are considoring trying out something new when TBC hits, not cause there is anything wrong with sog at all, but merely cause i need a little "air change". My love is with sog, but sometimes it can refreshing to try something new for some people. I have still not decided to keep cool fellas :D
(Please do not respond to this in this thread as this is not meant for it)
Well I'm planning on hanging about. I doubt most other guilds would take given the amount of chaos I cause...
Quote from: Lucian;169897Well I'm planning on hanging about. I doubt most other guilds would take given the amount of chaos I cause...
Or the screaming on TS... :devil:
Its what has made me the guild mascot. :P
Have been thinking ur post over TL, and its true loosing RG1 or RG2 geared people aint that bad gearwise, it is bad for moral (if one sheep goes other follow and now we lose more and more every Day! :(), and with that we loose raiding experience (meaning, people that know how to function well in raids and so) and ofc real people with all there unique values fun wise.
And TL is right we still have 200 people left, and we can find new once. But it still doesn't feel right if people are "abondoning" sog.
and call me naive, but i have to agree with JT (with his other posts in other topics), can't see why people wanna join a new guild, if most say they have a good time here.
It still is theyr decision ofc. you can't make people stay, but it would nice if people could wait a bit till tbc is out before rushing things. The new rg's will be alot diffirent then what you are used now (there are less of each class, with diffirent roles, and since there are less of each class, there will be less competition for other items (so that problem is solved a bit) so i beg people to think it over once more before dropping in search for a "better or more fun" guild
(keep in mind: the grass/gear will always look greener/shinier at the neighbers/otherguilds so don't be blinded by that pls)
-lumi-
I personally call it the 'Sinap effect' wait and see.... :P
Well there are a few things to think about what this guild has:
- The ever working TeamSpeak server. Something most guild will not have and a MUST have for every raiding guild (even with 80 people).
- Structure.
- Raiding all instances.
Quote from: StrontiumDog;170104I personally call it the 'Sinap effect' wait and see.... :P
Well i told him last night, that he will be back again. :P
After being absent from the forum for 3 weeks, I wasnt pleased to find all the threads started by ppl leaving WoW or SoG.
Knowing SoG, I would advise all of you still in SoG to have faith in what TL wrote in the opening post of this thread.
There will always be some turmoil in front of changes, during the changes and after the changes. The "big" change will be TBC.
You have a large number of raiders that allready left. It doesnt matter. Those guys are sick and tired of raiding. All they have worked for item-wise over 1,5-2 years now isnt that important for TBC. They wont enjoy TBC in the way that many of you guys will. You guys will be offered opportunities. Opportunities will be offered to you by the extensive network of players and officers in SoG.
Some of the players that left SoG were veterans. Players with extensive experience. But remember that the experience is limited to the fairly repetitious instances during the past 1,5 - 2 years of raiding. What the real loss is, is the loss of players that have raid leading experience.
Most of the players that left was ready for change. I think many of them deserved it. If they stayed in SoG only for the obligation they felt, they would only be of symbolic worth. So in a way, the fact that old sog`ers leave and settle in new networks is an expansion of SoG`s network, because the other option might be players quitting wow alltogether.
I think shaking the tree once in a while to ged rid of the dead leaves as to let the sunlight onto the fresh leaves is a good thing.
I hope that being in SoG after TBC means that more of you are able to enjoy WoW as it is supposed to be enjoyed, in a good guild like SoG.
Being in SoG is taking this mmorpg to a higher level. You can advance beyond your character`s talenttree. You can take on roles in human relations work in this guild to make a bigger impact on others than you or the creators of this game ever imagined.
We all need somebody, and there is a somebody for everyone in SoG.
Totally agree with you there Adu.
Have a look at RG2. We were stuck at Razergore for a long time and had trouble by even clearing MC. It was a major set back for RG2 and many members left because of that. When people left I seriously thought that it would be the end of RG2 but instead we got some good dedicated players and were able to turn it around so that we are facing Nefarian in BWL now.
My point is that people leaving aint necesarrily a bad thing. True, we lost some good and experienced players but if they didnt feel the dedication and interest in bringing SoG to the top in TBC then its probably the best they leave anyway.
Nice post there,
And I can only backup the "Don't panic" thing.
Lets stand together and what ever that comes out of TBC we will take it down:boxing:
Quote from: Adularena;170672
Many many many wise words
Man, you sure know how to put things in the right perspective Addy :thumbup:
Miss you a lot when you're way over there in Japan :byebye:
Quote from: Moonwind;169848Well sed m8 :yahoo: we are a well structured guild and will defo survive the expansion so no need to panic
<--- :roflmao:
Lol..look at his picture to the left!
Quote from: Luminance;170094(if one sheep goes other follow and now we lose more and more every Day! :(),
oi,
I am THE ONE AND ONLY me.
I know thats cuz ur a sheepY thats way lower than a normal sheep :boxing:
but also
Sheepeh
Sheepet
Sheepher
Sheepal
Sheepat
Sheeplock
Im trying to make a whole flock just myself
Am I the only one that is scared at the thought of Sheepy clones :blink:
:narnar:
oh god, thats gonne be evil... one is more then enough :roflmao:
Omg aszune will be flooded with sheepclones!!!!
Though this wouldn't be that bad, since i got 300 in skinning, and the wool prices atm are quit high :P
We still got Sherpedbook.. He might just be one Sherperd, but he will suffice I believe :flirty:
Quote from: Nefertem;171050We still got Sherpedbook.. He might just be one Sherperd, but he will suffice I believe :flirty:
GIB SHEPERDBOOK........ more talking in palla channel :D