In an attempt to make the plans for SOG and TBC a bit more clear, here is the "battle plan" as conceived by the Field Marshals.
We realize that currently not everyone is up for raiding anymore, hence we are going to extend the raid break up to TBC and the point where we can venture into new and exciting instances. As some ppl still want to see BWL, and Naxx the FM's will organize sign up raids for those members still wanting to kill all the bosses of old before starting on the new ones. This will also give us the practice and tactics that the FM's assume will be required in TBC.
One exception we hope those that dont want to raid anymore will make is the MC speed run, where we aim to break the world record before the expension of the level cap.
Upon TBC launch we aim to reset the member ranking system, as we did with the original implementation of the defender/guardian system. After that members can choose their preferred group . The new raids will aim to raid on the current raid days RG1 uses, with stronger enforcement of several rules as made evident by feedback from members.
As for the names and ranks of these groups, feel free to help the FM's by putting up suggestions that can be used :narnar:
Food for thought.
Are we still going with two RGs, or implementing a third? (Given they should be 25 man groups...)
Quote from: Bastet;170028As for the names and ranks of these groups, feel free to help the FM's by putting up suggestions that can be used :narnar:
Rg1/2 Guardian/Defender? :)
Sounds like a good battle plan Bastet!
Cheers to the Officers :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bastet;170028As for the names and ranks of these groups, feel free to help the FM's by putting up suggestions that can be used :narnar:
Pink Pony (none raiding member), Pretty Pink Pony (raiding member), Prettier Pink Pony (officer), Prettiest Pink Pony (guild master).
That's my suggestion :flirty:
Quote from: Lucian;170034Are we still going with two RGs, or implementing a third? (Given they should be 25 man groups...)
As people will be asked at the time what they want to do then the numbers at that time will no doubt have a bearing on the answer to yoru question. My guess would be that we will see two strong raid groups, but higher or lower numbers are possible too.
TL.
Quote from: Bob;170039Pink Pony (none raiding member), Pretty Pink Pony (raiding member), Prettier Pink Pony (officer), Prettiest Pink Pony (guild master).
That's my suggestion :flirty:
Purple Pony Outcast- Vargen ^_^ (now hese gonna be pis sed:norty: )
for the names:
Defender (2 nights a week)
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Guardian (3 nights a week)
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Jokers (4+ nights a week)
:P
(the dots indecate the letters in between the names, since you allready skipped the E and F between Defender and Guardian :) )
As I cheer upon reading this, I would like to suggest strong rules for neglecting rules. No more "Hey I wouldn't come and there is even no penalty" thingy..
Also as I have a luxery called time, I realy would like to see 4 raiding days....making me a joker :P
At this rate there wont be almost none current RG1 members left in SoG.
where loosing from 2-4 RG1 ppl a day now.
What are ppl afraid of, not beeing in a guild that will race trough new instances?
GRRRRRRR
Just as a request so that I can figure out where we stand, could an officer please update the guild roster pages.
Thanks.
I actually think come TBC it might be best to do away with the traditional RG1,2 etc. Just have 'raiding members' and 'non-raiding' members.
On raid days sign up the same as AQ20 etc and fill up as many raid groups as possible.
The point I am making is that maybe it's time to stop splitting the guild in half and join together and utilize all the manpower to archive better results.
Now is the best time due to the TBC gear and everyone will be on an almost equal footing.
I like that idea. The guild becomes what we make it.
Quote from: StrontiumDog;170098I actually think come TBC it might be best to do away with the traditional RG1,2 etc. Just have 'raiding members' and 'non-raiding' members.
I also like to get something like that, but that its not really practical. You need to function with the same people so that you play better together.
And since not all people have the luxury to raid the same numbers or raid nights on same nights, there should be a bit of diffirence. That in the way i mentioned before. This way we don't loose people who wanna raid hardcore (since the joker would be for them), we continue with guardian 3 nights (wich proved to be succesfull (if alot more choose for thes we could ofc make 2 guardian raids ;)) and for those who like to raid high end more casual you'll have the defender rank who raid 2 nights.
I beg to differ.
Take ZG and AQ20 for example, at first it was a case of working out the tactics and then applying them to Rg1. Once we had this down it only took a few members in the raid who could lead and pass on the tactics for the raid to be successful with mostly AQ20, ZG virgins.
All members of SoG have the same ethos and virtually the same ability and ergo should be able to intermingle as required.
I know what you mean but think of it this way, with the current future holding 5 and 10 man raids for a few months did you ever raid scholo and strat with the same people 3 times a week for months on end...no.
To benefit the whole guild, I believe that the whole guild has to take part and all benefit from the experiences that lie in wait for us.
I think that SoG in TBC should be for the majority not just the 'few' and therefore options to play in highend instances should be available to all...
(except Dwarde)
Quote from: StrontiumDog;170115(except Dwarde)
srry but:
:roflmao:
srry again, it was to funny
(plz don't be offended dwarde, but you deserve that after your actions and with the comment your motherboard couldn't take it and would burn :lmfao:)
I dont think that idea is practical strontium, but if you have a good idea on how to put it into practice, i am all ears/eyes :)
Quote from: Bastet;170125i am all ears/eyes :)
FREAK!!! RUN AWAY!!!!
/slap, but seriously, send me a PM, or catch me IG/TS.
Well from what i can see...the sign up site works to a degree. Add in some mandatory commitment (ie RG1) for attendance for raiding members and you should be able to balance multiple raids by those that sign up.
I'm not saying it's quick and easy (although it may be) but with the sign ups and maybe a lifo rule for each group you could easily fill up a couple groups per night.
As far as I know up until lvl 70 we are only talking 5 or 10 man raids so maybe you could assign an officer per group of people and let them sort out their requirements for a particular raid.
I have no idea if I am making sense.....bottle of vokda is bad!
We are raiding till we get to 70, even if its at 69 i want to see kel thuzad and such, and i know a lot more ppl do :D
I dont know by the rest of you - but im still hoping to do 40 man raids.
Take RG2 - we are still to own BWL, we havent even started on AQ40 and Naxx seems sooo far away. I would very much like to see those instances and to have cleared them - TBC or not.
Its not like we stopped MC/BWL when Naxx or AQ40 opened - so why should the 25-man instances be different? It's just more gameplay ahead :)
Thats just how i feel.
Quote from: Bastet;170132We are raiding till we get to 70, even if its at 69 i want to see kel thuzad and such, and i know a lot more ppl do :D
You are so right I want to see Naxx inside out, and maybe for the fun of it, get Full T3 :D - oh and that Legendary Staff for mu lock
Quote from: DonnieKingo;170159I dont know by the rest of you - but im still hoping to do 40 man raids.
Take RG2 - we are still to own BWL, we havent even started on AQ40 and Naxx seems sooo far away. I would very much like to see those instances and to have cleared them - TBC or not.
Its not like we stopped MC/BWL when Naxx or AQ40 opened - so why should the 25-man instances be different? It's just more gameplay ahead :)
Thats just how i feel.
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Aye but with 2 days raiding? no way thats gonna happen..
Udnerstand me right here. You will be needing 4days or more if you wnana raid the "old" instances and at same time try the new out.
How about something a little different. A different raiding group running every night......for names sake lets call them RG-Monday to RG-Sunday.
People apply to sign up for as many of these groups as they like but the attendance rules are pretty strict. This allows the hardcore to raid every night, people who can make every day can sign up for lots of days.......and it also allows others to apply only for the days they can definitely make so attendance problems should be decreased. As for numbers i really don't know.
Its hard to say as we don't really know yet what TBC will be offering for raiding guilds.......but i'm pretty sure the shine will be taken off Naxx/AQ40 etc once there are newer instances with shinier rewards on offer.
It'd take a lot of organising i'm sure so maybe it's impractical that way.
How about naming the new groups something like this :
RG1D - Raid 1 day a week (If thats gonna happen)
RG2D - Raid 2 days a week
RG3D - Raid 3 days a week
RD4D - Raid 4 days a week
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That namingscheme does not have the same "RG1 are better than RG2"-feeling - and it pretty clear as to how much you raid.
Just a surgestion :)
don't think 1 day is enough imo, maybe lateron.
And ofc 4 raidgroups seems a bit to much for a guild (its not 4*25 its 4*32 thats over 125 raiding people maybe more)
It wouldn't need that many people.......the groups would be made up of the same people but fixed in pools for certain days.......there would be the problem of locked instances to overcome tho.
Quote from: DonnieKingo;170159Its not like we stopped MC/BWL when Naxx or AQ40 opened - so why should the 25-man instances be different? It's just more gameplay ahead :)
Thats just how i feel.
Because you can. Tier 1/2 was a requirement to succeed in AQ40 and AQ40 gear and experience was required to succeed in Naxx, that is why all RGs kept the order. For BC, gear levels will be almost equal, so you can skip Instances. Would you spend 3 nights a week in MC if you could just as well do Naxx?
wouldnt you like to kill c'thun even if you have better gear than AQ40 myanmar?
same principle really ;)
i wanted to kill c'thun with my t2.
Killin C'thun on lvl 70 doesnt'seem so rewarding atm.
Though Aloha and me will be trying to get some higher end 5-10 man lvl 55+ instances on farm for fun :)
From my own standpoint:
As much as ppl might want to raid more, you have to consider, for each hour we raid, there is about an equal time of prep work for the officers. In making sure all the pots, all the tactics, and all the other smaller jobs are done properly, so that you lot, as raiding members have a good nite raiding. For new instances this ammount of time might climb to two hours. So atm, i dont think more then 3 days is desirable. Which leaves 4 days for those ppl that always want to play for smaller instances, PVP, arena matches, faction grinding and other things (side note; From info on the mount hyal battle its estimated that it takes a normal player about 3 months to complete the quest to be able to enter.) . Or maybe another game (play CSS/BF2/BF2142 with your fellow -=[dMw]=-). Or maybe unplug and do something else :narnar:
I know myselfs, and a few other officers, and maybe several members cant commit to more then 3 days. Doesnt say i dont want to raid more, its just not viable.
Well there is another advantage going through those instances and that is the gold you get from selling the items..... :P
I wonder how the existing raid dungeons will work out post TBC? It seems clear plenty of members will want to go through those 'easy' instances as they level towards 70. But exactly how much of a challenge will they be for a group who is at or close to the new cap? How many Lv 70 players would it take to clear Naxx for example?
I think there are many players who would like to at least see every instance in the game. But would anyone want to go more than a few times? If the loot from Naxx, BWL etc is poorer than from the Expansion quest, drops and 50-10 man instances I don't imagine anyone would want to go through them over and over again. So would we be looking at 'Nostalgia Runs' rather than full loot gathering raids? I'm sure some trips through the exisiting dungeons could be arranged, so that everyone who wants to see them and take down the bosses can do so. Then it will be on to the Lv60+ stuff. So continuing raids into MC, AQ, BWL & Naxx won't be much of a drain on resources or players time. The runs don't have to be done in any timescale. We could arrange them to spread over several months. I'm assuming they will also require significantly fewer players to complete so it won't be as if 40 players need to get together. I don't know how many it woud take but I assume it will be significantly less than 40.
Also as regards multiple raid groups in TBC is this required to cater for differing skill levels or just time committed to raiding? If we assume than all SOG members who want to raid will be starting from scratch in new unkown raids then is it a matter of numbers and how often we wish to raid (1,2,3 or 4 nights a week)? I am sure most of the small 5 man stuff will get done with players just grouping together and getting stuck in. I believe Blizzard are looking to move away fom the huge 40 three day raids so as to make the game more accessable to casual players and raiders, so the need to raid all the time will be less after the expansions.
As with most things I am sure things will turn out unlike anyone thought (they usually do) and so any fixed plans made now probably (with all the best intentions) will not turn out to be the right ones in hindsight. I would stay with two raid groups for now. I'm going to work to Lv 70 and only then will I try to go back into the old raid dungeons and I suspect that will be true of many players. We're going to want to look at all the new in game stuff, the small dungeons and get into the normal quests again. By the time we 'look up' we'll all be Lv 70.
The existing dungeons will be cleared well before L70 imo, probably most guilds would be capoable of clearing them in the early 60s, irrespective of previous experience. I suspect a full Naxx will drop very early to a partially levelled raid group. I for one will be doing some of this whilst my main raid target will be the new instances. The reason for the focus on new instances is that you need to clear many of them to get keyed for later instances. So levelling and doing instance runs will key you for the later instances that you will want to do nearer L70. The early days should be real fun, questing, levelling and exploring the wings of new instances. Oh yeah and grinding faction with the 8 required for Hyjal :sad:
TL.
Me, Chimpboy, a big white bear and Miss Whiplash plus a whole load of bandages v Naxx...hmmm
Quote from: smilodon;170452Me, Chimpboy, a big white bear and Miss Whiplash plus a whole load of bandages v Naxx...hmmm
Sounds like my idea of heaven.....although you'll probably get mad when I ninja your cryptstalker pieces :devil: Mail-wearing warlocks ftw :)
On a serious note - I don't see why we can't arrange one day a week to do these "nostalgia" runs to BWl/AQ40/NAX. True, the gear won't be worth keeping bar a few exceptional items, but I for one want to see all of the content, and getting complete Tier sets does hold it's attractions if for nothing more than vanity. Make it a purely optional sign up raid, regardless of raid group. As far as I can tell (could be wrong here), there are only 5-10 man instances before level 70 anyways, which according to beta feedback are much shorter than what we're used to.
Quote from: ChimpBoy;170768As far as I can tell (could be wrong here), there are only 5-10 man instances before level 70 anyways, which according to beta feedback are much shorter than what we're used to.
And this is my main fear for TBC. It could spell the end to serious raiding. If the whole concept of multiple runs into dungeons, each one lastinging several hours, is over then what future for a rading guild. Do we all role alts and level them to 60 and just stick with the current end raid stuff, without ever taking them higher?
We live in interesting times
There will still be a point in finishing AQ40, Naxx etc. Some of the gear that drops is seriously nice in any case and will last to L70 due to the stats companonent. In any case, some people want to see the end of the instances.
TL.
Im thinking that it really sucks to be lvl 60 among lvl 70s. It would probably be like when you are lvl 50 and grinding in Sorrow Hill and some T2 mage comes a long and agros the whole area and AoE them down. Perhaps we will see something like that in Tyrs Hand? :g:
Before Christmas I just got my 5th T2 and boy what a thrill that was but if you think it over, what is the point? All the gear we have worked for over the past year is worthless within a week or two.
I dont really have that many thoughts on my role in TBC. Im gonna take it a day at a time :flirty:
dont even mention the wasted time on current gear nef...
most of the old rg1 ppl should be seriousely ****ed off atm imo.
and to the owners of legendary items.. i know we all love our orange weapons.. but i feel very ****ed off knowing TF will be useless in some lvls.. they should atleast add huge questline to upgrade current legendaries.. (atleast for the great deal of time/money we just wasted)
Quote from: Gorion;170865they should atleast add huge questline to upgrade current legendaries.. (atleast for the great deal of time/money we just wasted)
Agree there Gorion. They should make some quest lines to upgrade gear like there is to upgrade blue sets. Whether it should be T2 or T3 can then be discussed but I dont like the thought that we have worked our arses off for almost a year and when we finally can see the end of BWL we can just go and gain a few levels bundle up the three drakes and AoE them down!! :thumbsdown:
Well the last bonus from the TF stays intresting, but will probably be resisted from lvl 62 and higher....
prolly not.. bosses in aq40 still get the debuff, about naxx, dunno but it should effect them also
Agree Gorion. I "wasted" 1.300g on Sulfaras, not to talk about the materials the guild "wasted" too :/
A questline to upgrade would be super awesome!
And as Nefrion says, I am also gonna take TBC one day at the time. I haven't even ordered it yet - and I don't think Nefrion have either :P
In naxx all but a hand full of mobs are afflicted by TF. Anyhow, all the gear spending isnt wasted, afaik the tier 2 will still be a major part of your gear upto lvl 64, and it allows for you to get a decent head start on the rest of the players. Also, it was fun getting it, maybe even more then having it. And if i didnt get it i know i would have been bored with wow ages ago.