Hi guys
maybe it was a question for you that why i (Aipril ) left RG2 before raid end today
well after we killed Firemaw i saw some ( nice ) act from our class leader Wierd in bwl.
he asked me why i didn't used macro to switch healing while i get debuffs,
i said i dont get any debuffs because in the point where i am standing i am out of line of sight of the boss and in line with the MT's to heal them while the others don't do this.
then he answered, well we dont give a **** about you and dont give a **** about how you play.....
i just want to say Mr.Wierd this is just a game and game is to have fun, grow up dude. even if you are grandmarshal in guild so what? you are Grandmarshal in a game. At least have a bit respect for other ppl.
I don't say that i don't need any equipment, yes i need some equipments from BWL too (( but not in any price )). i want to have fun with ppl.
If ppl ( as Wierd said ) don't give a **** about me, then why should i waste my time there?
Calm down, and do not post stuff like this on forums, talk to the people involved.
Alaha, I am not trying to 'silence' you, but may I suggest you discuss your problem directly with the Field Marshalls in the first instance? If you have a problem then there are a number of Field Marshalls to whom you can talk and who would be happy to listen. However as with any story there will be two sides, so expect that FM to explore both sides of the story before coming back to you. A private discussion tends to be far more productive than a public mud-fight where the usual and unsatisfactory outcome is for both parties to end up covered in mud.
TL.
I agree with you completely TL, but also agree with Alaha. We do this all, preparing, all people put all the effort and time, to have fun together and if this "game" leads to disrespecting and hurting eachother, then I say it is not worth it.
Surely hope to hear something from the other side of story, because when Alaha talked to me at phone about the matter I was still in raid and asked Wierd, then, grimaid, then heirmaine ( because it happened in priest channel) then asked sifferdi, not much of responding.
BUT as TL suggested, do this in game and in private matter.
In the end as I have earlier mentioned in some posts, this is a game and lets not hurt eachothers feelings because of it.
I didnt respon as i didnt catch your whisper mate - raidleading is alot of focus :D
Shadowscream, you completely missed the point. You have absolutely no idea what was said, you have just one side of the story only, so to come out with some commentary after I have made a clear plea for this to be sorted out privately is plain daft! Making your own assertions and then saying "BUT as TL suggested, do this in game and in private matter" is bloody stupid as you did precisely the opposite of what I requested and you agreed with!
Let the matter be taken privately and dealt with WITHOUT adding your bias 2 cents please.......... and as was said immediately above, FMs are fairly busy in BWL so do not expect a reply to an issue like this in mid raid!
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;171167Shadowscream, you completely missed the point. You have absolutely no idea what was said, you have just one side of the story only, so to come out with some commentary after I have made a clear plea for this to be sorted out privately is plain daft! Making your own assertions and then saying "BUT as TL suggested, do this in game and in private matter" is bloody stupid as you did precisely the opposite of what I requested and you agreed with!
Let the matter be taken privately and dealt with WITHOUT adding your bias 2 cents please.......... and as was said immediately above, FMs are fairly busy in BWL so do not expect a reply to an issue like this in mid raid!
TL.
All what i say is: pay a bit more respect to other members
Tl this matter cannot go on private, you ask why?
1: if 1 person in a raid have a problem then all in raid have problem since a raid act like a whole body
2: this is not the first time im having this problem and the last times i just tried to ignore it for the good of the raid, but now i got enough of this
3:i like to raid with people specially with SoG but if this meanes i have to just hear all kind of ( %¤#& ) stuff writing in class channels, then i have to just say sorry guys, i can use my time better than coming with RG2 to heal and help out ( and ) read pplz crap on class channel only because the dude that call himself classleader can't figure out how to play his class in certain situation.
If this matters was a single case with you Alaha, I maybe could have understand you reaction but you have now done this for several raids so I much say you are way out of line here.
No matter how good you think you at the job as a individual player, you have to follow the instruktions from the class leaders when we are raiding 40 men becuase if not, you can wipe the whole raid group.
Not saying you did last night, but there have been situations in previous raids where you manages to take the argo from the main tanks during to your overhealing in the fight against Firemaw.
Remember you are a part of a bigger plan and not soloing the instance with 39 pets around you.
So no matter what the class leader tells you to do, you are expect to do so. You need to be a team player when raiding.
As TL said there is only one side of the story here. And as I see it this is not about following instructions from the CL but about the way these instructions were given.
Aipril, if you felt harassed you should have taken a screendumb of it and brought it to a FM's attention.
On the side- we all know that people are stressed during raids but please dont take it out on your team mates. This is a general comment and has nothing to do with this particular topic.
Difficult one.... pally channel - nice channel...even when people not listening...
And when they not listening I ask RL to say it out....:D
sorry... but what the hell... If a raid member ever gets it in his mind to say to a fieldmarshel that he dosnt give a tham, and that he is a piephead ore somting all hell breaks lose but if a fieldmarshel do'se it its okey... and you souldnt put it on the forum... That is like im sadam and do what i want you just need to lissen to what i say ore i kill you.....
put this in the right perspectif. And (i still dont know if it true but if it...omg) dont attack the one here that get this kind of crap to his/here head. Are you kidding me? Fieldmarsh's are not god's that know it all. And if they have a sugestion they sould tell the raid members where who and what and than STILL its the choice of the player if he add's a addon. If not and its a must have say this to him, and let him not raid untill he have got it (im thinking of CTraid)...
but that's just mind kind of thinking....
Noevra, I think the comparison to Sadam is a little OTT and exactly why this type of thing should be dealt with privately - if someone shouts loud enough in public it will always annoy someone sufficiently to make an enough more heated comment. That's how wars are started. A slightly better analogy might be:
If a Defender told an FM to sod off, then the FM would take the matter up privately with the player and involve the other FMs if necessary. It is not necessary to wash this player's dirty linen in public.
If an FM told a Defender to sod off, then the Defender should take the matter up privately with the FM and involve the other FMs if necessary. It is not necessary to wash this FM's dirty linen in public.
If such an arbitration does not work then by all means go public, but given that the discussion would involve a number of other FMs it is exceptionally unlikley that it would not have been satisfactorily sorted out. What is saddening is that people seem to think that going public on something and shouting it loud from your soap box automatically puts you in the right and the other party in the wrong. People should try to communicate more rather than shout at each other across forums. In this respect I commend the FM for not dignifying this thread with a public reply about the incident.
This kind of 'trial by media' sickens me and is something I wish SOG members would stop because it just makes me want to quit the forums. :sad:
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;171167Shadowscream, you completely missed the point. You have absolutely no idea what was said, you have just one side of the story only, so to come out with some commentary after I have made a clear plea for this to be sorted out privately is plain daft! Making your own assertions and then saying "BUT as TL suggested, do this in game and in private matter" is bloody stupid as you did precisely the opposite of what I requested and you agreed with!
Let the matter be taken privately and dealt with WITHOUT adding your bias 2 cents please.......... and as was said immediately above, FMs are fairly busy in BWL so do not expect a reply to an issue like this in mid raid!
TL.
I do bloody know what was said, I too have experienced the same kind of behavior from you FMs, don't tell me I have no idea mester.This is the kind of harassment that happens when a person gets promoted in guild than he think´s the rank gives him the right to do as he/she likes.
Take your own post here, that kind of respond, just because you own this forums ( admin whatever hell it is) and have played wow in 2 years and know hell alot of people in SoG and our server, then you have rights to say whatever you desire to anyone, this is exactly what this matter was and is about.
No. I think you missunderstood what I said there, try read my post again.I said I hope to hear something from the other side of story, wasn't necsesarily meaning on the forums, but from the persons in game. and my bias 2 cent was : take the game as a game and not as a ****ing battle field where there are ranks and orders, play it for the fun and be as brothers.
About Wierd. Mate I remember the days we were defender, now you are FM then you got the right to disrespect another guild member, because you are in da club of FMs?
Quote from: Knabbel;171184Difficult one.... pally channel - nice channel...even when people not listening...
And when they not listening I ask RL to say it out....:D
Lets get some rants going in the pally channel! We seem to be missing alot of those :P
I will gladly rant Buford :devil::boxing:
Hugtime!!
:huggy::nevermind:
btw.. anyone handing out chill-pills? I think we could use some here :D
i have somting better then chill pills.
http://uselessjunk.net/images/stories/jessica_alba_see_thru_7.gif
:dribble: jessica alba :dribble:
Quote from: shadowscream;171211I do bloody know what was said
Clearly you have access to private in-game whispers between third parties and to the content of previous discussions between those parties which we do not have direct access to.
Quote from: shadowscream;171211I too have experienced the same kind of behavior from you FMs, don't tell me I have no idea mester.This is the kind of harassment that happens when a person gets promoted in guild than he think´s the rank gives him the right to do as he/she likes.
Seriously if you have suffered this then why did you not speak to an FM about it? Letting things fester is rarley a positive thing - but it is convenient for you to be able to mention it right now. Re your tone of chat, cool it. I was not trying to insult, I was trying to point out some basic facts. You were not present for the whole conversation - you got bits of it third hand, ie you did not get all of it and were there for none of it. The point I was making was that this means it is unreasonable for you to appoint yourself judge & jury and reach a conclusion. As for calling people 'mester'????
Quote from: shadowscream;171211Take your own post here, that kind of respond, just because you own this forums ( admin whatever hell it is) and have played wow in 2 years and know hell alot of people in SoG and our server, then you have rights to say whatever you desire to anyone, this is exactly what this matter was and is about.
Err. What are you on about? Being an admin on a forum has nothing to do with my response. I made my response as a SOG member and mature adult. Please get back on topic.
Quote from: shadowscream;171211No. I think you missunderstood what I said there, try read my post again.I said I hope to hear something from the other side of story, wasn't necsesarily meaning on the forums, but from the persons in game. and my bias 2 cent was : take the game as a game and not as a ****ing battle field where there are ranks and orders, play it for the fun and be as brothers.
Why on earth would anyone come to you to deliver information about an issue that does not involve you? Let the parties take it private otherwise it becomes a public ****ing contest which is absolutely pointless. It might, eventually, become public once a conclusion has been reached, or if the discussion between the member and the FMs is not satisfactorily resolved, but let's hope they deal with it in private, otherwise issues like this stir up all sorts of ill-informed comment from third-parties. I'm not saying that I know what went on, I'm just pointing out that you probably are not in possession of all relevant facts.
Quote from: shadowscream;171211About Wierd. Mate I remember the days we were defender, now you are FM then you got the right to disrespect another guild member, because you are in da club of FMs?
I believe discipline of FMs is a matter for the GM, not you. There needs to be a case and he makes the decision, not you. Where is your right to disrepsect an FM? Ask someone you know the same question. Or maybe your all-seeing eye missed those conversations. :angry:
As an officer I feel obligated to make these sort of posts, to provide some guidance as it were, but sometimes I wonder why I bother when they are so misinterpreted.
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;171220As for calling people 'mester'????
Danish word for Champ.. as a champion not a chimp (can be used both for good and bad) :wink:
Anyways.. Nothing useful (except for Noev link) has come out of this thread and most likely, nothing will.. Just a lot of anger and misunderstandings.. Rarely a good combination to be honest..
So Ill suggest we all do a memory wipe and the persons directly involved with the incident at hand will sort it out in private so the rest of us can live happily ever after?
Another chill picture of Jessica Alba turning on men:
http://thesuperficial.com/image.php?path=/2007/01/05/jessica-alba-blue-bikini-01.jpg
http://thesuperficial.com/image.php?path=/2007/01/05/jessica-alba-blue-bikini-09.jpg
But she is with another man on one of the pictures :ohmy:
I hate that guy now :sad:
PPL chill out and stop comenting on this post. This is between the ppl concernd and the Field Marshals/GM.
Just to point somthing out. Aprili was standing in the spot where u do not get the debuff from Firemaw, and can still heal the MT1 and MT2. Since i was on that side i could see who was getting the debuff and not.
As far as i know, this is the tactic healers on broodlords side in RG1 use. Correct me if im wrong. Cause i normaly stand on the other side of the wall, in Firemaw's room.
So Wierd and Aiprili get this thing sorted out. But privatly, no need to drag it here. That's where u have other FM(like the ones from RG1) and the GM(Bastet)
So let's leave this as it is, and do not comment more here. If this happens i would urge a admin to close this thread, as it will not gain anything.
Now off topic, Mazii great pics :dribble:
I can make a comment on your tactics JT.
As all healers stand on broodlord side they can fully heal the tanks without getting the debuff all the time. Rest of the raid should just know when to step out of sight and bandage them self. The healers on ebonroc side will get buffed during healing...and I think that when all people pay attention to the debuffs and step out of sight on time there is no need to heal others..... nice one!
But totally off-topic btw.... sorry for hijacking your post... :oops:
Well in this post I don't think its that bad to go off-topic and change the subject, so don't worry Daed :D
How much i like bonking ppl, i do prefer to get all the info. Also since i expect the FM's to give the good example, they probably wont add the counterpoints here. It would just escalate in a giant flame war. If you have a problem, i, or other FM's would be more then happy to talk to you, or other ppl involved.
OT: On the tactic:
The current tactic for RG1 is that the paladins stand on that side, due to the nature of paladin builds, its nearly impossible for them to get agro due to healing.
Priests and druids on the other side of the wall heal flat out and then sink in a corner to bandage, and let debuff expire. If a priest goes to the paladin spot yes they can heal, yes they wont get debuff, the problems are you can heal all the time and sometimes get to high on agro list (MT1 can always die, MT2 generaly doesnt have nearly as much agro) and more importantly if MT's have to move firemaw you lose LOS, and before RG1 had priests/druids on other side, that was a near certain whipe.
Please dont break with the tactics as proposed by FM's, most of it has a reason, most of the reasons might not be known to ppl, i doubt most RG1 raiders know them, but that dont make em less important.
Quote from: Bastet{...} It would just escalate in a giant flame war {...}
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shadow/alaha, you might be very ****ed off atm, but shouting around like mindless monkeys is not the way to go, actually, this thread is making more harm then good to a delicate situation
and shadow, teaelle is not that kind of person, i know him enough to say this, but you on the other hand dont know him that much, so please before going around and flaming ppl, be sure youre 101% sure of what youre saying, and most important do it in a discreet way.
and if you feel youre about to rage, wash your face with cold water, or sleep... youlle end up much more reasonable
disclaimer: this post doesnt mean to offend anyone, so if you feel offended please re read
i vote for a thread lock
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nope more like:
Giant flame wars are series of huge flaming messages in electronic discussion groups such as usenet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet), mailing lists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mailing_list) or internet forums (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum). There are a number of characteristics of electronic communication which have been cited as being conducive to flame wars. Electronic communications do not easily transmit facial expressions or voice intonations which may serve to moderate the tone of a message. (However, some users may add on smileys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon) (e.g. ;) ) to lessen the sting of a negative post, or to clarify the meaning behind a post.) Also, there is typically a lag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lag) time between the time a message is transmitted and the time a reply is read. These two characteristics can cause a "positive feedback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback) loop" in which the emotional intensity of an electronic exchange increases to extremely high levels. Many times, the intent of a message is misunderstood, causing an unintentional flame war. These tend to escalate and worsen very quickly, sometimes causing the topic in which the reply is submitted to be closed, or "locked."
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Alaha and Shadowscream please speak to me in game!
Quote from: Gorion;171280and if you feel youre about to rage, wash your face with cold water, or sleep... youlle end up much more reasonable
So so so true.....
walk away man.........
How the HELL can u use the the word "chill-pill" and then post a picture of Jessica Alba in a see-through dress??!! That is utterly and completely WAY out of line, and I got very hot-headed (!) when clicking on the link.
And I felt kinda decieved too, u morons!
If I ever see that kind of behavior again, it WILL be brought to the FM's, but not before I have flamed u to hell and back!
n00bs!! :boxing:
hmm knowing that clown as your picsure... i doudt you didnt like that pic:D
It does concern me because Alaha is my elder brother in real life, so mester, Mr , did you prefer Master or Sir, my lord? I don't see how mester can be insulting or how the hell I insulted anyone. where I find "bloody stupid" more insulting than mester. This is how it always turns out with me, I get insulted then I get accused for insulting...
The only thing I am going to say is that I don't think an officer should use language like that when speaking to a guild member.
If what is reported is true, and noting the fact that TL and others have made in that we only have one side of it.
I like a good argument. but this is like being back at school. not very dMw:g:
I haven't read all the posts because I have a life. :flirty:
Mester good, or bad, is a therm from a non english language, if you dont know the language words are eazyly misunderstood shadowscream. Dont hold it against the man he dont know all languages spoken in the guild, cause theres a ton arround :narnar:
Respect and good manners work both ways and everyone in the guild should treat people like they wish to be treated. If this thread is evidence of how people treat each other then it is no wonder people get upset.
If someone has a complaint about another player then please use some common sense and speak directly to the officers.
It is quite fankly dismaying to see flaming on the increase in these forums.
OK ppl, i have read 1.5 site and allready got bored and tired of it. STOP the flaming immedietly.
Do you got a problem?
Go to a FM
Do you got a problem with a certain FM?
Go personaly to him and doesent it help contact another FM.
We are supposed to be your friends and not enemies.
Just because we got the "FM" status doesent meant that we are more worth that you, but just that we are ready to use our spare time making tactics and planning on how raids are supposed to be runned while you PVP, get drunk, are with a GF or whatever you spend your time on.
instead of not awnsering or yelling at eachother - talk together.
Alaha mentioned that his spot he had a clear sight at warriors without going out of LOS.
Now for that i would Imo say, do as wierd told you and then /w him afterwads and tell him: "you know what mate, if you try to do this, like this and this and that, then you would avoid that and allways be ready to heal". (wich it was in this case.)
Remember, do as told in a raid, but if you know better than /w the CL and tell him what you know, he might concider to use your way to make the run better.
We are supposed to CoOp and not start a war between eachother.
Plz stop it here, change dialog, change topic whatever.
Now go to the topic "L2ReRoll" and learn what your class is supposed to do. :D
Pallies just put their ideas into the class channel. Hell I can't know all the tactics... Gallahan learned me something I didn't knew yesterday.....
Oh and btw Yrthal,
don't you have a macro "It's all Wierds fault"? :roflmao:
not anymore but lost it last time i redid my UI, but definetly need to make it again.
Thanks cracking read.......Made me smile :D
Thanks for the pics well worth coming.
Well dont actually know what to reply to this, im utterly speachless, in my many year working in a electronicstore, I didnt even experience coustomers act like this. And thats bad.
aipril (and shadowscream), I dont want to discuss inhere with you, and I dislike the way you brought this into the forums...... Very bad judgment.
Hope we see the end of the thread now.