Please pass this on. It only takes a minute. The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it.
The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver.
A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month.
On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit you can expect a NIP with your monthly bill.
If you care about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/ (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/)
Please pass this on to anyone who owns a car/motorcycle. It affects them.
It's already expensive to run a car, if it wasn't for this extra cost I wouldn't be as bothered. Both me and the wife need separate cars as we both work 25 miles from home in opposite directions. That's going to be expensive. :(
I got that email too i thought it was a joke..... :ranting2: ..and hope it will never come into practice!
If it done im leaving the country. I refuse to have an invasion of privacy such as this
Sounds nice, huh? geeking government people constantly peeking at you, making you pay more money, but always ready to find you if you get lost.. and only for a small fee each month.. woohoo..
Im glad we don't have that in Denmark.. We just pay more in taxes and the price on the cars are higher..
But if thats going to be done, I think Ill skip my plan of trying out living in the UK..
I'm actually a fan of road pricing... :tumbleweed:
Quote from: sheepy;172257If it done im leaving the country. I refuse to have an invasion of privacy such as this
So when are you moving to the NL? :flirty:
I hope this wont go through for you guys though...
Quote from: A Twig;172263I'm actually a fan of road pricing... :tumbleweed:
Im sorry? :blink:
No need to be sorry :wink:
I can see where Twig is coming from...
Take France(please), they have great roads and an excellent railway service.
Privately run road system (payage)
Publicly owned Rail network
:g:
btw I signed
Plus road pricing would keep all the pensioners off the road as they wouldn't be able to afford the extra cost, thus making the roads safer and less congested straight away.
Also the prices will vary at different times of day, at peak times it goes up, thus non-essential users will plan their journeys at off peak times, meaning commuters will get an easier ride to work with less congestion. As this will increase business productivity as less time will be spent on the road, I suspect businesses will pick up the part of the tab for a lot of their workers and they stand to gain.
Unfortunately you won't be able to fiddle your per mile expense account anymore, but thats a small price to pay for faster, easier and less congested transport. The money thats raised can go into actually giving us decent roads rather than potholed roller coasters that play havoc with your suspension, and driving might, just might become fun again, all few a few extra pence per mile.
I'd pay it...
Quote from: A Twig;172376Plus road pricing would keep all the pensioners off the road as they wouldn't be able to afford the extra cost, thus making the roads safer and less congested straight away.
Also the prices will vary at different times of day, at peak times it goes up, thus non-essential users will plan their journeys at off peak times, meaning commuters will get an easier ride to work with less congestion. As this will increase business productivity as less time will be spent on the road, I suspect businesses will pick up the part of the tab for a lot of their workers and they stand to gain.
Unfortunately you won't be able to fiddle your per mile expense account anymore, but thats a small price to pay for faster, easier and less congested transport. The money thats raised can go into actually giving us decent roads rather than potholed roller coasters that play havoc with your suspension, and driving might, just might become fun again, all few a few extra pence per mile.
Do you honestly believe that the revenue raised would go anywhere near improving the roads? :roflmao:
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I'm with aTwig on this. I can do over 40,000 miles for my job a year and I have wasted far to many hours on that damn M25:ranting2: . It has taken me over 9 hours to get to bath and back today:ranting2:. So the fewer people on the road the better and don't get me started on the school run:ranting2:
It looks like most people agree we can't build more roads. so what do all the pooh pooh'ers suggest:norty:
Quote from: Blunt;172291I can see where Twig is coming from...
Take France(please), they have great roads and an excellent railway service.
Privately run road system (payage)
Publicly owned Rail network
:g:
btw I signed
Which raises the question,
"How will foreign drivers be charged on UK roads?"
When we go abroad we go through the tolls and pay, no problem, but I'm pretty sure your Euro day-tripper won't be expected to fork out for a UK tracking device.
I signed when it hit my inbox before Christmas.
I have to admit I'm sort of with the pro charging group. Just leaving things alone is going to end in disaster. No one seems willing to leave their car at home through choice so someone is going to make that choice for them. We all go on enough about doing something about the sate of the roads and dealing with climate change. Well here we are. As mentioned before. If anyone has a better idea about how to sort the mess out then I'm all ears
One point i would like to say here is i do not believe in speeding. I have since passing my test stuck to the limits to make sure i kept my license. I am the person who makes traffic jams in urban area driving at 30mph and 70mph on motorways. Therefore in that respect i am for it as i am sick and tired of people who speed! However the tax would be helpful for those like me who hardly use the car as i am a student but one point i would like to mention is that i drive a small daewoo matiz. Yes it is efficient and cheap to go long distances but my road tax is in excess on £130 per year which is ridiculous for such a small motor car. I am not sure where i stand on this issue.
Quote from: Liberator;172416Which raises the question,
"How will foreign drivers be charged on UK roads?"
When we go abroad we go through the tolls and pay, no problem, but I'm pretty sure your Euro day-tripper won't be expected to fork out for a UK tracking device.
I signed when it hit my inbox before Christmas.
All the countries are starting to have tolls and such Lib.
Yesterday on the radio they said the Belgiums were planning on starting tolls and such also. If they do then I think they should do the exact same thing in the Netherlands.
@ Scott, dude, drive a tad faster m8. I allways drive 10km/h extra. Some people get on my nerves as they drive around 45 km/h where 50 is allowed. Live a little.
Speeding is quit allright if you know what you're doing. When I went to Italy on holiday I've tryed my car and it still could drive a nice 180 km/h.:woot2:
Its not the size of your car, it's the emissions. I have and Audi TDI and pay £110
Speeding is for those who think they are above the law. The limit is there for a reason and it's a limit not a target!!
Quote from: Armitage;172484Its not the size of your car, it's the emissions. I have and Audi TDI and pay £110
I have a Morris Minor and pay £000
:narnar:
Id love a morris minor.. But I think Id have to take out the backseats and stuff and take the front seats a bit back to make room for my legs :lmfao:
at 1.93 meter Im having some minor difficulties fitting into small cars like that:sideways:
Quote from: Nefertem;172514Id love a morris minor.. But I think Id have to take out the backseats and stuff and take the front seats a bit back to make room for my legs :lmfao:
at 1.93 meter Im having some minor difficulties fitting into small cars like that:sideways:
I know what you mean. 1 DuVeL = 2.00 meters...
Back on subject, if they could ensure that the fees went back into transport I'd be happy to pay it.
I drive every day, I could ride to the station - 4 miles and get the train straight to my office, and frankly it would be better for me, and I'd get to work on the train....(I think that's a good thing - means I don't have to work at home).
The whole transport system needs a kick in the teeth and it's about time somebody assisted people in making those decisions, as a previous poster said.
One Benny = 8 inches. Shhhh.......no replies required.
Quote from: Blunt;172504I have a Morris Minor and pay £000
:narnar:
yeah but you drive a Morris Minor :racing:
:console:
its only done on emmisions on new cars.
on the new type reg plates, old ones are still on the 1.5L rule
Quote from: BlueBall;172491Speeding is for those who think they are above the law.
Yay me!
Quote from: BlueBall;172491The limit is there for a reason and it's a limit not a target!!
I see it more as marker receding into the distance in my mirrors.
When the NSL is subverted by local authorities to 50, 40 and 30 limits for no other reason than revenue generation, then they can go whistle.
For people interested in a serious read about traffic safety you could try this site Safe Speed (http://www.safespeed.org.uk/)
There's a lot of stuff on the site and it's a little to heavy on maths and graphs for my liking but still makes for an interesting read. Their basic tenet is that stupid drivers who don't pay attention to what they are doing cause accidents, not simply people who exceed the posted speed limit. I'm personally OK with most of their argument. However I have a problem with anyone who exceeds the 30mph urban limit by any significant degree. Urban areas means children running about, and no matter how stupid they might be when it comes to road safety if I choose to put a car/motorbike/van etc. on the road I have a moral obligation to look out for them and drive slow enough that when they do run out in front of me I will either avoid them completely or hit them at a slow speed and not wipe them out. And I guess that goes for adults as well...maybe :g:
Well said Smilo.
Shouldn't the goverment be working harder on the causes of accedents...like drink driving? it seams like thats just a christmas issue...
i take it the cost will be lower on a motorbike?
the cost should be less than half for deliver drivers as we depend on them :sideways:
also theres other ways of keeping old people and bad drivers off the road:
compulsory tests every 5 years maybe?
Well it just seems we are in a Goverment Big Brother.
We have cameras everywere, we have microchips in our bins and now they making everyone eat healthy and forcing us to comply with more and more stupid ways to empty our pockets of all the money they can.
I for one is against this idea it is yet putting yet another controlling aspect on a country that i feel is going down the drain. We have so many issues in this country and it seems all they want to do is punish those tax payers and good citizens and making them pick up the slack on those people not paying for Road Tax.
If this goes ahead it would be like having a policeman in your back seat, if you speed it will record and send it back. I for one think the 70 MPH limit is a joke and with nowadays cars it should be increased.
They should track those down exploiting our laws and taking money they shouldnt have, expelling those people who are not ment to be here and last of all get rid of TONY BLAIR who is by far the worst thing that has happened to this country!
Quote from: Armitage;172401
It has taken me over 9 hours to get to bath and back today
You should have come said hi!
TBH as Smilo said, fairplay with the 3omph, but looking at modern cars, I know this is extreme, but a Maclaren F1 can stop from 100ish (I think) in the same distance as the highway code says you should from 30mph. I realise this is top notch, but with the advances in car tech, it is a bit of a joke. And also, when people drive faster they pay more attention to the road. Its when you're dawdling along that the brain switches off.
Quote from: A Twig;172864And also, when people drive faster they pay more attention to the road. Its when you're dawdling along that the brain switches off.
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Quote from: A Twig;172864And also, when people drive faster they pay more attention to the road. Its when you're dawdling along that the brain switches off.
Which is basically what the statistics on the Safe Speed site say. P Fast drivers actually seem to be safer than slow ones :g:
Quote from: A Twig;172864Its when you're dawdling along that the brain switches off.
oh yeah.. it aint the 1st time i start napping while driving lol...
you know, theylle soon start imposing laws on how many times can you use your loo per day, not to mention a loo that has Insert Coin on the top...
and ide say that they wont have the guts to impose this new law, or heads will roll
You've got a PM who hasn't got to worry about being re-elected, and a Labour Government arguably in its death throes, and thus not really too fussed about popularity measures.
I think it has every chance of going through...
Quote from: A Twig;173451You've got a PM who hasn't got to worry about being re-elected, and a Labour Government arguably in its death throes, and thus not really too fussed about popularity measures.
I think it has every chance of going through...
This will never get passed.
I will walk naked down my street if it does :norty: , and then very quickly emigrate to the US. :rolleyes:
Quote from: smilodon;172795However I have a problem with anyone who exceeds the 30mph urban limit by any significant degree. Urban areas means children running about, and no matter how stupid they might be when it comes to road safety if I choose to put a car/motorbike/van etc. on the road I have a moral obligation to look out for them and drive slow enough that when they do run out in front of me I will either avoid them completely or hit them at a slow speed and not wipe them out.
Pretty much how I feel to be honest. I generally drive at least 10mph above the limit, unless i'm in a build up urban area where there could well be kids and stuff running about. In such cases I stick to 30, or whatever the limit happens to be if it's above that.
Having almost been wiped out by idiots bombing past well over the limit and too close when I was cycling along, I have far more issue with people who just don't have due courtesy for other road users, particularly if they're bicycles, which are of course smaller, lighter etc etc.
If you're a cyclist in the NL and you get hit it's almost everytime the cars fault. Also when it's the cyclist fault. Over here they're overprotected.:ranting2:
As an example, Erik (King) once hit a scooter and were sure that guy was speeding as my bro never saw him untill it was to late. Result: it was my borthers fault even though the guy on the scooter was driving to fast.
Also when cyclist turn on the road without looking or such and drive infront of a car it's the cars fault.