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dMw Chit Chat => The Beer Bar => It's my Birthday! => Topic started by: SecretSquirrel on April 28, 2003, 08:09:08 PM

Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: SecretSquirrel on April 28, 2003, 08:09:08 PM
I keep getting emails sent from Tina(advert) about sucking dick fanny etc blah blah blah with pics. The thing is  - i have a difficult time explaining this crap to my daughter .
 Before you go down that street no i did not subscribe to this site or even go anywhere near it in the first place but they somehow got hold of my email address. I've tried email blocking but they're still coming through - about 3 times a week.

Has anyone got suggestions how i can stop them........its worth a pint at the Lan....thats a sacred promise on tina's life.
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: sheepy on April 28, 2003, 08:14:22 PM
what email do u have is it outlook based???? i used hotmail so i have the block domain option when blocking emails. if u can try that.
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: smite on April 28, 2003, 08:22:30 PM
I have been getting the same on msn you need to go to the site and unsubscribe, well on some u do some u dont get the option.
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: Benny on April 28, 2003, 08:51:56 PM
yep, my spam count has shot up lately 'n' all.
There is some programs that will stop it, I'll check tomorrow...
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on April 28, 2003, 09:11:17 PM
If you are running Outlook set up a rule to automatically move the email to the deleted items folder, you should also be able to set a rule to look for certain words and move any mails like that to the deleted folder. I know this doesn't stop them. BUT do not goto the site or reply with unsubscribe because all you are doing is confirming that its a valid email addy and the spammers just move it from one list to another when you do that. Alternatively set up a seperate user account for your daughter on your pc then she won't get to see the emails.
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on April 28, 2003, 09:19:31 PM
Another good tip when posting on forums that require an email address is to use something like instead of @ because the email addy harvesters don't recognise it as a valid address. Also if forwarding chain emails (please don't) use something like email stripper and just forward the content of the mail and not all the email addresses.
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: suicidal_monkey on April 28, 2003, 11:28:58 PM
the other thing is to open a free email account for anything you need to sign up for on the web. My hotmail and isp email addy's are currently almost free of spam, but my beer.com one is rife with it.
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: smilodon on April 29, 2003, 12:01:17 AM
//www.postmaster.co.uk is another good one.

SS if you PM the e-mail headers (all of them) I'll do what I can to unravel the source of the e-mails and maybe get them chucked off their ISP.
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: OldBloke on April 29, 2003, 09:32:06 AM
If you've got ISDN or above AND you use Outlook (not Express) then I recommend Spamnet (http://www.cloudmark.com).

This works by comparing your email with a database of known spam. When a match is found it moves the spam to a folder of your choice (I get it to mark the mail as read and move it to the deleted folder). Any spam left behind can be marked manually which will inturn update the Spamnet database (assuming enough other people mark it as well).

Their website says that they're working on an Outlook Express version.

HTH
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: smite on April 29, 2003, 11:39:51 AM
QuoteBUT do not goto the site or reply with unsubscribe because all you are doing is confirming that its a valid email addy and the spammers just move it from one list to another when you do that.

You lot spoil all my fun :D  :D

I will get you squirrel ....oh yes i will.....until next time :twisted:  :twisted:
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: SecretSquirrel on April 29, 2003, 07:26:25 PM
Quote
QuoteBUT do not goto the site or reply with unsubscribe because all you are doing is confirming that its a valid email addy and the spammers just move it from one list to another when you do that.

You lot spoil all my fun :D  :D

I will get you squirrel ....oh yes i will.....until next time :twisted:  :twisted:[/b]

Too late i did unsubscribe in my innocent wide eyed virginal outlook on life and then read all i was doing was confirming a live address.

Yes i'm using outlook & i had tried setting up a block rule but maybe need to experiment and try the partial name identifier i.e Tina.

Other wise i'll try your suggestion Oldie.

Thanx ppl - its amazing what a bit of bribery can do for human kindness - so its 1 pint between 9 of you...i might chuck in a packet of crisps as a retainer though. :D

BTW Tina 's a bit of go'er
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on April 29, 2003, 08:06:42 PM
Have taken Oldies advice and tried Spamnet, it works really well, but is only a 30 day trial after that its $4.99 a month. Does anyone have a copy of the beta 0.9 version which is free lifetime use?
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: TeaLeaf on April 29, 2003, 08:38:31 PM
I installed Spamnet today as well - it got a 100% record via my Exchange set up......  :D   In my book that makes it well worth the $4.99 per month.....

TL.  8)
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: JB on April 29, 2003, 09:20:11 PM
You can tell who the posh people are round here.    :wink:


Besides there's no way i'm opening an american bank account just so i can pay them $4.99.  Its English pounds or nothing !!1
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: OldBloke on April 29, 2003, 09:26:56 PM
Sorry Guys. Spamnet was totally free when I last looked.  :(
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: OldBloke on April 29, 2003, 09:35:18 PM
Is this a limited version?

http://fileforum.betanews.com/download.php...?fid=1028523410 (http://fileforum.betanews.com/download.php?fid=1028523410)
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: smilodon on April 30, 2003, 12:02:46 AM
You're never going to be able to filter the mail by sender as it's going to be spoofed and a different senders e-mail address used every time.
If it's a good spam trap you should be able to filter by more advanced criteria. You should also get one that deletes your mail from the server without actually wasting time downloading it. Deleted mail in Outlook Exress ends up in the deleted folder so you have to manually delete it again to get rid of it completely :-(

We'll get the buggers though  :twisted:
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: TeaLeaf on April 30, 2003, 08:58:58 AM
I thought the Spamnet idea was pretty good - and I have to say that day one's use of it on my machine gave it a 100% perfect record.  

Basing the spam criteria on message signatures is a good one, it doesn't matter so much what is spoofed as the 'bulk' bit of the message should allow the filter to pick it up and filter it.  Downloading it is not ideal, but then you lose control (and some emails) if you do not download to your machine first.

Using auto deletion from the server is only a good idea if you can absolutely positively guarantee that the emails it has picked out are really spam.  As I work in finance I get involved with investments, loans, etc so a lot of legitimate email could be auto-deleted.  What I like about Spamnet is that (a) it seems to work, (B) it allows me to scan through the headers to check that it has not picked out any legitimate emails and © it will actively learn from any corrections to its decisions that I make (by e.g. unblocking an email it had picked out as spam and thrown into my spam folder).

Yesterday it cleared out 22 emails for me  :D   Like SS and a few others on this forum, the level of spam I receive has jumped substantially over the past few weeks, so I am glad to have extra help.

The only concern is the price, but then £3 per month for a solution that actually works is good value in my book.  And as for the exchange rate, a credit card handles it with ease........

TL.  8)
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: smilodon on April 30, 2003, 07:29:51 PM
Fair points about possibly missing legit email if it is set to be binned from the server without downloading, but SS has the problem of his kids seeing it.

So mabey it's worth the risk?
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2003, 09:23:34 PM
I use Popcorn (http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/ (http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/))

it is a front end to a telnet session and you can have the whole thing on a floppy disk, stick it in a computer and run it to see YOUR email.

It lists the headers so you can select to delete the obviously dodgy stuff without having to view it. Additionally you can view the message but as the viewer only supports text there is a bonus - NO VIRUSES :-)
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: SecretSquirrel on April 30, 2003, 09:56:19 PM
QuoteIf you've got ISDN or above AND you use Outlook (not Express) then I recommend Spamnet (http://www.cloudmark.com).

This works by comparing your email with a database of known spam. When a match is found it moves the spam to a folder of your choice (I get it to mark the mail as read and move it to the deleted folder). Any spam left behind can be marked manually which will inturn update the Spamnet database (assuming enough other people mark it as well).

Their website says that they're working on an Outlook Express version.

HTH

Doh !! Just realized i have outlook express. Whats the diff between this and plain old outlook ? And can i change to outlook ? if so how ?... to get spamnet working
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: smilodon on April 30, 2003, 11:36:32 PM
Outlook is the commercial version of outlook express. It has more features like a calendar, task manager etc. It's a beast of a program, costs a fortune and is not really for home use. Outlook Express is the e-mail part of Outlook with a few bells and whistles removed. It handles mail filtering rules much the same as it's big brother so it's probably not worth upgrading for that.

I've found out where your spam in coming from "Virginia USA"  of all places

There's a PM waitng for you with some instructions on what to do next.

No guarantees but it may help.   :) Good luck
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: Dr Sadako on April 30, 2003, 11:37:31 PM
I am totally out of the loop ... but who/what is tina?
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: smilodon on April 30, 2003, 11:41:08 PM
You have to go back to the beginning of the thread but it appears Tina is very keen on letting SS watch her get it on with an assortment of farmyard animals. She's sooooo keen she's e-mail him every day offering to do the dirty deed with eeyore et al.  :(
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: Dr Sadako on April 30, 2003, 11:42:35 PM
Ah ...
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: SecretSquirrel on May 02, 2003, 03:17:27 PM
QuoteAh ...

I can put her incontact with you if you want :twisted:

She has a very nice personality.....so smite sez
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: JonnyAppleSeed on May 02, 2003, 03:24:03 PM
anyways SS did u get it sorted in the end ???????
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: SecretSquirrel on May 03, 2003, 01:49:44 PM
Quoteanyways SS did u get it sorted in the end ???????

I've just sent the email to Tina's isp which Smilodon tracked down with the relevant info informing them of the spammer - so i'll wait to see what happens.

I've also registered with Btopenworlds anti spammer group.However next day got another Tina Email so not sure how effective that is or maybe needs longer.
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: smilodon on May 03, 2003, 02:38:13 PM
The ISP will probably send you an automated response. Then you just have to wait and see hwat happens and if they are going to do anything about it?
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: SecretSquirrel on May 05, 2003, 01:32:59 PM
QuoteThe ISP will probably send you an automated response. Then you just have to wait and see hwat happens and if they are going to do anything about it?

got error message back today:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  abuse@nas-corp.com
    Connection timed out:
    retry timeout exceeded

So i've sent it again - see what happens
Title: I have a Problem with Tina
Post by: smilodon on May 05, 2003, 03:38:11 PM
Okey Dokey

Nas-corp.com was bought by nasop.com so the actual e-mail should be abuse@nasop.com. Sorry i gave you the wrong one.

However Nasop.com has gone bankrupt  8O and filed for Chapter 11 (Ch.11 is a US way of saying we're in the poo money wise).

A company called DSL.net has bought the Nas-corp bit of the business, but  the Nasop bit is still looking for a buyer, although they are still trading.

The mail is coming from a nas-corp registered domain so the liability for your spam my have passed to DSL.net, if they now look after the spammers account.

Then again the spammer may still be with Nasop?

 8O  With me so far?

So I'd redirect the mail to abuse@nasop.com.

If that leads nowhere send it to abuse@dsl.net but add a line saying you think they may not be responsible for the spam and that it's still Nasops rsponsibility, but could DSL.net advise you either way

See easy innit  :!: