Voretex asked me to join in on a quick Furnace run earlier today, I was tanking and he was doing kitty DPS. Together with us we also had a mage, a lock and a priest (all from Genesis btw - none that I knew from before though).
It was a fun run, we kept good speed (Vore was doing crazy pulls :rolleyes:), and we only wiped once (due to the priest got silenced during a big and unlucky pull (I blame Vore :narnar:)).
What was quite surprising though, was that at the end of the run when I took a look at my SWStats... I saw a result I didn't expect at all: the mage and the lock (respectively) came in 3rd and 4th on the dmg done list (look at my whispers, left center screen):
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I, as a tank (I was bear all the time), out DPSed both the casters (and actually I weren't far behind Vore either) :blink:
I just blame my (and my fellow dr00dz) über pwnage in feral :norty:
Nope, no way - I won't believe you if you try to suggest that the mage and lock just sucked, ain't gonna happen :flirty:
I love feral, can't say how happy I am that I decided to try it!
And sorry for the bragging, I'll move on now...
Like Vore said 'w t f was ... doing?' :narnar: .
Nah, just kidding. Druid tanks in 5 man dungeons do shitloads of damage due to swipe spam, 3 times 200+ damage every 1.5 seconds in addition to our 'normal' damage is unbeatable.
And Vore in Kitty, well that just unfair on the casters :narnar: . He got pretty nice gear iirc. Also energy > mana; mana can run out / low, if you were pulling as fast as you say the casters might have had problems were as the melee classes keep going strong without downtime.
droods are just to good.
GM ticket spam for nerfing them in a patch anyone?
Yeah the faster you pull the worse of the mage and warlock are on the damage.
I did a run with Sniped, Sandrion, Arkhon and Spiritus yesterday. Where we kept pulling through the whole of ramparts. 2 Runs done in little over 1hour and I topped the DPS with Sandrion Second not that far behind. But I would have been far in front of Sandrion if we were pulling 1target at a time and if we had stopped for mana for the mage and hunter they would have been infront of him also. A good qoute from that run was from Sniped "WTB mana bandages."
But in general i prefer a druid as a tank over a warrior. As a rogue i usually pull agro more easily with a warrior tank and as a pally i find it easier to heal the druid. Ofcourse a big part of this is the lack of prot spec warriors and the amount of feral druids but still i found it strange hearing it from vargen that some of the feral druids couldn't find PUG groups since noone wanted them. I have also found it strange that few people want to have rogues with them in instances and everyone seems to be looking for ranged DPS.
Well druids have always been great before they reach max level and they've always been the 'best' 5 man tanks as well (although not everyone likes to acknowledge that). No need to nerf Sheep, we're still basicly the same. It's just now that everyone starts to notice it. I remember trying to say that feral druids were very good and definately deserved a place in a raid group for a very long time; now everyone is screaming NERF! Can you believe it :lmfao: .
I do feel for the warriors who are having a hard time now, the new armor/damage reduction formulae and there lacking multitarget threat must be giving them major problems atm :sad: .
As for healing. Druids absorb damage with shedloads of armor and health, ensuring a steady flow of incoming damage; warriors on the other hand are more reliant on avoidance, making there incoming damage more spiky (which is more scary for a healer :narnar: ).
But I'm not surprised about PuG's refusing a druid tank (or a druid in any other role then healer). Over the last two years Blizzard did wat they could to make hybrids more competative, but community pre-judge will remain the biggest problem. I can imagine pallies and shammies have the same problem, eventhough there problems got resolved as well.
(Btw Drazila, +/- 5% of your and Sniped's damage belonged to me as well, because of my hot +5% crit aura :devil: ).
Sandrion no need to feel sorry for warriors, although you have alot of dmg reduction though your armor, warriors have block which in prot spec at lvl 60 meant i block about 265+ dmg each block and with 35%+ block that is quite alot of dmg blocked. Another thing we have in expansion is the spell reflect which is (ooohhhh you wanted to hit me with 3k shadowbolt, sorry but its reflected in your face!) awesome. So for tanking boss warriors is no 1 imo. It is easier for "lazy" druids to tank 3 targets compared to warriors since they can spam maul and swipe, however warriors can also tank 3 targets although it takes more effort to do it... Only way you can compare a feral drood to a warrrior is having the warrior in a prot spec as the feral spec is the droods prot spec also.
Imo im am even more happy to be a warrrior and will be prot spec warrior when raiding. :D
True, but block is calculated before damage reduction from armor, so it's effective reduction is much less then that. In contrast druids have a chance to heal 4% of their health every 6 seconds (280+HP @ lvl 60, procs every 8 secs on average in 5 man runs), which sort of balances this out. A warriors dodge + parry is also about the same as the amount of a druid dodge alone, because of the new 'agi -> dodge' formulae. The only substancial advantage the warrior has is defensive stance. Which is also the main reason why warriors take less magic damage, druids can't replicate this (fire ruins our fur :sad: ).
You're also right about swipe spam making it easy to hold multiple targets. Warriors must work harder to keep aggro on them. On the other hand, druids are limited to three abilities: maul, mangle and swipe. We also have problems with fears and stuns and have a harder time tanking mobs that nerf our damage and/or attack speed.
Overall a good prot warrior will naturally be better in a raid setting then a druid, maybe with the exception of hard hitting melee bosses. But I also see a place for pally tanks, who are far superior in tanking large crowds and have a lot of burst aggro because they don't need to build rage. It looks like every tank capable class now clearly has it's own speciality (warrior = single target and magic, druid = 3-4 targets and melee, pally = lots of targets and snap aggro).
I was feeling sorry for the warriors, because the game is balanced around level 70. Warriors aren't really designed for tanking 5 man runs; you can't do much more then demo shout to gather the mobs around you, thunder clap, tab-sunder them and hope they stay on you. If you got a multi-shot happy hunter in your group or people that attack different mobs, you'll have a really hard time. Also everyones DPS is increasing, warrior threat generation isn't. The armor nerf must have hit warriors and pallies pretty had too, druids went from +360% AC to +450% AC as compensation, but you guys got nothing. I'd be surprised if you have more then 45-50% DR atm.
welle measure eachother out after my tbc is in my hands bob :P
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