Post by Marduk on his behalf in the apps section.
Any suggestions?
what about thar char? another re-invite? maybe we shall get a date on that TS-meet. so we can deside all the invites there.. if we have a list of ppl that want back we should deside that together.. hope G got a plan. and we serious need a meet soon.
Isn't Werdina an alt of highly strung bad-tempered Wierd who left SOG in a flurry to help DA set up Redemption and then had a blow out argument with DA and left Redemption to set up Falle Ones?
Care.
TL.
hmmmm.. good point TL, tnx.
and thats why things get discussed.. and brought forward to a conclusion over time.
edit: didn't remember that.. tnx again for TL brain.. i wanna have a pick on it some day
I tried to dig a bit around on the forum, but I couldn't find too much really.
TL had some good points there, but at the same time both Marduk and Sheepy vouched for him... Not sure - perhaps we should save this one for the TS meeting?
Quote from: spiritus;183622tnx again for TL brain.. i wanna have a pick on it some day
You wouldn't even know how to use it :norty:
Tbh neither Marduk nor Sheepy had to deal with him at raid level. My experience of him when he was a Marshall was that he was perfectly fine to speak to, but then suddenly something would come up and he became totally unreasonable or irrational about it. Siffredi's comments about him were along the lines of 'hot head'. He was difficult to work with sometimes at SOG, he clearly had some difficulties working with people at Redemption, he had difficulties working with people at Falle Ones. There's a pattern there that's repeating.
TL.
Id also urge caution with this lad, allthough hes one of the few that left i can still have a decent conversation with, i am more then happy i dont have to deal with him on a raid managment level.
Hmm... I have grouped with him once recently (I think), but he was reasonable to play with. How is he? Ok player and not so ok leader kind? or does he just pi** off when things dont go the way he want it to go?
If he is the first, id say ok, let him in. Sheepey and Ducky vouched for him, that goes in his favor id say. But if TLs and Bastets experience says otherwise, id say hes not a wanted addition to SOG...
what shall we do about this guy?
hese got a real stained conduct it seems
Not really sure :g:
I'm not really the guy that likes to turn people down, especially when it is people that is wanted by somebody in the guild. But on the other hand, we don't wanna make ourselves unnecessary problems.
We could just have in mind that he wasn't too good to co-operate with when he was a Marshall, and just remember to never offer him any kind of officer-related rank?
Aye, ppl that know him in guild wants him back. Worst case scenario is that he gets booted after the 4 weeks.
Problem solved itselfs, he joined a new raiding guild, along with several other ppl i know off; Shia Hulud
same as halakaria then
good :)
Quote from: Bastet;186582Problem solved itselfs, he joined a new raiding guild, along with several other ppl i know off; Shia Hulud
And now the problem has "un-solved" itself again :sideways:
As you can see, he has submitted an application with our new form. From what I could see, he didn't bring any good "why yes" reasons to accept him. The fact that he didn't bother to wait for our reply (yes, I know we took our time, but I believe that if you really want to join somewhere because you like the place and the people, than you would be a bit more patient...), also isn't a positive sign
Also, I didn't really like what he ended his application with:
"And im never gone change back to Resto."...
Especially when you go somewhere for raiding, which is my impression of why he wants to join, you should be flexible and willing to sacrifice things for your guild and raid group.
Yes, I know you said the same about prot spec Gorion, but than again, you really proved that you were capable of change after all :flirty:
Feral druids only work well at a rate of about one on 30. Again, i dont fancy any of the lads that left just before SOG fell apart, and actualy, i think my last official act as GM was to kick wierd out of the guild. :norty:
He seams to be a good lad as long as you keep him far away from any possition of power though.
Not sure if my input on this is still valid, but he seams a bit too eager to move guilds lately, and given his history in SOG i am not at all sure it will be in SOG's best intrest to get him back in.
Despite the fact that I personally tend to agree with Bastet's comments, I chose to split this from the main application topic as I continue to believe it is inappropriate for any officer to post comments on applicants in the member section of the forum. Any posts should be in here so that you do not develop any prejudices of members by your own statements. In addition, we don't know who knows who so officer comments are safer left within the officer section.
Anyway, Wierd was as I recall from the same split personaility mould as Greatdanes. Quiet for the most part, but then loudly irrational and aggressive. So my own thoughts are to pass on this membership application as he was one of the main generators of the 'under currrent' that became Redemption. In addition, he deserves to be declined for comedy value alone - any GM that can set up his own break-away guild three weeks after forming a different break-away guild and then singularly fails to spell the guild name correctly deserves laughter, an amount of derision and no invite to SOG.
'Falle Ones' should have been 'Fallen Ones' but due to British humour and phonetics will always remain 'Phallic Ones' to me. You don't need pricks in the guild. :norty:
TL.
re the application, he /w me yesterday and i really wasnt in the mood to talk to him/her so i pointed to the application system
15 min later marduk /w telling me that if ide like to change to fury again theres werdina who can tank
i also found a mail from werdina, something about an invite.. must be the reply from those 2 letters ive sent :S
my memory is fuzzy about him, but wasnt wierd a trouble maker in some rg1 raids? and going afk without telling?
p.s @ bob, my spec change is temporary till sog gets on its feet again, once both me and nef get geared up, a dps ot should do fine
Wierd/Werdina stuff is split over two threads so I am merging them - rer-read the last dozen posts again plz.
TL.
I'm relatively surprised no further comments have been forthcoming in this thread. Did people miss it as a lot hav enot commented on the recent developments.
TL.
Werdina asked me in-game today how his application was going. I just told him it were some days left out in the Members' section before we could make a decision.
But tomorrow, the application has been out there for four days, so we need to get to some kind of agreement pretty soon. Would be nice to have some feedback from all the Officers on this matter.
As I've said before, I don't feel too convinced by him, but on the other hand, he mostly is a nice bloke as well. As he would go under the new initiate rule (no priority for raiding during initiation), I guess we would pretty fast see what his intentions of joining are at least - if he's here just for the raiding, or if he wants back for the people.
I think I'm mostly leaning towards a rejection, but not 100% sure :g:
personally, i wouldnt want him creating any trouble and ime not too fond of risks,
he wants back in for the raiding
whats been on my mind would be marduks reaction if hese declined, since hese always been very eager to support him
The Guild does not rest on Marduk's reaction. It's a dangerous road to go down if you try to keep people happy. Just do what you think is right for the guild, not for some particular individual.
TL.
Im leaning towards rejection myself, but when seeing the reactions posted in the application thread, i dont know if we can justify rejection to our members.
Sandrion is doing his share backing him up and filling in some required fields. I feel we have to accept his application based on the information at hand. I moved the application out from the public section, and into the WIP section for awaiting respons.
Have a looksee [thread=19698]here[/thread] if you cant find it :P
We cant think of every single one in the guild to make all of them happy. We are many people and that will never happen. It will always be someone we let down in one way or another.
I dont know him enough to make a stand, but from what I have read here, I wouldnt risk it inviting him back in the guild.
Think of whats best for the guilds interest even if it means letting a few people down.
I dont mean to harsh to anyone, and I mean no offence. Just be cautious.
From your own why say yes pollicy i dont see why to say yes in this case, known trouble maker is not something i would say yes too
The majority seems to have gone for a rejection, so I guess that is what it'll be?
We should provide him with an answer at least, so if nobody have any last thoughts, I'll send him a PM with the rejection tomorrow morning (although, somebody else feel free to do it as well, as I'm very likely to be a bit hangover tomorrow, so I won't be up that early :narnar:).
PM has been sent, and the application thread has been archived.
Lets hope we're done with this case now.
Thanks mate. Case closed then ;)